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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10103003/Double-jabbed-people-likely-not-catch-Covid-recovered-infection.html

''Recovering from Covid offers just as good protection as getting two doses of any vaccine, official figures suggest. 

An Office for National Statistics' (ONS) report published today found unvaccinated Britons who catch the Delta variant are around 71 per cent less likely to test positive for a second time.

It estimated the risk of infection is slashed by approximately 67 per cent in people given two doses of Pfizer or AstraZeneca's jabs.

The ONS said there was 'no evidence' vaccines offered more immunity than catching Covid itself, despite a number of other studies showing the opposite. 

The findings are based on more than 8,000 positive tests across Britain between May and August, when the Delta variant became dominant.  

Scientists are still trying to untangle exactly how long naturally-acquired and vaccine immunity lasts.

Protection from the jabs appears to dip at around five months, which is why Britons over the age of 50 are being offered booster doses this autumn. But the duration of natural immunity remains somewhat of a mystery, made more complicated by the rise of new variants.

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in people who were unvaccinated but previously positive, the risk was cut by between 65 per cent to 77 per cent. 

The overlap in confidence intervals meant that there was no statistical difference between the results.

Writing in the report, the ONS said: 'There was no evidence that the reduction in risk of infection from two vaccine doses differed from that of previous natural infection.' 

The ONS found that two doses of Pfizer's jab offered slightly higher protection against infection than two of AstraZeneca.

But the ONS said it was not statistically significant and added that any slight difference may be due to the fact Pfizer's was rolled out to the masses slightly later than AstraZeneca's. 

The report does not look at the negative effects of catching the virus, including long Covid, which blights a significant number of adult sufferers.

But critics of the Government's decision to vaccinate healthy school pupils as young as 12 have argued that natural immunity is better for children because it removes the small risk of side effects from the jabs.

There is a small one in 10,000 risk of myocarditis — an extremely rare form of heart inflammation that is not necessarily serious — in children. 

It is slightly more prevalent in boys but doctors say most cases are treatable. But the long term implications of the condition are not yet fully understood. Whereas, the risk of being admitted to ICU with Covid in healthy teens is around one in 500,000.

Data from the ONS report also confirmed that the vaccines are less likely to stop an infection now than when the Alpha variant was dominant, between December 2020 and May this year.

At that time, double-vaccination cut the risk of testing positive for the virus by 79 per cent. For comparison, among those who had beat Alpha, the risk was reduced by 65 per cent.''

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You can see why Britain is in trouble, based on the comments to the above article and the how people are liking and disliking comments.

So the comment about the benefits of natural immunity gets 1048 likes, whereas the obvious counter-argument that you can get seriously ill by acquiring immunity naturally only gets 7 likes.

This article is very dangerous - since it downplays the above point.

And yes the vaccines have side effects, but they are way less dangerous than getting the disease.

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On 10/20/2021 at 5:12 AM, Haji 2003 said:

You can see why Britain is in trouble, based on the comments to the above article and the how people are liking and disliking comments.

So the comment about the benefits of natural immunity gets 1048 likes, whereas the obvious counter-argument that you can get seriously ill by acquiring immunity naturally only gets 7 likes.

This article is very dangerous - since it downplays the above point.

And yes the vaccines have side effects, but they are way less dangerous than getting the disease.

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My neighbor died last month. He was an anti-vaxxer. People here seem to underestimate how deadly the virus is, despite it killing 800,000 Americans. 

I heard that Russia has a pretty big anti-vaxxer movement going on too, even despite having manufactured their own Sputnik vaccine. What an event of great national pride, and yet people don't seem to view it that way.

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SINGAPORE - The Ministry of Health (MOH) has invoked Singapore's fake news law against a local website for false claims about the effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccines, and the safety and efficacy of ivermectin in preventing and treating Covid-19.

Among the false claims that have to carry the notice are that vaccinated countries have the most cases and deaths per million population, and the least vaccinated countries have the fewest cases and deaths per million population.

