Viruses & Vaccinations

[notme]

3 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

l bet driving by a hay field must be 'murder'.

I do have hayfever, but the worst part is the skin reaction, which looks like other people when they get into poison ivy and itches and blisters just the same  I wear fully covering clothing including gloves whenever I work outside. I'm the lawn ninja. Sometimes I get it anyway, usually on my hands. Like right now. Ugh. 

It never would have occurred to me to hold anyone else liable. 

[AkhiraisReal]

10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Because they are rated "safe and effective"

And this mercury is going direct into your bloodstream, not like water that goes through the digestive system.

Edited June 6, 2020 by AkhiraisReal

[hasanhh]

3 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

And this mercury is going direct into your bloodstream,

Searching "mercury safe levels", l found at the top EPA guidelines 0.1micrograms per kg-bodyweight.

And in the old days, tooth fillings were a silver-mercury composition. People tasted silver during the day and at meals. So where are the mass health-effects?

"Human toxcity varies with the form of mercury, the dose and the rate of exposure."  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253456/ 

The mercury content of any vaccines ain't gonna poison U.

U look-up mercury in a can of tuna and compare with a vaccine.

[hasanhh]

Okay, all youz sophists. Here is an article from today's BBC about your popular voo doo doll, Bill Gates.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52833706 

Conspiracy theories: from out of the thin air by air-heads.

[AkhiraisReal]

4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Searching "mercury safe levels", l found at the top EPA guidelines 0.1micrograms per kg-bodyweight.

And in the old days, tooth fillings were a silver-mercury composition. People tasted silver during the day and at meals. So where are the mass health-effects?

"Human toxcity varies with the form of mercury, the dose and the rate of exposure."  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253456/ 

The mercury content of any vaccines ain't gonna poison U.

U look-up mercury in a can of tuna and compare with a vaccine.

Do you know the difference between getting it directly into your bloodstream compared to the mercury going through your digestive system?

drinking 100g of food oil isn't going to be lethal, however injecting 100g of food oil into your bloodstream could very well be.

[hasanhh]

32 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Do you know the difference between getting it directly into your bloodstream compared to the mercury going through your digestive system?

drinking 100g of food oil isn't going to be lethal, however injecting 100g of food oil into your bloodstream could very well be.

 Seriously, l think this is a wacko statement using extreme contrivances.

Unit 737 injected prisoners with soy milk and stuff, but normally this does not happen.

[AkhiraisReal]

2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

 Seriously, l think this is a wacko statement using extreme contrivances.

Unit 737 injected prisoners with soy milk and stuff, but normally this does not happen.

I am asking you a simple question.

Do you know the difference between food going through your digestive system and food being directly injected to your bloodstream.

Yes canned tuna has lots of mercury and eating it might not in the short term give you bad health effects. However if you would be to inject the mercury into your bloodstream, that would probably be very lethal.

Do you understand what I am trying to say?

Vaccines are not being eaten, they are directing injecting it to your bloodstream.

[hasanhh]

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Do you understand what I am trying to say?

Vaccines are not being eaten, they are directing injecting it to your bloodstream.

Well one, vaccines are injected into your tissue, not your veins.

As in the NIH article, it is which chemical compound of the mercury that determines the health risk.

[Haji 2003]

I can't find the right thread for this, so this will have to do for the time being:

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Did you know that Obama passed a bill requiring every tire be equipped with a GPS chip, so that you could be located in 5G networks? Trump hasn’t reversed this yet.

If you don’t want to be followed, you have to cut off the little antenna that sticks out.

 

[hasanhh]

^^^^^lt only takes ~1/2 Watt to reach a satellite.

Comparison: the human body in the thermal imagery range is a 1 Watt light bulb.

Edited June 7, 2020 by hasanhh
comparison

[AkhiraisReal]

17 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Well one, vaccines are injected into your tissue, not your veins.

 

you telling me it's not going to reach the bloodstream?

[hasanhh]

2 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

I can't find the right thread . . .

Snowden -Your Brain

lf you transfer it, move my subsequent comment too, please.

Edited June 7, 2020 by hasanhh

[hasanhh]

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

you telling me it's not going to reach the bloodstream?

No.

[Guest Curious]

On 6/7/2020 at 1:26 AM, hasanhh said:

Well one, vaccines are injected into your tissue, not your veins.

and which tissue are you referring to? thanks.

