Viruses & Vaccinations

[Haji 2003]

14 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

We don't have much of a choice in most matters.

With vaccinations we seem to have a choice. The complete whack jobs refuse to vaccinate and hence the rise in measles cases in New York. That was amongst Orthodox Jews, so I am not sure which Zionist conspiracy they were scared of.

[iCenozoic]

All this talk about viruses has brought all the conspirators out. I bet when the US returns to the moon with Artemis, the anti moon Landers will come out of their holes as well. 

[Allah Seeker]

23 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

With vaccinations we seem to have a choice. The complete whack jobs refuse to vaccinate and hence the rise in measles cases in New York. That was amongst Orthodox Jews, so I am not sure which Zionist conspiracy they were scared of.

That is probably one out of a few real vaccinations that one should take

[Allah Seeker]

23 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

All this talk about viruses has brought all the conspirators out. I bet when the US returns to the moon with Artemis, the anti moon Landers will come out of their holes as well. 

As I told you earlier: in Islam we believe that Satan and his minions conspire all the time. Also the closer we reach too the end times the more the conspiracies will be.

[AkhiraisReal]

On 3/23/2020 at 9:14 AM, 313 Seeker said:

As I told you earlier: in Islam we believe that Satan and his minions conspire all the time. Also the closer we reach too the end times the more the conspiracies will be.

That's so true brother, yet no one mentions that. They, the followers of iblis are conspiring every second.

Just look at the world everyone is deceived and don't care. There's no resistance.

[Allah Seeker]

On 3/23/2020 at 9:51 AM, AkhiraisReal said:

That's so true brother, yet no one mentions that. They, the followers of iblis are conspiring every second.

Just look at the world everyone is deceived and don't care. There's no resistance.

It's common sense! We see it in the news, in history, in Qur'an and in hadeeth. Then people get looked down upon and labeled insane for pointing out this fact. It makes you wonder

[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, iCenozoic said:

All this talk about viruses has brought all the conspirators out. I bet when the US returns to the moon with Artemis, the anti moon Landers will come out of their holes as well.

People have lots of theories, beliefs and opinions, founded and unfounded. Even atheists have ridiculous beliefs. 

No worries.

It's when they start affecting behaviour in a way that affects health outcomes for themselves and everyone else that they become dangerous.

[iCenozoic]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

People have lots of theories, beliefs and opinions, founded and unfounded. Even atheists have ridiculous beliefs. 

No worries.

It's when they start affecting behaviour in a way that affects health outcomes for themselves and everyone else that they become dangerous.

I believe that danger can come in many forms. 

Some people believe that aliens were responsible for crop circles. Much like the hit film "signs" in public theaters. 

On the surface such a silly belief might appear harmless, but it says a lot about people's willingness to accept information that isn't substantiated. Moon landing denialists, anti-vaxxers, believers in chemtrails, flat Earthers etc. 

They all fall into the same camp of having low standards in the information that they accept. And they do nothing but perpetuate their own shortcomings. And they all tend to make positive statements towards something ridiculous. With the exception of maybe hardcore atheists like Richard Dawkins, I would consider conspiracy theorists to be a worse crowd.

Edited March 23, 2020 by iCenozoic

[iCenozoic]

15 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

I believe that danger can come in many forms. 

Some people believe that aliens were responsible for crop circles. Much like the hit film "signs" in public theaters. 

On the surface such a silly belief might appear harmless, but it says a lot about people's willingness to accept information that isn't substantiated. Moon landing denialists, anti-vaxxers, believers in chemtrails, flat Earthers etc. 

They all fall into the same camp of having low standards in the information that they accept. And they do nothing but perpetuate their own shortcomings. And they all tend to make positive statements towards something ridiculous. With the exception of maybe hardcore atheists like Richard Dawkins, I would consider conspiracy theorists to be a worse crowd.

I think this actually is a worthwhile point.

If a group of people deny the moon landing of say buzz Aldrin, it's not just about whether or not they think the US landed on the moon. It's a perpetuation of a lack of standard for acceptance of information. 

The idea of a fake moon landing is so extensively absurd, given the number of people that wouldn't be needed in such a conspiracy. As Neil Tyson once said it would be easier to land on the moon than it would be to even cover such a thing up. 

But the perpetuation of the idea suggests that it's okay to accept certain ideas based on perhaps ideas shared in a YouTube video or on some random blog. It suggests that ideas can be accepted without examination of the consequences. and the same goes with anti-vaxxers it's acceptance of an idea without recognition of the consequences.