The website has also stated that vaccines do not prevent the spread of Covid-19.

"These claims are false," said MOH. "As of October 23, the weight of international evidence shows categorically that vaccines reduce Covid-19 infection, as well as serious illness and mortality rates from Covid-19 infection."

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/correction-direction-issued-to-truth-warriors-website?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social-organic&utm_keyword=dlvr.it

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https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/10/23/as-harvard-study-reveals-limits-mandatory-vaccine-regime-joe-biden-should-let-americans-decide-their-own-fate/

 

Presently, the media has been cultivating the narrative that any surge of new coronavirus cases in the United States is being driven by areas with low vaccination rates. If the ‘anti-vaxxers’ would just roll up their sleeves for the jab, the argument goes, we could finally get back to some semblance of normalcy. But does that prescribed cure bear any relationship with scientific truth? Are vaccines alone making a significant dent against the pandemic? A recent study put out by Harvard University appears to turn that wishful thinking on its head.

Despite the non-stop hype about the need for every single person on the planet to receive a vaccine before it’s safe to venture outdoors again, Harvard researchers dispelled that notion in one fell swoop when they wrote: “At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days.” The very next line is no less shocking: “In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.”

By way of example, consider the current conundrum involving Iceland and Portugal. Despite the fact that both of these countries have over 75 percent of their population fully vaccinated, they have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than other much-less vaccinated countries, like Vietnam and South Africa, where just 10 percent of the populations are fully vaccinated.


 


 


 

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11 hours ago, slavelight said:

this is so sad...........................

Not really.

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In the vaccination analysis, the vaccinated and control groups each included a mean of 884,828 persons. Vaccination was most strongly associated with an elevated risk of myocarditis (risk ratio, 3.24; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.55 to 12.44; risk difference, 2.7 events per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 1.0 to 4.6), lymphadenopathy (risk ratio, 2.43; 95% CI, 2.05 to 2.78; risk difference, 78.4 events per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 64.1 to 89.3), appendicitis (risk ratio, 1.40; 95% CI, 1.02 to 2.01; risk difference, 5.0 events per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 0.3 to 9.9), and herpes zoster infection (risk ratio, 1.43; 95% CI, 1.20 to 1.73; risk difference, 15.8 events per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 8.2 to 24.2). SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with a substantially increased risk of myocarditis (risk ratio, 18.28; 95% CI, 3.95 to 25.12; risk difference, 11.0 events per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 5.6 to 15.8) and of additional serious adverse events, including pericarditis, arrhythmia, deep-vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, myocardial infarction, intracranial hemorrhage, and thrombocytopenia.

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

 

Barda, N., Dagan, N., Ben-Shlomo, Y., Kepten, E., Waxman, J., Ohana, R., Hernán, M.A., Lipsitch, M., Kohane, I., Netzer, D. and Reis, B.Y., 2021. Safety of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 vaccine in a nationwide setting. New England Journal of Medicine, 385(12), pp.1078-1090.

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15 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Not really.

Yes, it is sad. If it happened once it's sad. If it happened more than once it's sadder. It's happened more than once.
A quick search on the European adverse events database of "serious cardio/vascular events" gives a total of 43,686 people who had pfizer. 27,333 AZ, and another 15,259 with Moderna.
That's 86,278 Europeans in serious condition due to vaccines. 
That may be miniscule by ARR but that's out of 1,080,820 serious events reported of the millions of events reported.

It's still 86,000 people who will never be the same.
Last count of women effected, spontaneous abortion, sterile, or worse, was 7,800.   Canada just announced jabs are perfectly safe for pregnant women.
 

