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Is it true that only the act of homosexuality is haram or is being gay itself a sin? I have heard that Allah doesn't hold us accountable for our thoughts it's only our actions. I hate to admit that I am gay and I didn't chose to be this way. I have these feelings naturally and I am going through a very difficult phase of my life. I haven't committed any act of homosexuality, I fulfill as much of the religious obligations as I can and I don't want to be sent to hell. So is it being a homosexual itself which is a sin or is it only the actual act which is the sin? A lot of Muslims on such posts all over social media say that being gay is haram and if a person is gay they are a sinner. I don't want to live like I sinner every moment of my life however there is nothing I can do about it. I can't just click a button and change my sexuality. I don't have any control over this.

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14 hours ago, xx._Proudshia said:

Is it true that only the act of homosexuality is haram or is being gay itself a sin? I have heard that Allah doesn't hold us accountable for our thoughts it's only our actions. I hate to admit that I am gay and I didn't chose to be this way. I have these feelings naturally and I am going through a very difficult phase of my life. I haven't committed any act of homosexuality, I fulfill as much of the religious obligations as I can and I don't want to be sent to hell. So is it being a homosexual itself which is a sin or is it only the actual act which is the sin? A lot of Muslims on such posts all over social media say that being gay is haram and if a person is gay they are a sinner. I don't want to live like I sinner every moment of my life however there is nothing I can do about it. I can't just click a button and change my sexuality. I don't have any control over this.

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said: "Looking at a boy with lust is awarded with the sin of zina while mounting him is kufr." (The committer of this act apostates)

During his caliphate, he awarded death sentence to two homosexuals by collapsing stone walls over them. This punishment is from the Qur'anic exegesis and the accounts of how the nation of Loot (عليه السلام) was punished, which is that one stone would strike each homo in their head lethally and these stones each had the name of its target written over it and struck even those who were at the time away from their city as angels executed this historical, divine cleansing.

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2 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said: "Looking at a boy with lust is awarded with the sin of zina while mounting him is kufr." (The committer of this act apostates)

During his caliphate, he awarded death sentence to two homosexuals by collapsing stone walls over them. This punishment is from the Qur'anic exegesis and the accounts of how the nation of Loot (عليه السلام) was punished, which is that one stone would strike each homo in their head lethally and these stones each had the name of its target written over it and struck even those who were at the time away from their city as angels executed this historical, divine cleansing.

So basically I am a sinner and I deserve the same

 

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1 hour ago, SoRoUsH said:

Keep away from homosexual acts, such as sodomy. 

Regarding your thoughts and intentions, seek closeness with Allah and His awliya. Pray, fast, make dua, and sincerely seek their help and guidance. 

You can inform non-judgemental religious experts about your condition and circumstances. However, don't tell others. Many people can't and don't understand the complexity of your concerns and situation and will resort to negative judgement or advice, which in turn would make your situation worse. 

Focus on purifying your heart through staying away from evil deeds, and Inshallah your internal desires and inclinations will change for the better. 

It's not easy and it probably won't be easy for a while, but perhaps this is your trial in this life, and we all have our own specific trials. Always remember that as long as you're sincerely seeking Allah and His awliya, they will come to your aid. 

And never despair!

 

Keep in mind the following narrations:

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2011/10/mercy-of-Allah-to-believers.html

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2011/10/mercy-of-Allah.html

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2012/01/mercy-of-Allah-part-3.html

"1.)    If someone intends to do a good deed, and does not go through with it, he will be rewarded with one good deed because of his intention.

2.)   If someone intents to do a good deed, and does go through with it, he will be rewarded with ten good deeds.

3.)   If someone intends to do a bad deed, and does not go through with it, nothing will be written against him.

4.)   If someone intends to do a bad deed, and does go through with it, only one bad deed will be written against him."

Thanks for the reply. I do hope so. However its just painful to think that it might not be a trial and I might end up dying a sinner. May Allah have mercy on me.

