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People who peddle junk often mix in a little truth to sell it.

Certainly as an avid supporter of vaccines, I would not be the first in the queue to get one.

I can't find the right thread for this, so this will have to do for the time being:

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2 hours ago, Diaz said:

What create the problem? 

He thinks the governments released the virus on purpose. It's basically a conspiracy theory, and then after everyone gets panicked the government releases a vaccine which anti-vaxers claim will "condition" your psychological behaviour... 

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35 minutes ago, Vindemiatrix said:

He thinks the governments released the virus on purpose. It's basically a conspiracy theory, and then after everyone gets panicked the government releases a vaccine which anti-vaxers claim will "condition" your psychological behaviour... 

Have you read some of the stuff the CIA has been forced to release? How could you discount it as "basically a conspiracy theory"? Did you know that referring to them as "Conspiracy Theories" is literally a conspiracy by the CIA to discredit all of them? So when anyone says something, people like you will say "Oh that's just a conspiracy theory." 

satan isn't just sitting around, he is actively plotting and scheming to ruin humanity.

http://www.jfklancer.com/CIA.html

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5 hours ago, notme said:

I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person, but some of y'all are trying to get people killed. 

There's no vaccine, so steer clear of sick people and wash your hands. When/if a vaccine is produced, please keep in mind that immune compromised individuals, such as sick or very young people, rely on "herd immunity". Feel free to carefully research the safety of the vaccine, but then get it. 

If you want to inject your babies with 10+ different vaccines before they have even reached the age of 2, go ahead. 

But don't tell others to get it just because you are convinced that vaccines are safe and good for our well being. 

Are there no better alternatives than to vaccinate oneself? Like really 0 other options available? Is it only:

1.take vaccines

2.die, spread diseases. 

One of the ways to control the humans/cattles(because that's how we are being treated as) is through the emotion fear since that is one of the strongest emotion. That emotion amongst many other emotions are being used against us through various means of sources, one which is the media. And they are very successful at it. 

"50 dead in new deadly virus!!! 4 of them being babies! 8 in hospital with severe conditions!" 

I also love the fact that how people into vaccines use terms like "herd immunity", meanwhile they have no idea what it really means or how it works. 

Im not pro nor anti. But I do enjoy the reactions from the public everytime there is a "deadly outbreak". 

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1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

But don't tell others to get it just because you are convinced that vaccines are safe and good for our well being. 

I did say research it. And if you don't understand the information that is available ask your doctor or an immunologist and study whatever background texts you need. Don't simply dismiss it because you don't understand. 

And then, after that, get the shot for the sake of herd immunity. 

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2 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Well considering the fact that we are here in the end of times and quite a lot has happened since the beginning of 2020, yeah we should be fearful.

 

Where did u even get that conspiracy theory anwyay?

You should only fear Allah. 

Which "conspiracy theory" are you talking about? This is no conspiracy theory. Every year there is an outbreak, and every year the public react the same. 

2 hours ago, notme said:

I did say research it. And if you don't understand the information that is available ask your doctor or an immunologist and study whatever background texts you need. Don't simply dismiss it because you don't understand. 

And then, after that, get the shot for the sake of herd immunity. 

Why would I ask a doctor thats job is to get everyone injected with vaccines and sell the product of the pharmaceutical companies.

Doctors whos job is to give vaccine shots and information are no different than coca cola salesman whos job is to convince you that it's good for you and not damaging for your teeth. 

They are all salesman, the only difference is that they are working in different fields. 

Immunologist isn't much different. 

By the way, there are many doctors and Immunologist who have spoken out about this many times. How vaccines are seen like some kind of holy grail with not much questions being asked. And the only ones to asks the questions about vaccines are doctors whos job is to give it to you. 

That's like me walking into a Sunni mosque and ask them why Sunni Islam is the correct path. 

Let me also add that many of researches/data could be fraudulent. Especially when reputation and money is on stake.

 

What does one believe /do then? Simple, start by not following the herd. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

Blindly not following is exactly the same as blindly following. If you don't trust doctors, study and do your own research. You can't call a thing false simply because you don't understand it. 

And that's why I said I am neither For nor anti. Trusting doctors, studying and doing your own research are 3 different things, and not necessarily is the conclusion the same.

what did I call false?