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21 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

accination was most strongly associated with an elevated risk of myocarditis (risk ratio, 3.24; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.55 to 12.44; risk difference, 2.7 events per 100,000 persons

Also to be noted is that there are 3.05 billion people vaccinated

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL

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15 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

Yes, it is sad. If it happened once it's sad. If it happened more than once it's sadder. It's happened more than once.
A quick search on the European adverse events database of "serious cardio/vascular events" gives a total of 43,686 people who had pfizer. 27,333 AZ, and another 15,259 with Moderna.
That's 86,278 Europeans in serious condition due to vaccines. 
That may be miniscule by ARR but that's out of 1,080,820 serious events reported of the millions of events reported.

It's still 86,000 people who will never be the same.
Last count of women effected, spontaneous abortion, sterile, or worse, was 7,800.   Canada just announced jabs are perfectly safe for pregnant women.
 

Surely you're aware that VAERS entries don't actually have to be adverse effects due to vaccination, rather it's for people who experience adverse affects for any reason, post vaccination.

 

So for example, 3,000,000 Americans might die in a single year, or 250,000 in a month, of non-covid/vaccination reasons. If 50% of those 250,000 natural deaths just so happen to get vaccinated in a given month, then it's mandatory that their deaths are reported to VAERS, which would result in 125,000 VAERS reports in a single month, all completely unrelated to vaccination or covid-19.

The point being that the VAERS reports can be submitted even for people who naturally die unrelated to covid-19 or vaccination status, who just by coincidence happen to be vaccinated.

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On 11/2/2021 at 6:09 PM, iCenozoic said:

then it's mandatory that their deaths are reported to VAERS, which would result in 125,000 VAERS reports in a single month, all completely unrelated to vaccination or covid-19.

That's a lie, its not mandatory. Actually the numbers are much more than what VAERS data show.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

On 11/2/2021 at 6:09 PM, iCenozoic said:

The point being that the VAERS reports can be submitted even for people who naturally die unrelated to covid-19 or vaccination status, who just by coincidence happen to be vaccinated.

Why does this only apply to side effects from the vaccine, but not for covid19 itself?

If someone catched covid19 and dies, regardless if his weight was 700lbs and he many health issues, it will still be counted as covid death.....

Hypocrisy

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20 hours ago, slavelight said:

That's a lie, its not mandatory. Actually the numbers are much more than what VAERS data show.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Why does this only apply to side effects from the vaccine, but not for covid19 itself?

If someone catched covid19 and dies, regardless if his weight was 700lbs and he many health issues, it will still be counted as covid death.....

Hypocrisy

"VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness."

"The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary"

You're just making my case. Your post simply verified what I've said. "Coincidental".

 

The system is designed to help in generating hypotheses, but the data, as you said in your own words, are not directly related to vaccination, but rather are in most cases, as noted above, "incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable".

And many reports are voluntary, but others are mandatory for healthcare professionals as well. But remember that anyone can make a VAERS report, even non medical professionals, voluntarily. Which is why many are "unverified".

 

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20 hours ago, slavelight said:

 

If someone catched covid19 and dies, regardless if his weight was 700lbs and he many health issues, it will still be counted as covid death.....

Hypocrisy

Consider the following regarding total US deaths by year for all causes.

2015 - 2.69 Million deaths
2016 - 2.73 (increase of 40,000 from prior year)
2017 - 2.81(increase of 80,000 from prior year)
2018 - 2.84 (increase of 30,000 from prior year)
2019 - 2.85 (increase of 10,000 from prior year)
2020 - 3.40 (increase of 550,000 from prior year).

 

Notice anything odd about 2020 total deaths?

You think obesity is the cause of this 550,000 increase in US deaths? Maybe McDonald's changed their recipe and killed half a million people above the normal death rate? Or maybe the death certificates are forged and those 550,000 didn't actually die?
 

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5 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

"VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness."

"The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary"

You're just making my case. Your post simply verified what I've said. "Coincidental".

 

The system is designed to help in generating hypotheses, but the data, as you said in your own words, are not directly related to vaccination, but rather are in most cases, as noted above, "incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable".

