Viruses & Vaccinations

[Muhammed Ali]

On 3/23/2020 at 2:14 PM, 313 Seeker said:

As I told you earlier: in Islam we believe that Satan and his minions conspire all the time. Also the closer we reach too the end times the more the conspiracies will be.

What if Islam is a conspiracy? 

[AkhiraisReal]

2 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

What if Islam is a conspiracy? 

Islam is with the truth and has always been

[Muhammed Ali]

Just now, AkhiraisReal said:

Islam is with the truth and has always been

Prove it. Prove to us that your beliefs were not written by the conspirators. Maybe all that you believe is fake. A group of people may have gotten together and rewrote all the Islamic texts and removed all evidence of the real texts. And you can't use those same texts to justify your beliefs in them. If they can hide the shape of the Earth then they can change Islam completely with no trace of the authentic.

Take this challenge seriously because you people are selective with what you think they did. They somehow have the power to change vast amounts of things but left your particular websites, books and persons alone.

[Allah Seeker]

6 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

What if Islam is a conspiracy? 

Good one! Nothing passes me by without me asking that question. I must have asked myself if my parents are satanic at least a hundred times (and my parents are great MashaAllah). I'm like that. That's just me. And Islam for me is the benchmark of what has stood the test. The truth and proof defined for me. As much as a human can be sure, I'm sure of God and hence the need to surrender.

[AkhiraisReal]

49 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Prove it. Prove to us that your beliefs were not written by the conspirators. Maybe all that you believe is fake. A group of people may have gotten together and rewrote all the Islamic texts and removed all evidence of the real texts. And you can't use those same texts to justify your beliefs in them. If they can hide the shape of the Earth then they can change Islam completely with no trace of the authentic.

Take this challenge seriously because you people are selective with what you think they did. They somehow have the power to change vast amounts of things but left your particular websites, books and persons alone.

please brother we can have this discussion in another topic if you want to create one. However this topic is about vaccinations.

http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate

[Muhammed Ali]

10 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Good one! Nothing passes me by without me asking that question. I must have asked myself if my parents are satanic at least a hundred times (and my parents are great MashaAllah). I'm like that. That's just me. And Islam for me is the benchmark of what has stood the test. The truth and proof defined for me. As much as a human can be sure, I'm sure of God and hence the need to surrender.

Write your proofs for Islam here if you can please.

A true skeptic does not just ask themselves if everything is satanic. That is being close-minded. A true skeptic says "I don't know anything" . A true skeptic even questions if their approach to gaining knowledge is sound. They ask themselves "How do I know what is true?". "What if I am approaching this the wrong way?". Epistemology is one of the most important subjects in philosophy. 

A true skeptic would not ask themselves if their parents are satanic. They would ask themselves if Satan even exists. And it is really unfair to approach things so negatively; why not start with "Are my parents angelic?".

Edited April 12, 2020 by Muhammed Ali

[Allah Seeker]

3 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Write your proofs for Islam here if you can please.

A true skeptic does not just ask themselves if everything is satanic. That is being close-minded. A true skeptic says "I don't know anything" . A true skeptic even questions if their approach to gaining knowledge is sound. They ask themselves "How do I know what is true?". "What if I am approaching this the wrong way?". Epistemology is one of the most important subjects in philosophy. 

A true skeptic would not ask themselves if their parents are satanic. They would ask themselves if Satan even exists. And it is really unfair to approach things so negatively why not start with "Are my parents angelic?".

I think I agree with brother @AkhiraisReal and suggest we take this discussion elsewhere.

[Muhammed Ali]

8 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

I think I agree with brother @AkhiraisReal and suggest we take this discussion elsewhere.

I think it would cause harm. And I often become very busy with work and can't complete discussions. So I will leave you to continue your discussion about vaccinations.

I too have concerns about some of the haraam ingredients used in (at least) some vaccines, but I don't think an ultra powerful secret society is doing this. In Islamic texts there is no evidence of such things. The texts say the enemies plan, but don't say what you believe in. You take it to a level that is not supported by Islam.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Muhammed Ali

[Allah Seeker]

7 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

I think it would cause harm. And I often become very busy with work and can't complete discussions. So I will leave you to continue your discussion about vaccinations.

I too have concerns about some of the haraam ingredients used in (at least) some vaccines, but I don't think an ultra powerful secret society is doing this. In Islamic texts there is no evidence of such things. The texts say the enemies plan, but doesn't say what you believe in. You take it to a level that is not supported by Islam.

Ok, I was looking forward to answering your challenging questions, so if you want to continue, then let us know. 

I don't trust the vaccines business one bit and feel it's all wrong from A to Z. I hate it and don't believe in it. But I can't prove it definitely. So am trying to be patient until the truth comes out hopefully sooner rather than later. In Sha Allah

[Muhammed Ali]

21 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Ok, I was looking forward to answering your challenging questions, so if you want to continue, then let us know. 