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When has the Qur'an ever mentioned that we are held accountable for our thoughts or desires? As long as the sin isn't committed you're safe to my knowledge. For the sisters out there, whether you've ever had a male friend, he's most probably fantasized about having sex with you because of how weak we are in the face of women. Does that make us adulterers? We need to tame our bestial tendencies, whether you're straight or homosexual. 

As for your homosexuality, you need to find a way around it and get married to a woman eventually. Read the story of Lut in the Qur'an, see a therapist, spend less time with women if they're affecting your mentality. You'll need to work on it however you can. 

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17 hours ago, xx._Proudshia said:

I hate to admit that I am gay and I didn't chose to be this way. I have these feelings naturally and I am going through a very difficult phase of my life. I haven't committed any act of homosexuality. 

I have heard many straight male also have a phase in their life where they are attracted to another male. This will just be a phase and will go away if you resist yourself. Don't think much about it. Keep yourself busy as much as you can. 

Btw, how old are you? 

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18 hours ago, xx._Proudshia said:

Is it true that only the act of homosexuality is haram or is being gay itself a sin? I have heard that Allah doesn't hold us accountable for our thoughts it's only our actions. I hate to admit that I am gay and I didn't chose to be this way. I have these feelings naturally and I am going through a very difficult phase of my life. I haven't committed any act of homosexuality, I fulfill as much of the religious obligations as I can and I don't want to be sent to hell. So is it being a homosexual itself which is a sin or is it only the actual act which is the sin? A lot of Muslims on such posts all over social media say that being gay is haram and if a person is gay they are a sinner. I don't want to live like I sinner every moment of my life however there is nothing I can do about it. I can't just click a button and change my sexuality. I don't have any control over this.

Salam,

I understand it’s hard and you never chose to be this way. It really sucks. There was a shiachatter here also going through the same problem, I forgot his name.

but you’re right, as long as those thoughts don’t lead to action, then you’re still just as faithful. I honestly believe that you have higher iman than most people in general, because it’s not so easy for them to resist a huge sin like this. So the fact that you’re trying to be as faithful as you can because you fear Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is just beyond amazing

3 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said: "Looking at a boy with lust is awarded with the sin of zina while mounting him is kufr." (The committer of this act apostates)

During his caliphate, he awarded death sentence to two homosexuals by collapsing stone walls over them. This punishment is from the Qur'anic exegesis and the accounts of how the nation of Loot (عليه السلام) was punished, which is that one stone would strike each homo in their head lethally and these stones each had the name of its target written over it and struck even those who were at the time away from their city as angels executed this historical, divine cleansing.

Honestly reading this post annoyed me a little. The brother is clearly asking for advice and you’re here trying to make him feel worse. Where’s your source? For that hadith

 

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3 hours ago, xx._Proudshia said:

So basically I am a sinner and I deserve the same

 

Any lust looking is sin, because first the person have an intention to look and second the person acted by the intention to look at lust thing. The sins in this matter comes from action only, not from intention. 

If it was good thing, then the intention itself is a reward.

But even if we don't get a bad deed from our evil intention, still in Day of Judgement we will be judged by our Intentions.

The Prophet (saws) said,

“The people will be resurrected (and judged) according to their intentions.”

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book of Fasting, Chapter 6, p. 69

Also:

The Most Noble Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, said:

“When resurrection comes, a summons will be heard by all on the plain of gathering. The summoner will say: `Where are those who worshipped other human beings? Rise up; go, seek your reward from those whom you desired to please with your acts. I do not accept deeds tainted by worldly intent.'“ (Mishkat al-Anwar, p. 312)

Edited by Abu Nur

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19 hours ago, xx._Proudshia said:

Is it true that only the act of homosexuality is haram or is being gay itself a sin? I have heard that Allah doesn't hold us accountable for our thoughts it's only our actions. I hate to admit that I am gay and I didn't chose to be this way. I have these feelings naturally and I am going through a very difficult phase of my life. I haven't committed any act of homosexuality, I fulfill as much of the religious obligations as I can and I don't want to be sent to hell. So is it being a homosexual itself which is a sin or is it only the actual act which is the sin? A lot of Muslims on such posts all over social media say that being gay is haram and if a person is gay they are a sinner. I don't want to live like I sinner every moment of my life however there is nothing I can do about it. I can't just click a button and change my sexuality. I don't have any control over this.