[AkhiraisReal]

1 hour ago, Guest Curious said:

and which tissue are you referring to? thanks.

He will say whatever he wants just to make his point. I am not saying that he's wrong about vaccines being injected into tissues, however his conclusion is entirely wrong.

You can't compare mercury in vaccine to mercury in food.

[justAnothermuslim]

After a prolonged tug of war with officials at the CDC, they acknowledged in Federal Court that CDC has no scientific basis for claiming, as it does on its website, and in public declarations, that “vaccines do not cause autism.”

The Emperor has no clothes. The basis for the incessant, widely made claims that “vaccines are safe and effective; vaccines do not cause autism” has no basis in science — There is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

This acknowledgement provides added confirmation to the acknowledgement in December 2019, by a consortium of highest level international vaccine authorities. They acknowledged the lack of vaccine safety science.

https://ahrp.org/cdc-conceded-in-federal-court-it-has-no-scientific-studies-to-support-its-claim-that-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

 

[AkhiraisReal]

@justAnothermuslim  the power of lobbying. the word itself is very close to the word lying

[justAnothermuslim]

12 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

@justAnothermuslim  the power of lobbying. the word itself is very close to the word lying

i do agree.

what do you think about this video: Any truth with it? i'm still searching the opposing view to it.

https://www.brighteon.com/90a12f14-e560-4199-b93e-a677c67ec4e6

Here’s the full transcript of this video segment:

Apolline de Malherbe (French broadcaster):  But it’s hard to understand why scientists would voluntarily give bias to studies

Dr. Philippe Douste-Blazy: Exactly! That’s the great question. That the great question we are all asking ourselves, finally, and you know those Chatham House lectures in London.

Apolline de Malherbe: Remind us what is this all about? This is extremely interesting.

Dr. Philippe Douste-Blazy: These are meetings that are completely behind closed doors, only with experts. No one can record, no one is taking any pictures. It’s only between experts.

Apolline de Malherbe:  Top secret.

 Dr. Philippe Douste-Blazy: Top secret. But still. there was a meeting the other day, of the directors of scientific journals, like The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine…

Apolline de Malherbe: The Lancet, which is that journal which published this study we are talking about…

Dr. Philippe Douste-Blazy: These are extraordinary journals. When it’s written in Lancet, it’s “written in Lancet”. So that’s why… Here, we’re talking about something very important this discussion that happened. And it ended up leaked: The Lancet’s boss, Horton, said: “Now we are not going to be able to, basically, if this continues, publish any more clinical research data, because the pharmaceutical companies are so financially powerful today and are able to use such methodologies, as to have us accept papers which are apparently methodologically perfect but which, in reality, manage to conclude what they want to conclude… This is very, very serious!

Apolline de Malherbe: But what you are telling us is very serious! That would mean that it is the pharmaceutical companies that are putting pressure on, including financial pressure, I guess on the scientific results! But you understand, who can we trust anymore today?

Dr. Philippe Douste-Blazy: Indeed, that’s why I allow myself to tell you about it, because it is one of the greatest subjects… never anyone could have believed. I have been doing research for 20 years in my life. I never thought the boss of The Lancet could say that and the boss of the New England Journal of Medicine too. He even said it was “criminal”, the word was used by them. That is, if you will, when there is an outbreak like the COVID, in reality, there are people… us, we see ‘mortality’, when you are a doctor or yourself, you see ‘suffering’. And there are people who see ‘dollars’, that’s it.

 

 

 

[AkhiraisReal]

@justAnothermuslim

not sure what to think about it. But I wouldn't be suprised.

[justAnothermuslim]

16 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

@justAnothermuslim

not sure what to think about it. But I wouldn't be suprised.

Some are coincidence theorists. Some are conspiracy theorists. i guess i like to be in the middle ground.

i believe, let those who like, believe and let those who like, disbelieve. The world will be a lot more peaceful.

[AkhiraisReal]

 

[AkhiraisReal]

@starlight

I would appreciate if you could explain this reply on my previous thread that was locked before I could even answer it.

"It's evident you don't even have a basic knowledge of immunization and how vaccines work yet you start thread after thread against it. 

Here are the threads you have started in the last six months on Immunization."

What makes you think I don't have basic knowledge of ummunization and how vaccines work? Is it because I am doing some critical thinking? Is it because I am questioning the validity of the research being done? Is it because I am questioning whether the vaccines are really needed or not?