And many reports are voluntary, but others are mandatory for healthcare professionals as well. But remember that anyone can make a VAERS report, even non medical professionals, voluntarily. Which is why many are "unverified".

 

"That's a lie, its not mandatory. " -starlight

 

And in case there was any question:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

 

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:

-Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination that occurs within the specified time period after vaccinations

-An adverse event listed by the vaccine manufacturer as a contraindication to further doses of the vaccine

@313_Waiter this one is for you too. You gave starlight a positive rating even though he said something that directly contradicts the VAERS website itself.

 

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Yes, Doctors report adverse events, if the patient tells them about it. There are some issues that health professionals are concerned about:

  • Did the person take any prescriptions, over-the-counter medications, dietary supplements, herbal remedies, alcoholic drinks, etc?
  • Does the person have allergies to medications, food, or other products?
  • Was the person ill at the time of vaccination (up to one month prior)?
  • Does the person have a chronic or long-standing health condition?

Everyone should not think that an adverse event was caused by the vaccination. Vaccines are very important to us, and can prevent up to 3 million deaths each year. 

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Everyone should not think that an adverse event was caused by the vaccination. Vaccines are very important to us, and can prevent up to 3 million deaths each year. 

 

10 hours ago, slavelight said:

Where do you get these numbers from? How does one come up with these numbers.

nhs.uk:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-safe-and-important/

WHO facebook page:

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nottingham.ac.uk:

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/helmopen/rlos/practice-learning/public-health/CoVE/section03.html

Other sites as well. 

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I just want to note that here in the US, 8 or 9 out of every 10 deaths these days are of unvaccinated people. So if 1500 people die in a single day, 1200+ are unvaccinated. And this suggests that the vaccines are saving hundreds of lives literally every single day. 4/10 Americans are unvaccinated, but they make up 9/10 deaths.

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2 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

If the vaccines work, then how are unvaccinated people a threat to vaccinated people? ...If the vaccines don't work, then why take them in the first place and why mandate them?

I’m grappling with the above questions. Can someone helps me out pls?

 

Vaccines aren't 100% effective. They're more around 60-80% depending on which vaccine, the immunity of the individual and the timing of vaccination. 

So the vaccines work, but because they aren't 100% effective, something like 3/10 vaccinated people are still vulnerable to infection. 

So technically both some vaccinated and some unvaccinated could be considered a "threat" to the vaccinated. It's just that 99% of unvaccinated and not previously infected people can get infected and pass on the virus, while maybe only 20-40% (or much less with boosters) of the vaccinated can be infected and spread the virus.

And so the more people vaccinated, the less likely the virus will spread, A. Because less people will get infected and thus less can spread it and B. Vaccinated people also kill the virus faster in the rare instance that they have a breakthrough case. 

Here in the US, roughly 8 or 9 out of every 10 deaths are now in unvaccinated people. And unvaccinated are 6 to 7 times more likely to get infected than vaccinated. 

So when we think about mandates, the government seeks to have a strong economy. A strong economy produces positive ratings and votes for politicians, a strong economy also produces more tax revenue and lower unemployment rates. So if mandating vaccination results in 8 out of 10 infected workers surviving covid, that's hundreds of workers who can keep working, can stay employed, can keep their jobs, can keep voting, can pay taxes etc. Whereas if nobody was vaccinated, it would result in more hospitalizations, more healthcare costs, a slower economic recovery, obstruction of tax revenues, obstruction of the education system etc etc.

So vaccine mandates are just observed as something that can help fuel economic recovery and recovery of the nation (even though not everyone wants to be forced to "take the jab". 

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2 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

why take them in the first place and why mandate them?

There is no approved medical treatment for protection from Covid-19 other than vaccines. 

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4 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

There is no approved medical treatment for protection from Covid-19 other than vaccines. 

Or the recently approved antiviral pill in the UK (Lagevrio) 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/britain-approves-mercks-oral-covid-19-pill-2021-11-04/

 

7 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

If the vaccines work, then how are unvaccinated people a threat to vaccinated people? ...If the vaccines don't work, then why take them in the first place and why mandate them?