Just focus on doing the wajibat and seek the love, thankfulness and forgiveness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), you will be protected from all these sins and you will have a goodness life in this life and hereafter, Ameen. Do not overdo things, and follow religion in the most simplistic manner.

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Thanks for the reply. I do hope so. However its just painful to think that it might not be a trial and I might end up dying a sinner. May Allah have mercy on me.

We all have different trials that we fear that we might ended up dying as sinner.

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So basically I am a sinner and I deserve the same

In the narration it means those who did the homosexual act and was caught by 4 witness and the Imam (عليه السلام) was present to execute such a punishments. Remember that even those who have done homosexual act and after that repent and turn to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) way and never do it, their sin will be forgiven.

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2 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Where’s your source? For that hadith

https://www.al-Islam.org/greater-sins-volume-1-ayatullah-Sayyid-abdul-husayn-dastghaib-shirazi/eleventh-greater-sin-sodomy

From the same source linked above:

According to Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali ((عليه السلام).), a person who has committed this sin must also be burnt after being killed.

 

Edit: I am sorry I don't know how to sugar coat such a thing.

Edited by The Green Knight

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6 hours ago, xx._Proudshia said:

So basically I am a sinner and I deserve the same

 

I have merely quoted our Maula Imam Ali (عليه السلام) of whom you are a proud follower, brother Proudshia.

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We need to get rid of the stigma of looking down on people that admit to homosexual feelings. It’s like having depression. You don’t go to a depressed person and make them feel worse, you help them in finding a solution. Marginalizing them will make things worse, and on the contrary, fully accepting the homosexual desire and acting if it’s all fine would be the equivalent of telling a depressed person “depression is okay! You’re fine the way you are! Don’t need to do anything about it!” because that doesn’t help either. The balance is to accept them and get them help. 

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10 hours ago, xx._Proudshia said:

So basically I am a sinner and I deserve the same

 

Nope, you need AND DESERVE help, just like we all do at different times in our lives. The above tradition is referring to people who actually acted on their homosexual desires and had sex, and after that refused to accept the fact that they had done a wrong deed, instead trying to justify it and refusing to repent. I imagine that situation (which led to the punishment of the people of Lūt) is much different from yours, as you are open to admit the problem and are actively searching for a solution. 

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One time a man came to Imam Ali and admitted to him “I have done a homosexual deed” and Imam Ali told him to go away and that the man shouldn’t admit it openly, as what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom, and this is a matter between him and Allah. Imam Ali basically told him that a third party (and therefore a punishment) did not need to get involved.

We act like the Ahlul Bayt actively took homosexuals and gave them punishment, but on the contrary, they gave them as many chances as they could to save themselves. 

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9 hours ago, Hussain_ said:

One time a man came to Imam Ali and admitted to him “I have done a homosexual deed” and Imam Ali told him to go away and that the man shouldn’t admit it openly

Interesting. Do you have a reference?

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For any act of adultery or homosexuality either has to be seen by witness or admitted in front of judge. This however does not reduce the sin.

To OP, you were not made this way.You are having these thoughts because you socialize to think so either because of porn or watching stuff which encouraged or tolerated homosexual relationships.

Since you have not committed ask Allah for forgiveness.Most importantly, get your self of these negative influences.If you practice not using your phone and put your energies on constructive endeavours you will get hold of this.

Finally,I do not how old you are try to get your urges fulfilled in halal way that is get married as soon as possible.

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9 minutes ago, peace4alltheworld said:

To OP, you were not made this way.You are having these thoughts because you socialize to think so either because of porn or watching stuff which encouraged or tolerated homosexual relationships.