I am not even a medical student or medical practionioner, however if I remember correctly you are. Yet you didn't seem to know about vaccine shedding. Which is basic knowledge.

If I am not mistaken depending on which country, it even says so in the "patient information leaflet" for example in the measle vaccine.

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by AkhiraisReal

[Gaius I. Caesar]

On 6/11/2020 at 6:28 AM, AkhiraisReal said:

@justAnothermuslim  the power of lobbying. the word itself is very close to the word lying

If so, then anti-vaccination lobbies are also liars. You did mention earlier that you are against deception, yet if lobbying is also deception, then how you do justify accepting anti vaccine lobbies?

3 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I am not even a medical student or medical practionioner, however if I remember correctly you are. Yet you didn't seem to know about vaccine shedding. Which is basic knowledge.

Then what is the purpose of these threads? If you have insufficient knowledge on medical areas, why or how would you feel qualified in knowing what exactly is in vaccines or how they function?

As for viral shedding, there has never been an outbreak of a vaccine strain virus (e.g. Measles, rubella or mumps) The "wild" forms of these viruses  are far stronger than the deactivated ones in the vaccines.  Please reconsider your views.

[starlight]

4 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Yet you didn't seem to know about vaccine shedding. Which is basic knowledge.

How do you know this? I am not going to give you an immunology crash course here and teach you about primary and secondary immune response, memory cells, classes of antibodies, virulence and various routes of transmission of viruses. I would have said something about these things but since the only thing you do is copy/paste I decided not to waste my time. 

4 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I am not even a medical student or medical practionioner

Yet you go on advocating something which might be misleading and potentially life threatening?

[AkhiraisReal]

 

1 hour ago, starlight said:

 but since the only thing you do is copy/paste

whats wrong with copy/paste? It's not like there are some extraordinary claims. Besides, I always have the source with me of what's being copy/pasted. Why would I bother spend time on writing an essay when someone already have done that more eloquently, as long as I include the source.

 

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

If so, then anti-vaccination lobbies are also liars. You did mention earlier that you are against deception, yet if lobbying is also deception, then how you do justify accepting anti vaccine lobbies?

I never said I accept anti vaccine lobbies. I am against deception yes, whether it's for  or against vaccination.

 

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Then what is the purpose of these threads? If you have insufficient knowledge on medical areas, why or how would you feel qualified in knowing what exactly is in vaccines or how they function?

You don't need to be a medical student or practitioner to know about the safety of vaccines and whether you should take them or not. If you are unsure, you can ask those who have more knowledge about it, but make sure it's someone who is nonbiased and have enough expertise and knowledge in that field. Doesn't have to be a doctor or nurse. For example, some microbiologists knows a lot more than those giving the shots.

I wouldn't go and ask a Tesla salemans why a Tesla car is better than a Ford. The same reason I don't only ask a doctor why I should take the vaccine and the safety of it. Both are salesman. Therefore I ask all involved and make my own choice which every human being has right to.

1 hour ago, starlight said:

How do you know this? I am not going to give you an immunology crash course here and teach you about primary and secondary immune response, memory cells, classes of antibodies, virulence and various routes of transmission of viruses.

Then why do you ask me questions you already know?

 

1 hour ago, starlight said:

Yet you go on advocating something which might be misleading and potentially life threatening?

Taking vaccine can also be life threatening and lead to serious life long injuries. Why are we only talking about those who get seriously sick and potentially died from polio or measles outbreak, but we never talk about those who got serious life threatening injuries, paralysis, autoimmune diseases and even death from taking vaccine shots? Why are these numbers being hidden and non discussed.

from 1989-2020 over 4billion usd has been paid out to those who suffered adverse reactions or death from vaccines. Just from 2010-2020 over 2billion usd was paid out. With several thousands claims being dismissed.

https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf

https://www.salon.com/2018/12/23/federal-vaccine-court-quietyly-pays-out-billins_partner/

Why are we not hearing about this? and how many have not made claims not knowing that what they are affected with are caused by the vaccine itself.

 

Edited June 22, 2020 by AkhiraisReal

[starlight]

43 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

whats wrong with copy/paste?

Go ahead but keep it to one thread. 

[Son of Placid]

My problem with a vaccine is they are going to make it mandatory. JT has already said he wants to stick all the kids.
Bill Gates is thick into his patents on viruses and vaccines, he wants everybody to get it.