Because unvaccinated people are a threat to other unvaccinated people, especially the elderly or disabled. It's expensive to hospitalize and not beneficial or for society that the unvaccinated should remain unvaccinated. The vaccine  is your best defense against COVID-19 at this tine

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https://www.morgenpost.de/vermischtes/article233749909/corona-kind-12-stirbt-impfung-biontech.html

https://thecovidworld.com/12-year-old-child-in-germany-dies-2-days-after-receiving-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

A 12-year-old boy from the district of Cuxhaven has died two days after receiving his second Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

https://thecovidworld.com/12-year-old-girl-fighting-for-her-life-in-icu-after-heart-problems-caused-by-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

A 12-year-old girl in Thailand is fighting for her life in ICU after suffering heart complications caused by the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

https://thecovidworld.com/16-year-old-girl-dies-a-week-after-2nd-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-parents-seek-answers/

A 16-year-old vocational student has died a week after her second dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. Aonjira Jaroonroj Na Ayuthaya, a previously healthy and happy girl, was pronounced dead on November 3rd at Lampang Hospital in Lampang Province. Doctors stated lung thrombosis and lung infection as the cause of death. The girl’s parents believe the vaccine is to blame and are calling for an investigation.

https://thecovidworld.com/three-giraffes-have-died-at-the-dallas-zoo-in-the-last-month-is-the-covid-19-vaccine-responsible/

A 14-year-old giraffe named Jesse died at the Dallas Zoo last Friday, making this the third giraffe to die at the zoo the past month. Earlier in October, two giraffes at the Dallas Zoo died within a week of each other. Suspiciously, this comes just months after the zoo confirmed they would be vaccinating ‘some animals’ against COVID-19.

According to CBS DFW, both adult giraffes had abnormal liver enzymes, suggesting possible exposure to a “toxin” of some sort, either through a food source, from the exhibit space, or introduced via a foreign object. Zoo officials have said they suspect the deaths may be connected, but the link is as-yet unproven. Extensive tissue testing is underway, including testing for encephalomyocarditis.

 

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 Swedish doctors sign petition to stop Pfizer rollout over suspected fraud

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It comes as the British Medical Journal (BMJ), a weekly peer-reviewed medical journal from the UK, last week cited a whistleblower as saying that a subcontractor to Pfizer falsified data and failed to promptly follow up on adverse events reported during the crucial phase III trial of the vaccine last autumn.

Brook Jackson, who served as the regional director at the Ventavia Research Group, told the BMJ that the company unblinded patients, and employed inadequately trained vaccinators.

According to the report, staff members who conducted quality control checks were “overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding.”

 

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The health experts also suggested that the extent of the number of reported suspected side effects of Pfizer jabs is “gigantic”.

They put the number of suspected side effects reported during the ten months that vaccination has taken place at 83,744, 10 times more than all side effects reported per year.

“The strong suspicion that parts of the clinical trial of Pfizer's vaccine were not performed in a scientifically acceptable manner and where the study results cannot be considered reliable

https://parstoday.com/en/news/world-i157402-swedish_doctors_sign_petition_to_stop_pfizer_rollout_over_suspected_fraud

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1 hour ago, SoRoUsH said:

Here's a controversial question:

Should anyone ever take any religious advice from anti-vaxxers, considering their abysmal level of critical thinking and logic, their narcissism, fear-mongering, and fearfulness? 

Majority of the people against the coercion covid vaccine and the restrictions and everything that has to do with the pandemic are not anti-vaxxers.

fear-mongering is what the media is doing in favor of this pandemic. Narcissist are the leaders who only care about themselves and don't tell the truth except the few who later have to resign or are killed.

What happened to the 1 shot, 2 shot, 3 shot, now 4 shots in some countries. How many shots before this pandemic can be declared over?