I told once to my classmate the same thing, he told me it’s not true. He told me he was bisexual when he was 7 years old tho he never knew it. He was into men most of the time, he even told me that he always wanted to marry male anime characters when he was a child. He said once that he was planning to get pregnant from mega man, I always laugh when I remembered this story :hahaha: 
even before watching 18+ series, he use to have crush on some guys in his class. Of course I am not shaming him but really now body know, Maybe Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is testing some people with this type of tests.

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20 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

https://www.al-Islam.org/greater-sins-volume-1-ayatullah-Sayyid-abdul-husayn-dastghaib-shirazi/eleventh-greater-sin-sodomy

From the same source linked above:

According to Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali ((عليه السلام).), a person who has committed this sin must also be burnt after being killed.

 

Edit: I am sorry I don't know how to sugar coat such a thing.

It's irrelevant, we aren't talking about huddud punishments here... There have been other discussion threads for that.

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Homosexuality is a modern phenomenon, people identify with their sexuality as an identity. 

International law states sexuality can be used as an identity therefore people are protected, and are do equal treatment under the law, without prejudice.

Islamic law does not recognize homosexuality as a group identity.

Islamic the law recognizes sodomy as a crime.

It is not in the category Zina.

There is no concept homosexuality in Islamic law.

Sodomy has a historical context in the Middle East, and many Prophets have dealt with people who practice sodomy.

Sodomy has been used as a tool of humiliation against men and women, in peacetime and wartime. 

The practice of sodomy is despised, sodomy on men is used to emasculate and humiliate men.

Sodomy on women is used humiliate and to sexually expoilt women.

The part of sexual exploitation is not exclusive to women, many pagans sexually exploited young boys.

 

Those who perpetrate sodomy against men and women, are considered depraved sadistic perverted individuals. 

Not to mention that it is a very filthy Act. 

No doubt that it is a sin.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, azizaliallah said:

Sodomy on women is used humiliate and to sexually expoilt women.

 

1 hour ago, azizaliallah said:

Those who perpetrate sodomy against men and women, are considered depraved sadistic perverted individuals. 

 

In Shi'ism, a married man can enter his wife from behind, meaning in the anus, if the wife gives permission and consent. 

Therefore, not all men, who desire to enter their wives from behind are "depraved sadistic perverted individuals."

This ruling (permission to enter wife from behind with given consent) is based on authentic narrations. It is a settled matter, and I won't discuss it further. 

Edited by SoRoUsH

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The Qur'an clearly consider homosexual acts as zina. There is no way around that, but having different inclinations to sin is not the sin it self. Allah is fully capable of creating us all as individuals with each our own issues to struggle with. Those people who think that homosexual inclinations is worse than the issues they them selves are struggle with don't take their own issues serious. It is often more difficult to look at one own problems than accusing ones neighbor. I believe that Allah will judge us with the same measure that we judge others.
That being said, sexualizing public spaces, whether homosexual or heterosexual in nature is something that will lead to general lowering of morality. I think that the real problem in the story about the people of Lut in the Qur'an and the Bible is that those people sexualised public spaces. There was definitely more that 4/8 witnesses to the rape of those messengers. 

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19 hours ago, Hussain_ said:

We act like the Ahlul Bayt actively took homosexuals and gave them punishment, but on the contrary, they gave them as many chances as they could to save themselves.

Punishment vindicates the sinners and purifies them of their sin. One has to believe in order to understand that. The punishments in this life are nothing compared to those in the hereafter. Please read more about the Prophet and Ali and provide references of what you narrate if you wish to be taken seriously and have a debate.

Punishment also corrects the society and creates a lot of attrition, makes people obey the law.

Punishment is a part of the deal with us humans and never forgotten by a Muslim.

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On 2/19/2020 at 11:40 PM, xx._Proudshia said:

Is it true that only the act of homosexuality is haram or is being gay itself a sin? I have heard that Allah doesn't hold us accountable for our thoughts it's only our actions. I hate to admit that I am gay and I didn't chose to be this way.