So the issue is more intellectual than it is truly about the moon landing or even about the vaccines. And their perpetuation of this practice or lack thereof, of critique, especially when conducted by political or religious leaders, is very damaging for society. And I think president Trump and even Khomeini, and their promotion of absurd ideas, is really damaging to their respective listeners. Now thankfully the Trump administration gets sued on a regular basis and rejected by state leaders, but the issues are there none the less.

[Haji 2003]

22 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

On the surface such a silly belief might appear harmless, but it says a lot about people's willingness to accept information that isn't substantiated. Moon landing denialists, anti-vaxxers, believers in chemtrails, flat Earthers etc

I guess the problem is really acute where you have someone believing in all of these.

[Allah Seeker]

44 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

Moon landing denialists, anti-vaxxers, believers in chemtrails, flat Earthers etc. 

.. that would be me

Add to this please that I believe all major social media platforms are infiltrated by people who are paid to make sure people don't question "conspiracies" of Satan. 

[Allah Seeker]

21 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

I guess the problem is really acute where you have someone believing in all of these.

I want to know why believing in a physical shape of Earth, or in government conspiracies is so dangerous in the face of what governments are doing? How many millions were killed by the United States alone in the past few years? What about the unnecessary poverty brought about by the fraudulent satanic economic system that starves people since God knows when? How about finding the root of the problem instead of pointing at a few people who question everyone and everything? We must have compassion for the people that were killed, raped, starved, terrorised, kept in ignorance, polluted by the very powers that control the media and education that you defend so much!

[Haji 2003]

13 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

.. that would be me

I'm really sorry.

[AkhiraisReal]

On 3/23/2020 at 10:53 AM, Haji 2003 said:

It's when they start affecting behaviour in a way that affects health outcomes for themselves and everyone else that they become dangerous.

You have good point, BUT,

Do you have any idea how much we are being "#¤"# over by the ruling class right now?

Tomorrow someone can come knock your door and take anything they want away from you, since you don't really "own" anything. You have owners.

How is it possible that we live in a society where someone who don't have any single relationship to your kids can knock your door, have entire police force behind them and steal your child away from you, because the deem it to be for the best for the kid. They don't even know who your child are and have only seen him in paper. All this, because you decided that you don't want your kids to be raised as the society want to them to be raised, obedient servants for the ruling class.

You can't raise your children as Shia, you know that? say whatever you want, but if you would truly have raised your children as true Shia, there would be agencies knocking your door ready to kidnapp your child.

excuse my language brother, I hope I havn't breaken any rules by writing like this "#¤"#¤"

[Haji 2003]

9 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

How is it possible that we live in a society where someone who don't have any single relationship to your kids can knock your door, have entire police force behind them and steal your child away from you, because the deem it to be for the best for the kid.

I'm not disputing this particular point, because it may well be possible and there are documented cases. 

My problem is where people start mixing issues for which there is evidence and about which we need to be careful, with recommendations that people should not vaccinate their kids.

As I've said before, earlier in the thread I have no problems believing that sections of the State exist to deliberately exploit and abuse the unwary (e.g. various parts of the financial/pensions industries, the education & health sectors etc.), but also that there can be human error - but it helps to isolate each issue and assess it on its merits.

[hasanhh]

12 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

I want to know why believing in a physical shape of Earth, or in government conspiracies is so dangerous in the face of what governments are doing? 

From the things you've written, l figure you are confusing cynicism and skepticism into conspiracy theories.

Example, the rise of the British Empire was not by any plan, but by a shared 'world view'.

[Allah Seeker]

1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

From the things you've written, l figure you are confusing cynicism and skepticism into conspiracy theories.

Example, the rise of the British Empire was not by any plan, but by a shared 'world view'.

I know you also never fail to express your aversion to anybody questioning certain things. I think you and about two other people seem to really be passionate about resisting people asking questions or doubting some issues that are also propagated by mainstream media. One of these is the good old Holocaust of course! (That one is the most telling for me)

Of course you are the only person on this site who pressed disagree on a post that shows how AIDS was spread on purpose. But you didn't bother as usual to explain why you disagree. Who cares about the victims right?

So you didn't actually address the point here:

What is so "dangerous" about people who check "conspiracies" of Satan by governments that kill, maim, lie, steal, invade, by the millions?  Who is dangerous here? The people questioning the government "information", or the evil-doing government and it's motives and information?