Why are the muslim population amongst the most gullible on earth? How can they surrender their rights so easily when in their own literature they have been warned of these kinds of people and the many stories from the past. What about the warnings about the future and end times, are these not one of the signs?

Every human being have nonnegotioable rights, no one have the right to use coercion, comparable to we can't coerce anyone to believe in god or become muslim. This is not about health crisis or pandemic anymore, the pandemic is being used as an excuse.

Something else is going on. Did you not see the many replies in the other thread if covid 19 was a conspiracy? How it seemed like this has all been planned long time ago?

 

Here's a summary:

The years before COVID-19 the whole world suddenly started distributing hundreds of millions of PCR test kits for COVID-19.

In 2017, Anthony Fauci guaranteed a surprise outbreak of an infectious disease during the first term of the Trump administration.

Right before the global coronavirus pandemic, Bill Gates organized a global coronavirus pandemic exercise: Event201.

Also shortly before the outbreak, the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board told the world to be ready for a coronavirus pandemic.

In 2018, the Institute for Disease Modeling announced a global pandemic with a flu virus, originating in China in the area of Wuhan.

In 2018, Bill and Melinda Gates announced that in the coming years there would be a global pandemic of an engineered virus.

The coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 may have been created in the Bio Safety Lab Level 4 in Wuhan, which received millions of dollars from Anthony Fauci.

A comic book produced by the European Union depicts a virus spreading worldwide. The crisis is solved by implementing totalitarian medical tyranny.

The Summer Olympics in 2012 presented in their opening show the scenario of a pandemic from a coronavirus.

The investigative journalist Harry Vox predicted in 2014 that a global pandemic would be created, so the 'ruling class' could implement a higher level of authoritarian control.

The investigative journalist Anthony Patch predicted a global pandemic with a man-made virus, that would be used to force a DNA altering vaccine on humanity.

Dr. Carrie Madej studied DNA and vaccines for decades and says the plan is to use the COVID-19 vaccine to start the process of transhumanism: reprogramming the human DNA.

The CIA officer Dr. John Coleman studied secret societies and says their goal is to depopulate the earth by means of organized pandemics of fatal rapid acting diseases.

In the state of Georgia a huge monument was erected in 1980 with ten guidelines for humanity, in eight languages. The first of these 'Ten Commandments' is that humanity needs to be reduced to half a billion people.

In 2010, the Rockefeller Foundation published the 'Scenario for the Future...' in which they describe a coming global pandemic, that should result in the implementation of authoritarian control over the people, which will then intensify after the pandemic.

In 2020, the Rockefeller Foundation published a handbook on how to create this world of control, with a step by step guide. They say life cannot return back to normal, until the world has become 'Locked Down' with this top down control from authoritarian governments.

Part of this top down control is extreme censoring of every single voice from doctors, scientists or other experts that criticize what is going on.

 

 

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In May, the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) found that just 12 influencers were responsible for nearly 65% of anti-vaccine content on Facebook and Twitter. “Many of these leading anti-vaxxers are alternative health entrepreneurs … They’re reaching millions of users every day,” says Callum Hood of the CCDH. “This is a serious problem. Vaccine hesitancy has become a difficult and entrenched obstacle to dealing with the Covid-19 pandemic.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/11/injecting-poison-will-never-make-you-healthy-how-the-wellness-industry-turned-its-back-on-covid-science

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14 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

Here's a controversial question:

Should anyone ever take any religious advice from anti-vaxxers, considering their abysmal level of critical thinking and logic, their narcissism, fear-mongering, and fearfulness? 

I would say no. Their ideas are too detached from reality.

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5 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

I would say no. Their ideas are too detached from reality.

ye their ideas are too detached from reality. Or perhaps your refusal of the truth is too detached from reality that you wouldn't be able to comprehend what's being said. Your mind can't handle what's not comfortable.

 

at 1:42:54

 

ye........

