Ayah 25:13-14

[Shahrukh K]

25:13. When they are bound (helpless) and thrown into a narrow space, they 
will plead for death (they will realize death is the only way out from the 
suffering that has befallen them).
14. “Wish for not one death but many deaths today!"

What is meaning of many deaths in this ayah ?

[hasanhh]

6 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

25:13. When they are bound (helpless) and thrown into a narrow space, they 
will plead for death (they will realize death is the only way out from the 
suffering that has befallen them).
14. “Wish for not one death but many deaths today!"

What is meaning of many deaths in this ayah ?

Using death as an escape mechanism many times over. Jehena is that terrible, dreadful, inshallah.

[eThErEaL]

11 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

25:13. When they are bound (helpless) and thrown into a narrow space, they 
will plead for death (they will realize death is the only way out from the 
suffering that has befallen them).
14. “Wish for not one death but many deaths today!"

What is meaning of many deaths in this ayah ?

So, unlike in our linear understanding of time, where there is an end point (one end point), the reality of that Day is ever present and as such cannot be quantified.  It is not a duration that can come to a final end, rather, it is constant, unchanging without end.  It is a Day that doesn’t pass by.  The non quantifiable aspect of this is probably what “Katheer” (many) means.  

[Shahrukh K]

1 hour ago, eThErEaL said:

unlike in our linear understanding of time, where there is an end point (one end point), the reality of that Day is ever present and as such cannot be quantified.  It is not a duration that can come to a final end, rather, it is constant, unchanging without end.  It is a Day that doesn’t pass by.  The non quantifiable aspect of this is probably what “Katheer” (many) means.  

What I understand from this ayah that we are already bound and thrown into narrow space where death is the only way out.

[eThErEaL]

7 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

What I understand from this ayah that we are already bound and thrown into narrow space where death is the only way out.

Some points to keep in mind:

1. The word used is “ثبور" not “موت". 
2. This verse is specifically about those who deny the Hour (الساعة).  What does “The Hour” really mean? 
3. With respect to calling out for ثبور.  Why many and not just once?

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by eThErEaL

[Ashvazdanghe]

1. It means Annihilation not death .

2.meaning of “The hour “ here is Raj’a in this world .

3.because it happens in this world so they want total Annihilation instead of death because they face hardship of death many times after reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) when they will see that all of their efforts destroys by Imam & his Shias that it will be more severe than multiple death for them so they will ask to be dust تراب because Imam Ali (عليه السلام) title was ابوتراب father of dust/Earth that his enemies were using to insult him & his followers but they will see reality in Raj’a & judgment day so they will wish to be dust in judgment day.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Ashvazdanghe

[Shahrukh K]

On 3/3/2020 at 8:34 PM, eThErEaL said:

The word used is “ثبور" not “موت". 

What is the difference ?

[eThErEaL]

1 hour ago, Shahrukh K said:

What is the difference ?

Snippet from The Study Qur'an.  

Edited March 5, 2020 by eThErEaL

[eThErEaL]

On 3/2/2020 at 11:10 PM, Shahrukh K said:

What I understand from this ayah that we are already bound and thrown into narrow space where death is the only way out.

You are trying to make this verse relevant for you here and now by making it have a spiritual significance for yourself.  Is this what you are doing?  
That is fine, but I would advice that we can’t force it.  We have to first see the literal meaning of the verse and make sense of it (at the level of the actual and literal meaning of the Arabic words and the grammar, and what the the tafaseer usually say).  And then you let it sit for a bit, submit to it, allow it, accept it.  Try to go along with the literal meaning and let it speak to you.  It is from here that a spiritual meaning may be disclosed to you.  If it doesn’t come, don’t worry about it.  you probably already know this though. 
 

In any case: So, now that we have examined the Tafseer and that we have some understanding of the words:  that ثبور can be “lamentation”, this is what is occurring right now as well. We are lamenting or suffering.  And it is not just once but it is an endless cycle (a vicious cycle).  We are chained to our attachments.  So this verse is also describing the spiritual state of ignorance right now.  Now, the denying of the Hour (Al-Saa’a) is the Denying of The Eternal Now.  Those who are not in the Now, are constantly suffering.  But they always think their suffering can come to an end in this linear sort of time.  But they fail to realize that this suffering is ongoing (it has no end) and will not cease so long as they avoid being in the Now.  

 

 

Edited March 5, 2020 by eThErEaL

[Shahrukh K]

On 3/5/2020 at 11:55 AM, eThErEaL said:

You are trying to make this verse relevant for you here and now by making it have a spiritual significance for yourself.  Is this what you are doing?  