[AkhiraisReal]

@notme

Watch this 10 minute video please, might be of interest to you. 

http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate

Edited March 24, 2020 by AkhiraisReal

[Allah Seeker]

Anybody heard about what DARPA is doing or planning? I heard they are planning to roll out untested new type of vaccines that actually fuse DNA and RNA sequences in our own DNA so we are permanently altered in our DNA and produce whatever proteins they want. Apparently this has not been tested or approved but still will be given possibly in a matter of weeks. Anybody hear if that? That's all I know so far. Some scary stuff!

[AkhiraisReal]

58 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Anybody heard about what DARPA is doing or planning? I heard they are planning to roll out untested new type of vaccines that actually fuse DNA and RNA sequences in our own DNA so we are permanently altered in our DNA and produce whatever proteins they want. Apparently this has not been tested or approved but still will be given possibly in a matter of weeks. Anybody hear if that? That's all I know so far. Some scary stuff!

that might be the next step.

It's said that the wi-38 and mrc-5 already does that which are from (apparently aborted babies from woman with mental problem, not sure about the validity of the story), but anyways. and other vaccines containing cells from animals.

It's said that one of the reasons people react badly from vaccines with side effects is because their immune system is trying to reject the unknown human/animal cells and by doing that it starts to attack its own cells.

Edited March 24, 2020 by AkhiraisReal

[Allah Seeker]

8 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

that might be the next step.

It's said that the wi-38 and mrc-5 already does that which are from (apparently aborted babies from woman with mental problem, not sure about the validity of the story), but anyways. and other vaccines containing cells from animals.

It's said that one of the reasons people react badly from vaccines with side effects is because their immune system is trying to reject the unknown human/animal cells and by doing that it starts to attack its own cells.

We are probably all so messed up! Our intelligence is probably operating on a miracle considering all this tampering in all ways including vaccinations. Mind Control Ultra in 2020, imagine! Just different names but whole new potentials.

[313_Waiter]

On 3/24/2020 at 4:42 AM, 313 Seeker said:

that would be me

I would like to know your opinion of the Saturn theory if you believe all of these things.

[Allah Seeker]

7 minutes ago, Ejaz said:

I would like to know your opinion of the Saturn theory if you believe all of these things.

It seems that Saturn really is important to several people, but I doubt that the Kaaba was originally representing Saturn. I wouldn't be surprised if the current "Custodians" purposefully try their best to turn the Kaaba into a Saturn-linked shrine for satan. Just like they last week put it into a triangle. Are you an expert in the Saturn theory?

They say that Satan is from Saturn or something? I'm no expert.

[313_Waiter]

5 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

Are you an expert in the Saturn theory?

No I don’t know much about conspiracy theories in general. Only know a little bit about Dajjal / antichrist system, ziopigism, move from British pound to petrodollar to soon to come paperless currency.

This theory was particularly interesting. I think they say Satan represents Saturn as well as a whole bunch of other things. Maybe this theory is the mother of all conspiracies.

[Allah Seeker]

34 minutes ago, Ejaz said:

ziopigism

It's easy to memorize and study old texts about the future. But comparing them and linking them is a whole different story. That requires creativity and a very open mind, because they are usually never 100% identical. Words can be metaphors, and some misinformation might be weaved into the hadiths that make it harder. It is also sometimes hard to discern if this is a hadith talking about things that already happened or still will happen.

[Allah Seeker]

Furthermore hadiths of the future prophesies can be repeating events that culminate to one that represents it fully. For example the concept of a Mahdi or guided individual probably resonates with countless people in people's lives. Or killing of nafs el zakeya / innocent soul, also resonates with countless innocent people murdered. So a hadith connection to current events can be accurate, even if it is not the final individual or event before the true victory of God. Just like we have a Yamani now fighting and never losing masha Allah. This resonates with Yamani, but if he is the one, only time will tell. Or the Yamani could be someone else on Earth today, who isn't officially having a Yemeni passport, or having actually lived in Yemen. All descendants of Prophet Mohammed could be seen as Yemeni, because the Prophet said that he is Yemeni, if I am not wrong.

It is like the work of a detective when connecting the dots of end time prophesies to the world around us now.