What's in a mandatory vaccine? Doesn't matter.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

2 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

You don't need to be a medical student or practitioner to know about the safety of vaccines and whether you should take them or not. If you are unsure, you can ask those who have more knowledge about it, but make sure it's someone who is nonbiased

Right, that someone would be a doctor. Most doctors that I know are very knowledgeable experts in their field of work and would advocate getting vaccinated. Yet, you're saying that they are biased and part of a conspiracy. This is being deceptive and a very dangerous thing to say right now, especially since we're in a pandemic. 

Also, simply knowing the safety of a vaccine does not make me an expert in vaccine research or immunology. It makes me well informed but it's not a substitute for medical school. Likewise, a microbiologist might be able to help me understand how viruses function and interact with microbiology but he or she still lacks the medical expertise. 

2 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Why are we not hearing about this? and how many have not made claims not knowing that what they are affected with are caused by the vaccine itself.

Probably because vaccine related injuries are really rare, but I looked up vaccine injuries and found this:

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Just 33 people had a serious, potentially life-threatening allergic reaction -- also known as anaphylaxis -- out of 25 million vaccines given, according to research from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That's 1.3 people in every million who gets a vaccine.

"Vaccination is one of the best ways parents can protect infants, children and teens from 16 potentially harmful diseases. This is a good time to remind parents that vaccines are safe and effective -- the odds of having an anaphylaxis-related reaction following the administration of a vaccine are very slim," said study author Dr. Michael McNeil, of the CDC

https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20151015/vaccines-rarely-cause-life-threatening-allergic-reactions-cdc 

Here's the link if you're interested in reading more. 

 Only thirty three out of twenty-five  million people suffered from anaphylaxis after getting a vaccine. That is a staggeringly small number, where are the huge vaccine related outbreaks you speak of?

In fact, over a twelve year period, in the hrsa.gov link you shared, of 7,244 cases adjudicated by the Supreme  Court, 5,049 were compensated. I don't see any sign of a cover up and the numbers seem consistent to me.

[AkhiraisReal]

30 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

 Only thirty three out of twenty-five  million people suffered from anaphylaxis after getting a vaccine. That is a staggeringly small number, where are the huge vaccine related outbreaks you speak of?

In fact, over a twelve year period, in the hrsa.gov link you shared, of 7,244 cases adjudicated by the Supreme  Court, 5,049 were compensated. I don't see any sign of a cover up and the numbers seem consistent to me.

Yes that's correct. But the question is, how many claims are being dismissed? how many are not being reported? It's not easy to make a claim against a billion dollar company you know.

Besides most parents are not very well informed other than what their doctors have told them.

To say that 1 out of 1 million suffered from injury is ridiculous. How many cases are not being reported? and what type of claims can be made? for example, if a child gets autism, can the parents make a claim, even though there is research both for and against that certain vaccines cause autism? What about other side effects that are caused by vaccines but are unclaimable, or ignorant parents that don't know the cause of it. And how many cases are negotiated outside the court? What else don't we know?

1 in 1 million, that must be the holy grail of all matter. Those odds can't even be found in ordinary water or food.

 

 

[Haji 2003]

 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

42 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Besides most parents are not very well informed other than what their doctors have told them.

And how did you personally come this conclusion? Are you a parent yourself? You already said that you are not a medical student or a practitioner  and yet somehow you know more about vaccines than the doctors. 

 

42 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Yes that's correct. But the question is, how many claims are being dismissed?

2,195 claims were dismissed, because  the Court said claimant didn't or couldn't demonstrate their injuries as caused by the vaccines, didn't meet statutory requirements and/or the plaintiff withdrew their claim. 3,558 of  the 7,244 cases were compensable settlements. From 2006 to 2018, a grand total of 3,761,744,351 doses were distributed. The 7, 244 cases were ultimately less than 0.0001 of the doses given from 2006 to 2018. 

People aren't dying in droves from vaccines, nor is there any evidence of an outbreak from vaccines in that time period. It's extremely rare to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations.

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

How many cases are not being reported? and what type of claims can be made? for example, if a child gets autism, can the parents make a claim, even though there is research both for and against that certain vaccines cause autism?

Didn't Notme tell you earlier that the study on vaccines causing autism was flawed and misleading? 