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2 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Doctors whos job is to give vaccine shots and information are no different than coca cola salesman whos job is to convince you that it's good for you and not damaging for your teeth. 

God forbid if I ever catch a disease I’ll make sure to come to you for help

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2 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

y the way, there are many doctors and Immunologist who have spoken out about this many times. How vaccines are seen like some kind of holy grail with not much questions being asked. And the only ones to asks the questions about vaccines are doctors whos job is to give it to you

If it weren’t for those vaccines that you’re so anti about, we would’ve all been dead ages ago. As far as I know that some vaccinations may have done some harm to others, it sure has done a lot of good to prevent further outbreaks

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5 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

And what's wrong with vaccinations?

Well if you believe injecting yourself and your children with a virus is going to make you healthier in the future, rather than getting it convetionally as was the norm back in the days, before the big pharma saw $$ then I won't be saying much. Since this will just go back and forth, and I am not very knowledgeable in this area. However I do take my information from people who are knowledgeable in this area.

 

Have you checked the ingredients of the vaccines that is given to small children? do you know some of the harms they do to their bodies? are the documents fraudulent? is there a monetary incentive behind vaccines? is there other incetive that we don't know about? what about all the new vaccines that comes out every year like if they are not even regulated anymore. Have you made your own research into it? I am not anti vax. I am for the truth

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9 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

And what's wrong with vaccinations?

Google about risks of those. 
I don't say we should(n't) but there is some interesting knowledge about this

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11 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

And what's wrong with vaccinations?

In principle vaccinations are great, but can easily be abused. 

Bill Gates suggests using vaccines to control population

The people in charge aren't really to be trusted in my opinion.

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12 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

In principle vaccinations are great, but can easily be abused. 

 

I think the evidence so far is that if you want to control the population don't vaccinate.

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More than 140,000 die from measles as cases surge worldwide

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/05-12-2019-more-than-140-000-die-from-measles-as-cases-surge-worldwide

 

We may need to spin this off into another thread.

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5 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

I think the evidence so far is that if you want to control the population don't vaccinate.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/05-12-2019-more-than-140-000-die-from-measles-as-cases-surge-worldwide

 

We may need to spin this off into another thread.

I wouldn't trust the numbers, intentions and agenda of the WHO that is part of the same world organizations that are controlled by the world movers of today.

We do, however have sold evidence that whatever can be abused by the top world powerful people, usually gets abused. 

What do you think Bill Gates meant by this?

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19 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

In principle vaccinations are great, but can easily be abused. 

Bill Gates suggests using vaccines to control population

The people in charge aren't really to be trusted in my opinion.

I partially agree. They can not be trusted at all. But vaccinations work. Take tetanus and rabies for instance which require vaccination to avoid an otherwise lethal disease. Polio is pretty much gone because of vaccines. They have managed to control their population through greatly facilitating homoism, new age feminism, unjust divorce laws, abortion, contraceptives, pornography, encouraging "free living" / pairing / prostitution etc.

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11 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

I wouldn't trust the numbers, intentions and agenda of the WHO that is part of the same world organizations that are controlled by the world movers of today.

We do, however have sold evidence that whatever can be abused by the top world powerful people, usually gets abused. 

What do you think Bill Gates meant by this?

 

Here's a specific example of the damage that not vaccinating can do:

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As of April 10, at least 285 people in New York City — mainly in Brooklyn’s Williamsburg and Borough Park neighborhoods — had fallen ill. In nearby Rockland County, 168 people have caught the virus. The outbreaks have prompted health officials in both areas to declare states of emergency. In the city, officials ordered mandatory immunizations among unvaccinated people on Tuesday, threatening those who opt out with fines. Nearby Rockland took the unusual step of barring anyone under the age of 18 who hadn’t been vaccinated for measles from public places for 30 days in March. That order that was put on hold by a judge ten days later.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/11/9/18068036/measles-new-york-orthodox-jewish-community-vaccines

 

I am afraid that as far as I am concerned the risks of not vaccinating are based on solid evidence, in a number of different countries, with the information coming from a diverse range of sources. Of course anything can be abused, but all I am hearing is the potential for that abuse rather than it actually taking place.