[iCenozoic]

On 3/23/2020 at 3:10 AM, The Green Knight said:

I partially agree. They can not be trusted at all. But vaccinations work. Take tetanus and rabies for instance which require vaccination to avoid an otherwise lethal disease. Polio is pretty much gone because of vaccines. They have managed to control their population through greatly facilitating homoism, new age feminism, unjust divorce laws, abortion, contraceptives, pornography, encouraging "free living" / pairing / prostitution etc.

Well that's the...key point in the discussion. Vaccines statistically have been proven to work. And not only do they simply work, they have been extensively successful in saving lives. Whereas the lack of vaccination, in many cases, has been demonstrated to result in the loss of life. 

[iCenozoic]

https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-outbreak/

If anyone hasn't seen the above, it's quite enjoyable, along with Bill gates Netflix series.

But what's interesting is that, in the Frontline documentary you have these conspiracy theories who believe that the white man is trying to sterilize Africans. And they go and ran sack Ebola filled medical centers and steal mattresses out from under bloodied ebola patients.

This is the reality of conspiracy theories, and in particular it reflects the acts of anti vaxers, it's really just absurd and shameful. And many people died as a result. With more illness and death, their economy suffers more. With more poverty, their education system fails. With less education the conspiracy theories take a greater hold and the cycle continues.

It's a good watch though.

[Allah Seeker]

1 minute ago, iCenozoic said:

white man

everybody knows who is behind the poverty and corruption of Africa, along with their financiers 

[Allah Seeker]

2 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

acts of anti vaxers

oh the anti vaxxers are the ones who colonized and enslaved and raped and orphaned and polluted the world aren't they? And the anti vaxxers build bio warfare facilities around the world and provided saddam Hussein with chem weapons and occupy Palestine and steal peoples lands and homes etc. yeah blame the anti vaxxers. 

[Allah Seeker]

listen up everybody! the anti vaxxers, the holocaust questioners, the flat earthers, the chem trail observers are the problem! They are the ones who control the world economy and ruined Africa and Asia, and made sure that the Saudi family put their dirty hands on the two mosques and demolish Sayida Khadijas home so it can be turned into a toilet. Listen to @iCenozoic, he found the culprits!

[Allah Seeker]

excuse my sarcasm everyone! I know it's haram! please forgive me

[The Green Knight]

People who peddle junk often mix in a little truth to sell it.

[Haji 2003]

Quote

Gates said he was picking the top seven vaccine candidates and building manufacturing capacity for them. “Even though we’ll end up picking at most two of them, we’re going to fund factories for all seven, just so that we don’t waste time in serially saying, ‘OK, which vaccine works?’ and then building the factory,” he said.

Gates said that simultaneously testing and building manufacturing capacity is essential to the quick development of a vaccine, which Gates thinks could take about 18 months.

In a Washington Post op-ed article published earlier this week, Gates said some of the top candidates required unique equipment.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/bill-gates-factories-7-different-vaccines-to-fight-coronavirus-2020-4

Some people here will take this as a signal to start making babies before Gates produces his vaccines.

[AkhiraisReal]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/

April 09, 2020

Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination

 

By Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense

 

Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.

Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.

Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate Polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI) which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.

The most frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines.

In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018, 70% of global polio cases were vaccine strain.

In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

South African newspapers complained, ‘We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.’

In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,949 children.

During Gates’ 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates’ operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Approximately 50 of the 500 children vaccinated developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.” Nelson Mandela’s former Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “ruthless and immoral.”

In 2010, Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO saying, “We must make this the decade of vaccines.” A month later, Gates said in a Ted Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population”. In 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a  “tetanus” vaccine campaign. Independent labs found a sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.  Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines.

A 2017 study (Morgenson et. al. 2017) showed that WHO’s popular DTP vaccine is killing more African children than the diseases it prevents. DTP-vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of children who had not yet received the vaccine. WHO has refused to recall the lethal vaccine which it forces upon tens of millions of African children annually.

[Global public health officials] say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of steering WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases: clean water, hygiene, nutrition, and economic development. The Gates Foundation only spends about $650 million of its $5 billion dollar budget on these areas.  They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI, and PATH, Gates funds a private pharmaceutical company that manufactures vaccines, and additionally is donating $50 million to 12 pharmaceutical companies to speed up development of a coronavirus vaccine. In his recent media appearances, Gates appears confident that the Covid-19 crisis will now give him the opportunity to force his dictatorial vaccine programs on American children.

@Haji 2003

Edited April 11, 2020 by AkhiraisReal