Try to understand why you have these feelings. You are not born this way as children don't exhibit sexuality till puberty. There is no gene identified with it.

So it there likely a personal history. Homosexual have a higher rate if mental health problems then heterosexuals. 

Ask your self why. Try to better your self rather than take the easy option "I'm born this way"

Your doing well. But you can always do better. Don't let society tell you it's not a problem. 

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32 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

 

 

In Shi'ism, a married man can enter his wife from behind, meaning in the anus, if the wife gives permission and consent. 

Therefore, not all men, who desire to enter their wives from behind are "depraved sadistic perverted individuals."

This ruling (permission to enter wife from behind with given consent) is based on authentic narrations. It is a settled matter, and I won't discuss it further. 

I knew that some Shia somewhere was is going to defend sodomy.

There's always an exception to every rule, you can eat pork under the right conditions. 

Under the right conditions it's permissible with your wife, why?

A husband has a duty to satisfy his wife's sexual needs, the question then arises what if this act satisfies her? This is the purpose of the ruling.

It's a filthy act.

The people who engage in this act are sexually depraved perverted sadistic individuals, that's what is common. What is mentioned above is the exception. 

Does not change anything about what I have mentioned. One can consent themself into getting Hoodwinked and bamboozled. Consent alone doesnt wholly legitimizes something.

It's a filthy act.

It's a settled matter, indeed.

 

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9 minutes ago, azizaliallah said:

It's a filthy act.

You sound angry and confused.

It's not a sin to do so, if consent is given. 

You can hate it and not do it. However, don't innovate or change the teaching regarding it. 

The Imam (عليه السلام) was asked if it's permitted, he affirmed that it is. He then was asked, if he (عليه السلام) would do it. He replied, "No."

It is not the best of sexual acts, if the Imam (عليه السلام) doesn't do it. However, to label it as you did is a stretch. 

We stop, where the Imam (عليه السلام) stopped. 

Permitted? Yes. Ideal? Probably not. 

If someone does it (given his wife has given consent), we have no reason to judge them negatively. They're neither breaking any law nor sinning. 

So, you can be angry or whatever but that doesn't change the fiqh. 

Now, I'm done! 

Peace

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1 hour ago, Revert1963 said:

The Qur'an clearly consider homosexual acts as zina. There is no way around that, but having different inclinations to sin is not the sin it self. Allah is fully capable of creating us all as individuals with each our own issues to struggle with. Those people who think that homosexual inclinations is worse than the issues they them selves are struggle with don't take their own issues serious. It is often more difficult to look at one own problems than accusing ones neighbor. I believe that Allah will judge us with the same measure that we judge others.
That being said, sexualizing public spaces, whether homosexual or heterosexual in nature is something that will lead to general lowering of morality. I think that the real problem in the story about the people of Lut in the Qur'an and the Bible is that those people sexualised public spaces. There was definitely more that 4/8 witnesses to the rape of those messengers. 

No messengers were raped and the real problem of people of lut was the act of sodomy and preferring man over women. 

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2 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

in the anus, if the wife gives permission and consent. 

It is highly makrooh (very disliked).

2 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

In Shi'ism, a married man can enter his wife from behind, meaning in the anus

I am not aware of the hadith, but from behind probably usually refers to "doggystyle" not the anus. This is probably meant to clear up misconceptions that arose from Christianity, particularly the idea of birth defects occurring from vaginal sex from the back.

Which Islam rejects. Vaginal intercourse from behind with one's wife is absolutely Halal (permissible).

Edited by AmirioTheMuzzy

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On 2/20/2020 at 2:45 PM, xx._Proudshia said:

So basically I am a sinner and I deserve the same

I would not call you a sinner and I would be careful in paying too much attention to the kinds of opinions that are derived from here. Is it a trial?, no one can be sure. If I am stupid and do not know it, would I call that a trial?.