I don't trust the vaccines business one bit and feel it's all wrong from A to Z. I hate it and don't believe in it. But I can't prove it definitely. So am trying to be patient until the truth comes out hopefully sooner rather than later. In Sha Allah

If you don't mind, I would rather leave it. You are free to open a thread with your views and I will gladly read it, but I wouldn't be able to engage in a discussion. I still owe a lot of people replies on this forum.

In regards to vaccines and similar things: We know that evil people are more power-seeking than the good. Even if they do not actively conspire or belong to any group, we should not be surprised that they do bad things. Satan does not even need to make people think that they work for him. He can put ideas in their minds. Whether it is vaccine ingredients, the over use of mental illness medication or slave labour - every area of life has evil people doing evil things.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Muhammed Ali

[Hameedeh]

Covid-19 is a dangerous virus that needs to be taken seriously. If you survive this pandemic (maybe your country is not so much affected yet), and we all pray that we do survive, life has changed or will change for us and for you.

When a vaccine becomes available, you and anyone living with you can refuse to get it, but remember that when the vaccine is ready (unless the Zuhoor happens first), companies will be allowed to refuse to hire you or your child(ren) will be refused enrollment at schools, colleges or universities. Okay, make all education online. You still have to consider that your refusal to get a vaccine will make you susceptible to Covid-19, a killer virus.

[AkhiraisReal]

15 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

companies will be allowed to refuse to hire you or your child(ren) will be refused enrollment at schools, colleges or universities. Okay, make all education online. You still have to consider that your refusal to get a vaccine will make you susceptible to Covid-19, a killer virus.

There won't be long before we see forced medication taking place. It's actually already started with the food and water. Soon it's going to be world wide with vaccines.

Getting the vaccine could also kill you or make you paralyzed or leave you with other diseases. The chance of dying from Covid-19 is less than the damage left from vaccine which is damage for life at worst.

http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate

Now I ask, how much of the numbers are made up? covered up? does science always tell the truth? is there monetary incentive behind this?

[Allah Seeker]

I just want to share that starting from the 80's this law was put into place:

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42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22.Standards of responsibility : (1)No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.

Look how mean this one is:

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No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, solely due to the manufacturer’s failure to provide direct warnings to the injured party (or the injured party’s legal representative) of the potential dangers resulting from the administration of the vaccine manufactured by the manufacturer.

These people can not be held accountable for anything, and the highest fine they can get it 200,000$ in this "Vaccine Court" that is not part of the legal system, but under the Health department in the US.

It is worth considering what this Doctor said, and I got these laws after fact checking one of his claims. He has many other claims that are worth fact checking, like that all the 30 recommended Vaccines for our kids, that are being forced upon us, have neither been scientifically tested, or verified. They are based on outdated Immunological paradigms.

If anybody watches this Video, I would be more than interested to hear their opinion about this respected health worker who is running for office in the US.

Edited April 14, 2020 by Hameedeh
Tag removed.

[Allah Seeker]

9 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

If anybody watches this Video, I would be more than interested to hear their opinion about this respected health worker who is running for office in the US.

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DR. SHIVA AYYADURAI

Ayyadurai holds four degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), including a Ph.D. in biological engineering, and is a Fulbright grant recipient.[9] He garnered 3.4% of the vote as an independent candidate in the 2018 United States Senate election in Massachusetts and is running as a Republican in the 2020 U.S. Senate election in Massachusetts.

Edited April 14, 2020 by Hameedeh
Excessively long quote was shortened in length.

[hasanhh]

https://www.businessinsider.com/french-scientists-using-measles-vaccine-against-covid-19-2020-4

2 minute read

A general info article despite its title.

[Haji 2003]

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The coronavirus pandemic may be prompting some anti-vaxxers to question their views, experts say, but others are doubling down – and vaccine hesitancy, amplified by some celebrities, could seriously undermine a future inoculation programme.

Larson said that after analysing more than 3m social media posts a day between January and March, she was confident the vast majority of people were “eager for a coronavirus vaccine, and as soon as possible”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/anti-vaccination-community-divided-how-respond-to-coronavirus-pandemic

[AkhiraisReal]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/490361-hospitals-threatening-to-fire-workers-for-speaking-out-about

Hospitals threatening to fire workers for speaking out about coronavirus shortages: report

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus

NHS staff forbidden from speaking out publicly about coronavirus

[hasanhh]

Written about in medical science literature since at least February, SARS-CoV-2 is another coronavirus that attacks via ACE2 -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2 

[Brother Hassan]

On 4/14/2020 at 6:51 AM, 313 Seeker said:

DR. SHIVA AYYADURAI

Ayyadurai holds four degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), including a Ph.D. in biological engineering, and is a Fulbright grant recipient.[9] He garnered 3.4% of the vote as an independent candidate in the 2018 United States Senate election in Massachusetts and is running as a Republican in the 2020 U.S. Senate election in Massachusetts.

He's not a medical doctor. Meaning he doesn't see or treat patients. 