Ultimately we are all answerable to God for actions we may have taken and opinions we may have espoused that lead to people dying. Discussions about issues such as vaccinations are not to be taken lightly. I am reasonably comfortable with my position.

 

As for what Bill Gates meant ... you may want to read what Snopes has to say:

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In other words, Gates is not interested in using vaccines to reduce the population by using them as an agent of death or a tool to sterilize unsuspecting masses. Rather, Gates is interested in keeping more children alive in order to reduce the need for parents to have more children, thus limiting the overall population growth rate.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

 

Over nearly a couple of decades now I have found Snopes to be a reliable source of information. And the above makes eminent sense to me.

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It is very difficult to get true information, when the likes of the UN - WHO and their sister/parent/daughter organizations try their best to brainwash society of their reliability. I personally vaccinated my daughter, because I don't know which ones are real and which ones are fake, but I'm pretty sure that they slip some mind-dumbing, or infertility-causing stuff under the radar of mainstream society.

As for the theory that preventing children from dying is a form of lowering world population is totally far fetched to me. If a child dies, then then is one child less, and even if the parents decide to have another baby because of that, then it ends up the same as if that life-saving vaccine is used or? The snopes theory doesn't make logic sense to me.

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In other words, Gates is not interested in using vaccines to reduce the population by using them as an agent of death or a tool to sterilize unsuspecting masses. Rather, Gates is interested in keeping more children alive in order to reduce the need for parents to have more children, thus limiting the overall population growth rate.

let's focus on this statement for a bit.

we have two hypothetical scenarios:

1 - Vaccine is given and saves the child's life, making this one extra person on the population tally (example 3 in case of a family with first-born)

2 - Vaccine is not given, killing their child, and then they make another baby - 

 

so the difference in scenario 1 & 2 is actually that all the vaccine would make is to increase population, as there is no guarantee that the next attempt of having a baby would work, and there would be a delay as well.

How does the Snopes theory make sense?

How can a life saving vaccine help in population reduction?

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On 3/23/2020 at 3:40 AM, 313 Seeker said:

but I'm pretty sure that they slip some mind-dumbing, or infertility-causing stuff under the radar of mainstream society.

There have been occasions where this has been done by regimes/countries who have wanted to wipe out a particular group of people, but it gets found out within a short period of time. 

On 3/23/2020 at 3:40 AM, 313 Seeker said:

As for the theory that preventing children from dying is a form of lowering world population is totally far fetched to me. If a child dies, then then is one child less, and even if the parents decide to have another baby because of that, then it ends up the same as if that life-saving vaccine is used or? The snopes theory doesn't make logic sense to me.

A couple decide to have a child the problem is that they don't know how long it will live.

So in order to have one or two children live to maturity (which is a sensible goal) they have 4 or 5 children. That is what causes over-population.

But if they could be guaranteed via vaccinations (and other forms of help) that the 1-2 children who are born will live to maturity they would not have 4-5 and thus overpopulation would be reduced.

This is not a theory this is a well known fact of human behaviour.

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40 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

I partially agree. They can not be trusted at all. But vaccinations work. Take tetanus and rabies for instance which require vaccination to avoid an otherwise lethal disease. Polio is pretty much gone because of vaccines. They have managed to control their population through greatly facilitating homoism, new age feminism, unjust divorce laws, abortion, contraceptives, pornography, encouraging "free living" / pairing / prostitution etc.

Yes, we are to be careful of people's intentions. There is always a chance that hezbul Shaytan has evil intentions under the fake pretext of vaccinations. They could inject other things without us knowing. It is always a possibility, and we should be vigilant and study what is going on.

Let me remind that WHO is part of the UN, which was founded by Truman, who also gave the order to throw the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he was the first world leader to recognize Israel, and founded NATO. There is a good chance that forced vaccination is part of a satanic/dajjalistic world agenda for harming us, God forbid.

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27 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

This is not a theory this is a well known fact of human behaviour.

When looking at reality of places like poor areas of the Middle East and Africa, people never stop having kids. It's normal to have 12 kids, and birth control is not really on the menu. I think that this behavior is maybe part of modern western society. Come to the third world and you will see that facts change across the geographic and cultural lines.

