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On 1/13/2021 at 11:07 PM, Son of Placid said:

Some more skeptic than I about everything, and none ready to take a vaccine before it's proven safe. 

 

On 1/14/2021 at 12:06 AM, hasanhh said:

l read somewhere yesterday, Wednesday, that 1-in-4 doctors and nurses do not want the vaccine.

Found similar. From a December 2020 survey of lntensive Care Professionals by the German Health Ministry. 1 in 4 doctors and 1 in 2 nurses.

https://www.dw.com/en/vaccination-why-are-some-medical-workers-hesitant/av-56200003#spark_wn=1 

 

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This is the kind of article that inflicts a sense of impending doom (inshallah).

https://www.apnews.com/article/coronavirus-mutations-rising-f471eca388965ee95cd1e324c4e239d8 

-mutants are accelerating at a rate faster than can be detected.

2] Some of the categories of mutations: Human Coronavirus Types:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-strains#1 

3] The Three Mutations dominating medical concerns at the moment; UK B.1.1.7 , S.Africa 1.351 , Brazil P.1

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/transmission/variant.html 

4] California:  :helpsos:   L452R apparently "vaccine resistant"

https://www.deadline.com/2021/01/another-new-covid-19-variant-in-l-a-vaccine-resistant-denmark-1234675834/ 

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35 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

This is the kind of article that inflicts a sense of impending doom (inshallah).

https://www.apnews.com/article/coronavirus-mutations-rising-f471eca388965ee95cd1e324c4e239d8 

-mutants are accelerating at a rate faster than can be detected.

2] Some of the categories of mutations: Human Coronavirus Types:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-strains#1 

3] The Three Mutations dominating medical concerns at the moment; UK B.1.1.7 , S.Africa 1.351 , Brazil P.1

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/transmission/variant.html 

4] California:  :helpsos:   L452R apparently "vaccine resistant"

https://www.deadline.com/2021/01/another-new-covid-19-variant-in-l-a-vaccine-resistant-denmark-1234675834/ 

You have to wonder how much is actually true. They all can say pretty much whatever they want with nothing to back it up because everything after the announcement is "confidential". 

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1 hour ago, Son of Placid said:

You have to wonder

What l was thinking while l entered the info above (today's post op.cit.) was if the only reason we do not get better information is because these 'keyboarders' in the media -who have no science education for the largest part- only parrot what some other keyboarder writes. Never looking things up for themselves.

Today's example: for however long l heard about the S.Africa mutation and in the last two days the one in Brazil and now find out  the identifiers for S.A. 1.351 and Bzl P.1 . And the L452R was known of last March (but not its apparent, current mRNA resistance).

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If I'm not mistaken, all the current 'Covid-19 Vaccines' being shot up the arms of the vulnerable/elderly/front line staff are in fact, only 'Investigational /Experimental Vaccines'; still under clinical trials, but have had 'Emergency Use Authorizations (EUA)' due to the pandemic.

 Vaccines go through years and years of clinical trials to ensure safety and efficacy before being shot up the arms of our most vulnerable. 

Omitting the word (proper description) of these 'Investigational/Experimental' vaccines by health officials and the media is misleading at best.

 

 

Edit: More info https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/vaccines/vaccines/

 

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WARNING: An unnerving read.

Subj:  P.1 ,  now a P.2  and the E484K  (the "immune escape" mutation)

https://www.nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-we-know-about-the-p1-variant-of-the-coronavirus.html  

P.2 is currently found in Brazil and Japan (which explains why NHK has been describing Japanese gov't meetings and authoritative proposals as emergency.)

P.2 was first published on 12Jan21

This article helps explain the above:  https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6527/329 

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lf you are of the opinion that the US vaccine roll out is "inadequate, it is worse in the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52380823 

There is also a row developing/existing between vaccine suppliers and EU gov'ts and allegations of "diverting" vaccine. Reported by DeutscheWelle and also by the BBC here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55805903 

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@starlight Sorry to impose, but can you explain this to me in simpler terms, please.