Also, he's a strange conspiracy theorist who claims he invented e-mail. 

[Allah Seeker]

40 minutes ago, Brother Hassan said:

He's not a medical doctor. Meaning he doesn't see or treat patients. 

Also, he's a strange conspiracy theorist who claims he invented e-mail. 

interesting 

[hasanhh]

Vaccine Trials start Thursday the 23rd. Those involved:

Biontech, Mainz, Germany

Oxford and London in UK

[Haji 2003]

13 hours ago, Brother Hassan said:

He's not a medical doctor. Meaning he doesn't see or treat patients.

What I find particularly irritating about him is that his speeches are like those of the typical cheap quack salesman (or those websites that want to sell you dodgy stuff) i.e. he spends ages on the background and building up the anticipation before he actually gets to the point.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Shiva-Ayyadurai-didnt-invent-email-but-instead-he-created-EMAIL-an-electronic-mail-system-implemented-at-the-University-of-Medicine-and-Dentistry-in-Newark-New-Jersey

[hasanhh]

OMG Trump 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 

Disinfectant as Treatment ?

[hasanhh]

First vaccine trials in UK:  https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52394485 

[AkhiraisReal]

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by AkhiraisReal

[hasanhh]

@AkhiraisReal 

Do you know how much aluminium is contaminating bodies? Cola cans, pie pans, foils, . . .

and l am worried about a trace of it in a vaccine?

[Allah Seeker]

 

[Hameedeh]

On 4/13/2020 at 10:14 PM, AkhiraisReal said:

Getting the vaccine could also kill you or make you paralyzed or leave you with other diseases. 

If you want to refuse to get a vaccination,  nobody will stop you, because many others will rush to get the limited amount of vaccine. The vaccine hasn't become available yet and you are worried about it? 

On 4/13/2020 at 10:14 PM, AkhiraisReal said:

There won't be long before we see forced medication taking place. 

Nobody will force you to take medication. People can't get medication they need and want to take. 

[AkhiraisReal]

1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

@AkhiraisReal 

Do you know how much aluminium is contaminating bodies? Cola cans, pie pans, foils, . . .

and l am worried about a trace of it in a vaccine?

Injecting yourself is not the same as taking it orally. Did you watch the video?

31 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

If you want to refuse to get a vaccination,  nobody will stop you, because many others will rush to get the limited amount of vaccine. The vaccine hasn't become available yet and you are worried about it? 

Nobody will force you to take medication. People can't get medication they need and want to take. 

I am not talking about a specific vaccine. I am talking about all of them.

"Vaccines are pharmaceutical products. Like all pharmaceutical products, vaccines carry with them risks that can be greater for some than others. Vaccines can cause a reaction that resolves without injury or the reaction can lead to permanent disability or even death. Also, sometimes vaccines fail to protect or only protect against an infectious disease for a short period of time.

As more vaccines have been recommended and mandated by government health officials, NVIC is receiving more reports from Americans describing how they are being harassed for trying to make informed vaccine choices for themselves and their children:

• Children are being denied a public education if their parents do not show state officials proof they have received all state mandated vaccines or have obtained a signature from a medical worker when they file a religious of personal belief exemption to vaccination;
• Doctors are refusing to provide medical care to children and adults who do not agree to get every government recommended vaccine;
• Health care workers are being fired if they do not get an annual flu shot."

https://www.nvic.org/reporting-systems.aspx

Did you watch the videos I posted in this thread? did you check the links?

 

 

You all are already forced to take medications. Check your tap water, it probably contains added flouride. That's forced medication, and that's also why certain countries have made it illegal.

 

[hasanhh]

44 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Injecting yourself is not the same as taking it orally.

True, but this assertion is misleading.  Aluminium health hazards are from ingestion in either stomach or lungs. 

[AkhiraisReal]

@hasanhh please brother watch the video. Or make your own unbiased research brother.

[hasanhh]

12 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

@hasanhh please brother watch the video. Or make your own unbiased research brother.

Read the CDC's vaccine safety site. Aluminium has been used as a adjuvant since the 1930s.

[AkhiraisReal]

4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Read the CDC's vaccine safety site. Aluminium has been used as a adjuvant since the 1930s.

CDC is not unbiased.

Having been using aluminium since 1930s doesn't make it safe.

I don't think you watched the video, because the guy literally challenge CDC and the pharmaceutical companies

[iCenozoic]

2 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

CDC is not unbiased.

Having been using aluminium since 1930s doesn't make it safe.

I don't think you watched the video, because the guy literally challenge CDC and the pharmaceutical companies

I watched the video. The researcher in the video appears to have admitted to publishing false data:

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-faked-study-linking-vaccines-and-autism-is-being-eviscerated-by-the-science-community

Probably not someone to place trust in.

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by iCenozoic

[hasanhh]

5 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I don't think you watched the video, because the guy literally challenge CDC and the pharmaceutical companies

This is the same as saying something is 'true' because you saw it on television.

You never heard of Marcus Welby, M.D. did you?