3 hours ago, azizaliallah said:

Homosexuality is a modern phenomenon

In terms of identity yes, but it has all ways been practiced. You just lack historical insight. In Ancient Greek it was called Pederasty and other era's, however it came with a price. There is also Bacha bazi and in Rome similar practicies.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome#Male%E2%80%93male_sex

The reason why religions forbade it, because it mostly likely caused the state to disfunction. Consider it was something that become an object of pleasure and broke social classes., as that is how it was practiced in the days of old. Perhaps the youth were corrupted easily and so forth. But I doubt anyone can you give a historical context as to why it was frowned upon. In fact society has always been the same in any era. Majority of humans are poor judges, thus they need someone else to give them a law to follow. Also there are issues regarding homosexuals and their tendency to imitate females, generally exaggerating the behaviors of female more then females themselves. Studies have also shown males who join groups where homosexual males mimick females, tend to take on that behavior. SO what we learn is that we generally are good at adopting the behaviors of whatever group we join, especially if there is a form of inclination to that group for personal benefit.

 

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I think, some people are too emotionally invested in their favourite extracurricular activity for there to be a fruitful discussion about this subject.

Edited by azizaliallah
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42 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

It is highly makrooh (very disliked).

Why do you say this? Any authentic narrations from the Imams (عليه السلام) to support this? 

42 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

but from behind probably usually refers to "doggystyle

In the context of narrations, it entails anal sex. 

The narration can be found in the fifth volume of Al-Kafi, with authentic sanad.

 مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ صَفْوَانَ بْنَ يَحْيَى يَقُولُ قُلْتُ لِلرِّضَا ع إِنَّ رَجُلًا مِنْ مَوَالِيكَ أَمَرَنِي أَنْ أَسْأَلَكَ عَنْ مَسْأَلَةٍ هَابَكَ وَ اسْتَحْيَا مِنْكَ أَنْ يَسْأَلَكَ قَالَ وَ مَا هِيَ قُلْتُ الرَّجُلُ يَأْتِي امْرَأَتَهُ فِي دُبُرِهَا قَالَ ذَلِكَ لَهُ قَالَ قُلْتُ لَهُ فَأَنْتَ تَفْعَلُ قَالَ إِنَّا لَا نَفْعَلُ ذَلِكَ 

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35 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Why do you say this? Any authentic narrations from the Imams (عليه السلام) to support this? 

I don't know. This is the fiqh ruling:
http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa1075#
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Since different jurists have different verdicts in this regard, you should act according to the fatwa (verdict) of the Mujtahid (jurist) whom you follow. For your information, we will now mention the verdicts of some of the religious authorities (jurists) as follows.

1) Some of the religious authorities[1] are of the view that anal intercourse is strongly abominable (makrooh).[2]

2) Some say[3]: “It is not permissible, as an obligatory precaution.”

3) Some others[4] are of the view that anal intercourse is not permissible, as an obligatory precaution, without wife’s consent. If she is consenting to it, it would be strongly abominable.[5]

For information about its physical harms and negative impacts, you should refer to medical science.

For further information in this regard refer to: Index: 601 (Sexual Pleasures and Their Limits).

 


[1] - Grand Ayatollahs including Imam Khomeini, Ayatollah Araki, Ayatollah Gulpaigani (may Allah bless them), Ayatollah Khamenei, Ayatollah Saafi, Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi and Ayatollah Zanjani.

[2] - See: Tahrir Al-Wasilah, vol.2, p. 241, Kitab al-Nikah, issue No. 11, Nejat al-‘Ibad (by Imam Khomeini), 35, Rules of Hayz, p.35

[3] - Grand Ayatollahs including Ayatollah Khoei, Ayatollah Tabrizi and Ayatollah Bahjat (may Allah bless them).

[4] - Grand Ayatollah Fazel Lankarani (may his soul rest in peace) and grand Ayatollah Sistani.

[5] - Tawzih al-Masail of Maraje’, vol.1, issue No. 450, Students’ Resalah, Sayyid Mujtaba Husseini, question 389, p. 243.