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fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate    watch the video in the link, it's 10 minutes long if you don't want to read the text.

Today we investigate one of the biggest medical controversies of our time: vaccines. There’s little dispute about this much-- vaccines save many lives, and rarely, they injure or kill. A special federal vaccine court has paid out billions for injuries from brain damage to death. But not for the form of brain injury we call autism. Now—we have remarkable new information: a respected pro-vaccine medical expert used by the federal government to debunk the vaccine-autism link, says vaccines can cause autism after all. He claims he told that to government officials long ago, but they kept it secret.

Yates Hazlehurst was born February 11, 2000. Everything was normal, according to his medical records, until he suffered a severe reaction to vaccinations. Rolf Hazlehurst is Yates’ dad.

Rolf Hazlehurst: And at first, I didn't believe it. I did not think that, I did not believe that vaccines could cause autism. I didn't believe it.

But there's a hard reality for Yates. The trademark brain disease, pain and inability to communicate that’s common with severe autism.

In 2007, Yates’ father sued over his son’s injuries in the little known Federal Vaccine court. It was one of more than 5000 vaccine autism claims.

Congress created vaccine court in 1988, in consultation with the pharmaceutical industry. In the special court, vaccine makers don’t defend their products—the federal government does it for them, using lawyers from the Justice Department. Money for victims comes from us, not the pharmaceutical industry, through patient fees added onto every vaccine given.

Denise Vowell: Our hearings are all closed to the public. And that’s statutory.

In 2007, Yates’ case and nearly all the other vaccine autism claims lost. The decision was based largely on the expert opinion of this man, Dr.. Andrew Zimmerman, a world-renowned pediatric neurologist shown here at a lecture.

Dr.. Zimmerman was the government’s top expert witness and had testified that vaccines didn’t cause autism. The debate was declared over.

But now Dr.. Zimmerman has provided remarkable new information. He claims that during the vaccine hearings all those years ago, he privately told government lawyers that vaccines can, and did cause autism in some children. That turnabout from the government’s own chief medical expert stood to change everything about the vaccine-autism debate. If the public were to find out.

Hazlehurst: And he has come forward and explained how he told the United States government vaccines can cause autism in a certain subset of children and United States government, the Department of Justice suppressed his true opinions.

Hazlehurst discovered that later when Dr.. Zimmerman evaluated Yates as a teenager. That’s when he partnered with vaccine safety advocate Robert F. Kennedy, Junior—who has a voice condition.

Kennedy: This was one of the most consequential frauds, arguably in human history.

Kennedy was instrumental in convincing Dr.. Zimmerman to document his remarkable claim of the government covering up his true expert opinion on vaccines and autism.

Dr.. Zimmerman declined our interview request and referred us to his sworn affidavit. It says: On June 15, 2007, he took aside the Department of Justice—or DOJ lawyers he worked for defending vaccines in vaccine court. He told them that he’d discovered “exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.” “I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder.”

Kennedy: This panicked the two DOJ attorneys and they immediately fired Zimmerman. That was on a Friday and over the weekend they called Zimmerman and said his services would no longer be needed. They wanted to silence him.

Days after the Department of Justice lawyers fired Dr.. Zimmerman as their expert witness, he alleges, they went on to misrepresent his opinion to continue to debunk autism claims. Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney Dr.. Zimmerman spoke to told vaccine court, “We know [Dr.. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue...There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism. Dr.. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading.”

The former DOJ lawyer didn’t return our calls and emails. Kennedy has filed a fraud complaint with the Justice Department Inspector General, who told us they don’t “comment on investigations or potential investigations.”

Meantime, CDC—which promotes vaccines and monitors vaccine safety-- never disclosed that the government’s own one-time medical expert concluded vaccines can cause autism - and to this day public health officials deny that’s the case.

Dr.. Anne Schuchat: “Based on dozens of studies and everything I know as a physician and a scientist, there’s no link between autism and vaccines.”

CDC declined our interview request. In addition to filing a fraud complaint, Kennedy has delivered Dr.. Zimmerman’s affidavit to leaders on Capitol Hill. But there he claims, is another key part of this story: roadblocks set up by the pharmaceutical industry—or PhRMA.