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

1 in 1 million, that must be the holy grail of all matter. Those odds can't even be found in ordinary water or food.

Those are also the odds to a person winning the lottery or flipping a coin on Tails 20 times consecutively. It's not unheard of.

 

[AkhiraisReal]

12 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

And how did you personally come this conclusion? Are you a parent yourself? You already said that you are not a medical student or a practitioner  and yet somehow you know more about vaccines than the doctors. 

By observing the parents that run to get all their kids vaccinated without even knowing whats inside as long as a man or woman in white coat tells them it's good for their health. That's ignorance and slave mentality.

12 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

2,195 claims were dismissed, because  the Court said claimant didn't or couldn't demonstrate their injuries as caused by the vaccines, didn't meet statutory requirements and/or the plaintiff withdrew their claim. 3,558 of  the 7,244 cases were compensable settlements. From 2006 to 2018, a grand total of 3,761,744,351 doses were distributed. The 7, 244 cases were ultimately less than 0.0001 of the doses given from 2006 to 2018. 

I don't deny those numbers, what I am saying is that there is a lot that we don't know about when you go against such huge corporations. You think all their affairs are going to be public?

Once again, 1 in 1000 000 is ridiculously low and I highly doubt that those are the true numbers. And as I said before, you can't even find those odds in regular food and water.

12 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Didn't Notme tell you earlier that the study on vaccines causing autism was flawed and misleading? 

What makes her a scientist? there are studies that show that vaccine does cause autism. There are also studies that show vaccines don't cause autism. Which one do we believe? Both can't be right. And both could very well be flawed and misleading.

 

 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

54 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

There are also studies that show vaccines don't cause autism. Which one do we believe? Both can't be right. And both could very well be flawed and misleading.

She said that her sons exhibited symptoms before they got their shots.

Well, going by the stats in the link you gave, it's safe to say that vaccines don't cause autism and rarely do they cause allergic reactions or death. People are more likely to get struck by lightning or hit by a car.

54 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I don't deny those numbers, what I am saying is that there is a lot that we don't know about when you go against such huge corporations. You think all their affairs are going to be public?

So if there is very little transparency, do you think it would be wise for people to assume that there is a conspiracy?

54 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

By observing the parents that run to get all their kids vaccinated without even knowing whats inside as long as a man or woman in white coat tells them it's good for their health. That's ignorance and slave mentality.

Kind of like believing in random conspiracies on the Internet and insisting that they are true, despite evidence that they are not. I remember when you were posting that offensive nonsense about Sandy Hook.

No offense, but you come off to me as somebody is easily  influenced and frightened and tend to read deeply into things that little or no connection to each other. Not everything you read or see is true on YouTube, there are some sick people who are willing to lie or exaggerate to give themselves a sense of importance or self-worth.

As the Qur'an says: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ - 49:6

O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.

^ So far, every anti vaccine activist that I read about or heard of, has one thing in common, they seem  have absolutely no experience as a doctor or a medical student. How could you believe for  example, that an English or a finance major would more know about the human body than people with medical education, experience and careers in healthcare? I don't understand your persistence in this belief, brother.

[AkhiraisReal]

44 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

She said that her sons exhibited symptoms before they got their shots.

she said before mmr vaccine. Other vaccines could very well have caused it as well.

 

44 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

do you think it would be wise for people to assume that there is a conspiracy?

shaytan and his army conspire everyday every second, so why not? why can't the vaccination program be part of it?

 

44 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

 I remember when you were posting that offensive nonsense about Sandy Hook.

No it was not nonsense. If you believe so, then so it be. I can't recall what I posted, since some got deleted. Was it about the father that was going to hold a speech and prepared himself with crocodile tears right after having a big laugh and smile?

 

44 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

No offense, but you come off to me as somebody is easily  influenced and frightened

No, I don't fear anyone or anything but Allah.

 

44 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

there are some sick people who are willing to lie or exaggerate to give themselves a sense of importance or self-worth.

Yes this is very true. But not always the case. There are also those who mix truth with falsehood.

 

44 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.

Are we investigating though?

 

44 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

How could you believe for  example, that an English or a finance major would more know about the human body than people with medical education, experience and careers in healthcare? I don't understand your persistence in this belief, brother.

I never said this. But this could still hold true even though very rare.

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[AkhiraisReal]

 

 

Edited June 22, 2020 by AkhiraisReal