For last few years I am only trying to find out why I am here, who I am.
With these question in my mind I read Qur'an and many other books belongs to other religion.
Now I realized it is difficult to know the answer. 
So now I only want to know how to get out from here.
I just want to cure my sense of "I". I believe that if I die with this sense of "I" than again I will be resurrected in Hell.

[eThErEaL]

9 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

For last few years I am only trying to find out why I am here, who I am.
With these question in my mind I read Qur'an and many other books belongs to other religion.
Now I realized it is difficult to know the answer. 
So now I only want to know how to get out from here.
I just want to cure my sense of "I". I believe that if I die with this sense of "I" than again I will be resurrected in Hell.

The problem is not your sense of I. You ARE (you exist) without any shadow of a doubt. You cannot deny this primordial sense of Self.  The  “I” Is with you wherever you are, there is no escape from who you already are.  The problem comes when we misidentify the I with this or that thing.  When we treat the I as a thing.  Sometimes we misidentify the Self with a body, sometimes with a mind, sometimes with a car, sometimes with a pain, sometimes with a feeling, sometimes with a thought, sometimes with a desire, sometimes with a location, sometimes with a time.  

Your car gets a dent, you say, “I need to get my dent repaired”. (Here, for just this moment, you have misidentified your Self with the car).  “I am short”, “I am tall” (here, you have misidentified your Self with the body).  “I am hungry”, (here, you have identified your Self with a rumbling stomach).  “I am sad”, “I am happy” (here, you have misidentified your Self with a feeling).   

What you misidentify with is constantly different and is never the same.  At every moment there is a new entity that arises from your Boundless, Unchanging, and Eternal Self.  They entity arises from, through, with and in your Self.  And so at every moment there is either an opportunity for us to identify with what arises (by being involved with it, by being attached to it, by being interested in it), or an opportunity for us to be interested in who we already are, the Eternal Self (by accepting the way things are, by gratefulness, by not wanting things to be other than they are, by allowing things to be, by submitting or offering them to your Self).

[eThErEaL]

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

For last few years I am only trying to find out why I am here, who I am.

“Why” Can only be asked for objects, for things subject to the analysis of a mind.  “Why” is only for things which have opposites, which have a beginning and an end, which come and go, which are subject to causality.  One should not ask why about the Self which is not subject to any coming or going, which does not undergo a process, which cannot be objectified by the mind.  The Self is simply not a “thing” at all. The Self is beyond the opposition of existing and non-existing. It is beyond the opposition of presence and absence.  The Self is beyond even the opposition of “beyond-ness” and “nearness”.  The Self is not inside anything, nor outside anything.  The Self is pure Being (not “being”, which is opposed to “non-being”, but Being).  This Self is who you really are.  You are Eternal, Unchanging, Boundless Awareness.

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

With these question in my mind I read Qur'an and many other books belongs to other religion.

Alright.  

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

Now I realized it is difficult to know the answer. 

it is not difficult.  It is very simple.  It is so simple that is humbling because it leaves us dumbfounded due to its extreme obviousness.  

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

So now I only want to know how to get out from here.

There is no “here” that is opposed to “there”.  This distinction between “here” and “there” is nothing but the mind’s way of framing whatever it experience.  Or if you like.  The opposition between “Here” and “there” are nothing but two thoughts.  The reality is that there is only an absolute Here.  You are always going to Here.  Even if you go to China, you are always going to be Here because you Self is always Intimate and Here.  You cannot run away from your Self. You don’t even move.  Movement is nothing but the illusion of the mind.  

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

I just want to cure my sense of "I".

you don’t need a cure because your Self is the Cure.  Everything you want is already in You.    

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 3/5/2020 at 9:55 AM, eThErEaL said:

You are trying to make this verse relevant for you here and now by making it have a spiritual significance for yourself.  Is this what you are doing?

Salam whole of interpreting of Qur'an is for understanding it by our spirituality not mind tricks & physical interpreting like as your link interpreted the word of Allah in lowest form of bringing a lamp from  Damascus or distorted Sufi teachings like as you make maze with your Sufi words but at the end whole of your posts are just dizzying post without real meaning that just good for practicing literature  but doesn’t has any meaning .

[eThErEaL]

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam whole of interpreting of Qur'an is for understanding it by our spirituality not mind tricks & physical interpreting like as your link interpreted the word of Allah in lowest form of bringing a lamp from  Damascus or distorted Sufi teachings like as you make maze with your Sufi words but at the end whole of your posts are just dizzying post without real meaning that just good for practicing literature  but doesn’t has any meaning .

Thanks.