Kennedy: But everybody takes money from PhRMA so they've all been corrupted. And it's almost impossible to get anything done on Capitol Hill.

Kennedy, a Democrat, isn’t the only one claiming vaccine industry money rules the day. We spoke to 11 current and former members of Congress and staff who claim they faced pressure, bullying or threats when they raised vaccine safety questions. Several of them agreed to appear on camera.

Burton: There's no question in my mind whatsoever that the pharmaceutical industry had a great influence with people over at the CDC and FDA. There's no question in my mind.

Republican Dan Burton—former Chairman of the House Oversight Committee—has an autistic grandson.

Burton: I am not against vaccinations.

He pursued vaccine investigations in the early 2000s. Beth Clay was one of his staffers.

Clay: There was a lot of pressure from people on the Hill.

When you say people on the hill were exerting pressure, what kind of people? Colleagues?

Clay: Colleagues, there were pharmaceutical lobbyists. The pharmaceutical lobbyists had, you know, they are the same people that have been entrenched. They can walk into any office in Capitol Hill, and they'll talk to staff, they'll talk to members and they'll encourage them to discourage, our investigation.

Sharyl: At the risk of stating the obvious why did they have that kind of access to members?

Clay: It's money. And if you look at the donations over the last 20 years, the pharmaceutical industry, and Republican and Democrat, they're nonpartisan. They put money everywhere.

Former Congressman, Dr.. Dave Weldon, a Republican, says he got the message loud and clear.

Sharyl: If you would want to hold a hearing on an issue like vaccines and autism, your own leadership might fight you on that because of the financial influence, the pharmaceutical industry

Dave Weldon: They wouldn’t fight you. They’d kill it. It's dead. They don't even want to discuss it. It's dead on arrival. If you, if you as an individual member want to take on the pharmaceutical industries. It's forget it.

Sharyl: Can you describe an incident or just how it, how that would go?

Weldon: It would typically be in a hallway or the street and people would come up to you and say, “You know, you really need to, you know, back off on this. It could be, it could be bad for the community or bad for the country or bad for you.”

Weldon says he’s generally pro-vaccine, depending on the patient and the shot—and gives flu shots to adults. We asked him to review Dr.. Zimmerman’s new affidavit.

Weldon: I found his affidavit and testimony through that affidavit to be consistent with my opinions. That some children can get an autism spectrum disorder from a vaccine.

Republican Bill Posey is a current member of Congress.

Rep. Bill Posey: I don’t have to tell you that industry is a very, very powerful industry. Matter of fact, I don’t know of anyone more powerful than that industry.

Posey says his own party leaders twice promised to hold hearings on the topic, only to scuttle them in the end.

Hazlehurst – who happens to be a criminal prosecutor-- was scheduled to be a witness at one such Congressional hearing. Two weeks before the hearing in 2013, he briefed Congressional staff.

Hazlehurst: I presented at that Congressional briefing and I explained in that hearing, if I did to a criminal in a court of law what the United States Department of Justice did to vaccine injured children, I would be disbarred and I would be facing criminal charges. I think that scared the hell out of them.

The hearing was abruptly cancelled. Meantime, Dr.. Zimmerman – the one-time expert used to debunk vaccine autism claims—now says several of his own patients got autism from vaccines. They include Yates Hazlehurst.

Today, with intensive treatment, Yates is doing better. His dad hopes the new testimony from a most unlikely source will get new attention.

Hazlehurst: A child that was unnecessarily sacrificed and hopefully some good, will come from his suffering.

The lobby group representing the pharmaceutical industry wouldn’t agree to an interview but told us they’re working with Congress and other stakeholders on the importance and safety of vaccines to support the health and safety of individuals and communities.

 

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19 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

When looking at reality of places like poor areas of the Middle East and Africa, people never stop having kids. It's normal to have 12 kids, and birth control is not really on the menu. I think that this behavior is maybe part of modern western society. Come to the third world and you will see that facts change across the geographic and cultural lines.