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On 11/10/2021 at 6:19 PM, SoRoUsH said:

Here's a controversial question:

Should anyone ever take any religious advice from anti-vaxxers, considering their abysmal level of critical thinking and logic, their narcissism, fear-mongering, and fearfulness? 

Here's an controversial answer: Probably not, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has commanded: يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِن جَآءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌۢ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓا۟ أَن تُصِيبُوا۟ قَوْمًۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا۟ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَـٰدِمِينَ

O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. (49:6)

Not only is their critical thinking is atrocious and leaving much to be desired, they are disobeying Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and being willfully ignorant. They don't know where exactly the theories come from but still put the idol of QAnon in their heart anyway. They don't give a hoot wherever you have family are that vulnerable to COVID-19, vaccines are a threat to their arrogant and stupid beliefs. You seen how angry and abusive they get if you consider or get the vaccine, did you ever wonder why? It's because deep down inside in their conscience, they know that they are wrong and don't care about the truth, they only care about themselves. If everyone gets vaccinated, they will look stupid. So they protect their ego by connecting the vaccines with NWO or saying you are brain-washed when you give them undeniable facts or get vaccinated yourself. The QAnon conspiracy theories have divided families, do they care? Speaking and gauging from personal experience, the answer seems to be no, not really. Servering of family ties doesn't seem to affect them as badly as the idea that they might be wrong. Truly one of the most arrogant mindsets to have, not too dissimilar to Iblees (la)

Let me ask you this, Soroush, would you take religious advice from a person who trusts an unknown fasiq over Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)?

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2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

They don't know where exactly the theories come from but still put the idol of QAnon in their heart anyway.

I never followed qanon. Are you following polytheist because some happen to be pro covid vax, and so are you? Same logic that you used.

 

2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. (49:6)

Alhamdulillah! SubhanAllah! Allahu Akbar, Allahumma salli ala muhammadin wa ‘ala muhammad wa ajeeel farajahom!!!!

What a beautiful verse!!!

How come you are using this verse against thyself? Do you not see what it's saying? you people are following disobedient ones, those who don't know Allah, those who don't fear Allah, those who don't have any empathy to human lives. you people are not investigating and turn a blind eye on everyone who have been affected by the vaccine, turning a blind eye to thousands of scientist, ceos, bioligist, viroligist, ex vaccine provider employees, creator of MRNA vaccine, creator of pcr-tests, people who have died, people who have suffered major side effects, I can fill this entire page of everyone of you people are ignoring. You are the ignorant one blindly following fasiqs who take the order from other fasiqs.

What investigation have you done? please tell me! Have you not turned a blind eye to the thousands scientists opposing the restrictions and covid vaccine, some who lost their license? Yet you are using this verse against the people who are doing the investigation, who don't put their trust and lives in the fasiqs. Who don't put themselves nor their children for clinical trials. Yet we are the ignorant ones? My God! what has happened to humanity.

You only see it from one side which is the covid19. I don't see it from one side, I try to see it from all sides even though I will never fully grasp what really is going on.

Alhamdulillah for not being amongst the ignorant ones. What a beautiful verse.

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8 minutes ago, slavelight said:

How come you are using this verse against thyself? Do you not see how what it's saying? Thee are following disobedient ones, those who don't know Allah, those who don't fear Allah. Thee are not investigating and turn a blind eye on everyone who have been affected by the vaccine. You only see it from one side which is the covid19.

Why do you say that I am using the ayah against myself? You don't know anything about me, what I know  or even what side I see the issue from. I got the vaccine, I am alive and well, no major side effects, alhamdulllilah. The anti-vax/Qanon people are endangering society with their ignorance  and perversely justifying it with religon. The anti-vax argument has never been about the vaccines, it is and always have been a form of politicized mass hysteria from social media.  In fact, nobody cared about what was in a vaccine until the COVID-19 pandemic happened.  I have seen much disrespect towards scholars over the issues regarding the vaccine, again, no shame in their ridiculous hysterics. 

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