One part l do believe l understand is where directed monoclonal  antibodies (the protein) did not prevent "escape" of the 501Y. At that this was demonstrated in a lab apparatus. ?:cryhappy:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210120/South-African-SARS-CoV-2-variant-escapes-antibody-neutralization.aspx

l can only kinda-follow-along, so is their a simpler explanation for the articles contents?

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Here is a general read, ~4minutes

P.1 Variant --the article is a 25Jan Update

https://www.nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-we-know-about-the-p1-variant-of-the-coronavirus.html 

 

Else where: the P.2 appears to be a "convergent selection" in Rio de Janeiro and has not been -as-yet- designated a variant.

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@hasanhh When any antigen(microorganism, foreign object) gains entry into our body, antibodies specific to that antigen are produced by our immune system. This is called the 'primary immune response' and memory from the first assault(infection) is stored in our immune system.

So if the same antigen invades again our immune system already has prepared antibodies and hence fights back even rapidly and stronger, not allowing the antigen to cause disease. This subsequent response is the called the secondary antibody/ immune response'. 

This immune memory and secondary response is what forms the basis of immunization. But in this paper it says that the virus has mutated to an extent that our immune system does not recognize it as the same antigen and hence the antibodies produced in the primary response are useless against it. 

Is it clear now? I can make it simpler?

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Pre-Notes:

Novavax -a Maryland company; above on 29January

E484K -mutation that allows a virus to evade some human anti-bodies

Description: an introductory level discussion on variants, including P.1 and P.2

A 20 minute read, original date 27Jan; updated 3x the last time on 09Feb.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210127-covid-19-variants-how-mutations-are-changing-the-pandemic 

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On 1/29/2021 at 5:39 AM, Diaz said:

Hey guys are you planning to take the vaccine or no? 

 

On 1/29/2021 at 7:22 AM, hasanhh said:

You should start a poll.

@Diaz Thanks for the poll:

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235069778-are-you-going-to-take-the-vaccine/

 

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Why Norway has halted using Oxford-Astrogenica vaccine:

Low platelet counts and hemorrhages in 4 people under 50 and their blood clots. https://news.yahoo.com/norway-vaccine-concern-over-blood-124652289.html 

lnitial suspensions: Austria, Thailand, Denmark and lceIand: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-reports-of-blood-clots.html 

Now Germany, France, Italy, Latvia and others have also suspended Ox-Astra because of reported thomboembolic  events.

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5 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Why Norway has halted using Oxford-Astrogenica vaccine:

Low platelet counts and hemorrhages in 4 people under 50 and their blood clots. https://news.yahoo.com/norway-vaccine-concern-over-blood-124652289.html 

lnitial suspensions: Austria, Thailand, Denmark and lceIand: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-reports-of-blood-clots.html 

Now Germany, France, Italy, Latvia and others have also suspended Ox-Astra because of reported thomboembolic  events.

What's your honest opinion on  this "from vs with" debate in relation to covid19 deaths vs vaccine injuries/deaths?

https://off-guardian.org/2021/03/15/when-it-comes-to-vaccines-suddenly-from-vs-with-matters-again/

If they want to define a “Covid death” as dying within 60 days of a positive test, fine. But then anyone who dies within two months of getting vaccinated is a “vaccine death”. And they should have those two big red numbers counting up, right next to each other, on the front page of every news website in the world.

And if they don’t do that – which they obviously won’t – then you have a deliberately employed double standard, and that is a tacit admission of intentional deception.

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1 hour ago, justAnothermuslim said:

What's your honest opinion

Factually, l saw that doctor on TV when he gave that quote.

The article reminded me of my father back in the 60's. This is when the pollution hype and cancer scares were rampant. The men were talking about something 'causing cancer' and my dad said, ~"Yeah, don't eat, don't drink and don't breathe and in a few minutes you will die a healthy death."

l am not exaggerating.