 

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In this article, we examine the relationship between child mortality and subsequent fertility using prospective longitudinal data on births and childhood deaths occurring to nearly 8,000 Bangladeshi mothers observed over the 1982-1993 period, a time of rapid fertility decline. Generalized hazard-regression analyses are employed to assess the effect of infant and child mortality on the hazard of conception, with controls for birth order and maternal age and educational attainment. Results show that childhood mortality reduces the time to subsequent conception if the death occurs within a given interval, representing the combined effect of biological and volitional replacement. The time to conception is also reduced if a childhood death occurs during a prior birth interval, a finding that signifies an effect of volitional replacement of the child that died. Moreover, mortality effects in prior birth intervals are consistent with hypothesized insurance (or hoarding) effects. Interaction of replacement with elapsed time suggests that the volitional impact of child mortality increases as the demographic transition progresses. This volitional effect interacts with sex of index child. Investigation of higher-order interactions suggests that this gender-replacement effect has not changed over time.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/30053117?seq=1

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2 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I didn't know brother @Haji 2003 Had some NSA power, how he created a topic on my name =D

As an admin, I have access to your birth certificate and using that together with the special login afforded to me by the Freemasons and CIA, I can create threads on behalf of anyone.

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On 3/23/2020 at 4:37 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Thanks for the article, but this is by an organization that was founded by former President of eugenist society, and "planned parenthood", which has as one of its supporters the Church of Satan

The Qur'an tells us not to trust our enemies, which includes their narrative and information. Numbers and 'research' can be total lies.

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Here is the Vatican talking about it

MORAL REFLECTIONS ON VACCINES PREPARED FROM CELLS DERIVED FROM ABORTED HUMAN FOETUSES

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To summarize, it must be confirmed that:

  • there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems;
  • as regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the lawfulness of using the former in the meantime insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole - especially for pregnant women;
  • the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use, but is to be understood as being a passive material cooperation and, in its mildest and remotest sense, also active, morally justified as an extrema ratio due to the necessity to provide for the good of one's children and of the people who come in contact with the children (pregnant women);
  • such cooperation occurs in a context of moral coercion of the conscience of parents, who are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk. This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible.

 

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I can fully understand the view that there are times when you cannot trust government guidance.

This may be because governments are favouring the interests of some groups in society over yours, a lack of expertise in government and so on. These aren't conspiracies, to the extent that the UK government has been quite clear that they favour the shorter term economic interest.

I'll give you an example. The UK government has still not made social distancing mandatory. This is crazy and I have been following a set of rules that make more sense to me. I have neighbours who are not at rigorous at social distancing and when I ask why they say that the government is not forcing them, the government knows best and so on.

However when it comes to vaccines, I think the cost/benefit goes the other way.

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4 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

because governments are favouring the interests of some groups in society over yours

They favor the zionists, and anybody who says anything out of line for them is considered 'anti-semitic'. The term zionist is actually just in reference to mount zion, and the Jews who to return there and their Messiah to emerge. Seeing how they operate we can safely say that they are part of the AntiChrist movement. 

This movement is very real and can be proved in infinite ways, especially when analyzing the most visible part, which is the media. If you look at Hollywood and especially the music industry these become most obvious. Of course looking at politics one can also see that they are straight out satanic movements.

The English government has one of the most criminal pasts of any group of people in mankind. Their riches are all based on banditry and theft. The British government is allied with most countries such as Saudi Arabia and USA and Israel. And if you analyze it, you'll see that those borders are illusions, and that they are actually controlled by the same people, all the way to the top being Shaytan himself. So this is a war between good and evil, and both consider the other side insane. The sufiani movement is in parallel and synchronized with this anti christ movement. This is very real, and their grip of this Earth is very real. 

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So the bottom line @Haji 2003 is that the medical system of today is mostly 99.9% controlled by the anti christ sufiani satanic system. That includes the vaccinations. Don't expect them to share with you their real agendas with vaccinations. Even if there is some truth and goodness mixed with it.

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On 3/23/2020 at 8:14 AM, 313 Seeker said:

So the bottom line @Haji 2003 is that the medical system of today is mostly 99.9% controlled by the anti christ sufiani satanic system. That includes the vaccinations. Don't expect them to share with you their real agendas with vaccinations. Even if there is some truth and goodness mixed with it.

But you and I have both vaccinated our kids. And that is what it comes down to. How does the balance of the evidence stack up? And is it strong enough to behave differently.

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