More seriously, the article points out problems in counting C-l9 deaths. Actual and probable are combined by some countries, especially in the beginning of this pandemic. Now, accurate testing is dominant. Coincidence should not be a PR debate.

l do not know anything about thrombosis and the like, but l am skeptical because that a small amount of any vaccines medium could do this.

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AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine.

It is made from a weakened version of a common cold virus (known as an adenovirus) from chimpanzees. It has been modified to look more like coronavirus - although it can't cause illness. Once injected, it teaches the body's immune system how to fight the real virus, should it need to.

Any particular reason for not taking the real SARS-Cov-2 virus and modified it not to cause illness?

On 3/16/2021 at 8:32 PM, hasanhh said:

Factually, l saw that doctor on TV when he gave that quote.

The article reminded me of my father back in the 60's. This is when the pollution hype and cancer scares were rampant. The men were talking about something 'causing cancer' and my dad said, ~"Yeah, don't eat, don't drink and don't breathe and in a few minutes you will die a healthy death."

l am not exaggerating.

More seriously, the article points out problems in counting C-l9 deaths. Actual and probable are combined by some countries, especially in the beginning of this pandemic. Now, accurate testing is dominant. Coincidence should not be a PR debate.

l do not know anything about thrombosis and the like, but l am skeptical because that a small amount of any vaccines medium could do this.

Today, it seems to me science is turning more like a religion: differing parties and each party believes it’s on the truth. Just like religion, we should respect each other’s belief and try to live in peace.

With respect to Covid-19:-

Some believe vaccines are safe and these are the vaccine-pushers.

Some believe there’s a genuine safety issue and these are the vaccine-hesitants.

Some believe it’s a hoax and these are the vaccine-deniers.

The letter below mentions about blood-clotting.

https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/urgent-open-letter-from-doctors-and-scientists-to-the-european-medicines-agency-regarding-covid-19-f6e17c311595

 

Some believe a RT-PCR test is a gold-standard in detecting SARS-Cov-2 virus.

Some believe a RT-PCR test is flawed and the probability is only 3% of those tested +ve is actually infected with SARS-Cov-2, when CT (Cycle Threshold) is greater than 35.

[QUOTE]

Most PCR assays are constructed based on the German Drosten et al. Protocol. On November 27th 2020, 22 scientists submitted a request for retraction of this protocol which was published in the journal Eurosurveillance, citing a number of fatal design flaws.

https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/?fbclid=IwAR3kaAj43yFTKtRvc5yuFToH7sU3GcxNM4S8hXj3Aabz7uIkQSNeoyCD2pw

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3. The number of amplification cycles (less than 35; preferably 25-30 cycles);

In case of virus detection, >35 cycles only detects signals which do not correlate with infectious virus as determined by isolation in cell culture [reviewed in 2]; if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the case in most laboratories in Europe & the US), the probability that said person is actually infected is less than 3%, the probability that said result is a false positive is 97% [reviewed in 3]

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These are severe design errors, since the test cannot discriminate between the whole virus and viral fragments. The test cannot be used as a diagnostic for SARS-viruses.[/QUOTE]

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Though popular shorthand often refers to it as just the Moderna vaccine, it was developed in partnership with the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID). American taxpayers provided $6bn in late-stage development funds, in return for potential vaccine doses. It was also tested on Americans, who volunteered for research across 99 research sites.

“It is literally the people’s vaccine,” said Maybarduk.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-global-disparity

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So, my little sister and her husband got their "jabs" yesterday. The J&J 'Janssen' jab.

He went to mosque last night and came back feeling sick. She got a headache -which is much better now. But he is now, today, sick in bed. So sick he couldn't do salah. lf you knew this man, he'd have to be flat-on-your-back, half-dead sick for him not to pray.

Some people do react to vaccines. Forty-five years ago, my childhood dentist was one of the twelve who died from the Swine-flu vaccine.

l know these things are very rare, but couldn't a sensitivity test -like for testing allergies- be developed?

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