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Sistani:
Source: http://www.alulbayt.com/rulings/11.htm
[I couldn't find it on Sistani's website any more, but If I recall correctly it was in his risalah]

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Q42) Is anal intercourse permissible?

A42) Permission is bound to wife’s agreement, but it is strongly undesirable.

Q51) What is the ruling on anal sex? Is a Moslem allowed to have anal sex?

A51) Based on the widely held opinion of Shiite scholars this act (anal sex) is strongly Makrooh (undesirable, what is not Haram to do, but it is better to avoid). There is no objection to the couple getting pleasure from the entire body of one another. But it should be taken into consideration that some actions are beneath human dignity.

Rohani:


From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_anal_sex#Shi'ite_opinion):

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Most Shia scholars do not permit anal intercourse. Those who do say it is extremely makrooh.[32]

There are strong indications that Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini looked unfavorably upon anal penetration as codified in his two volume work, Tahrir al-Wasilah.

According to Grand Ayatollah Sistani, anal intercourse between a married couple is permissible under the condition that "permission is bound to wife’s agreement", but the act itself "is strongly undesirable."[33]

According to Grand Ayatollah Sadiq Hussaini Shirazi, "anal sex is allowed with her (wife's) permission. Although very hated and discouraged."[34]

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[32]  Therefore the majority of the Shi'ah mujtahids have derived two conclusions: (l) that anal intercourse is not haram but strongly disliked (karahatan shadidah) provided the wife agrees to it. (2) and if she does not agree to it, then all mujtahids say that it is precautionarily wajib to refrain from it. (See the fatawa of all contemporary mujtahids in their annotations to al-'Urwatu'l-Wuthqa, p. 628)

[33] "Fatwas of Sayyid Sistani". alulbayt.com.

[34] "Question: Is anal sex allowed in Islam?". shirazi.ir. Archived from the original on 2017-10-27.

 

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I haven't read or seen any authentic narration that would point one to the direction that it is either forbidden or makruh. 

Since there are multiple views on it, and since there are clear authentic narrations permitting it, the most important conclusion that we can reach is that we ought not to negatively judge a man who, with the consent of his wife, chooses to do this activity. 

I'll leave it at that. 

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My main point is: treat it like you would a mental illness, because it is some sort of disorder & not natural. Not exactly sure what causes it, as the science isn’t clear on that, but there can be events from childhood that triggered this newfound attraction. That’s off topic however. The first step is to recognize the issue. You have done that. Now you need to get some real help. Talk to an open minded Islamic scholar or therapist, and I’m sure they’ll guide you. Just know that this feeling and attraction isn’t actually naturally a part of you, and it’s not who you are. It doesn’t define you. Worrying about if you’re a sinner or not is of no use right now. I’m sure you’ll get better, best of luck. 

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On 2/19/2020 at 6:40 PM, xx._Proudshia said:

Is it true that only the act of homosexuality is haram or is being gay itself a sin? I have heard that Allah doesn't hold us accountable for our thoughts it's only our actions. I hate to admit that I am gay and I didn't chose to be this way. I have these feelings naturally and I am going through a very difficult phase of my life. I haven't committed any act of homosexuality, I fulfill as much of the religious obligations as I can and I don't want to be sent to hell. So is it being a homosexual itself which is a sin or is it only the actual act which is the sin? A lot of Muslims on such posts all over social media say that being gay is haram and if a person is gay they are a sinner. I don't want to live like I sinner every moment of my life however there is nothing I can do about it. I can't just click a button and change my sexuality. I don't have any control over this.

 Identifying yourself as this or as that is what covers up (kafara) the Truth of your true Self. Even to identify yourself as hetero-sexual is a covering over - a mistake or error.  So there are certain urges that’s rise, fine.  Just don’t make a big deal about it by “owning” them.  We are not the owner of anything, only God is.   We act on urges that we have because we identify with them (I.e. urges) or we claim ownership over it.  But your task is to simply witness the arising and the subsiding of the urges and to pray to God by leaving it in His hands and not being too involved in it.  This is true detachment is dear brother.
 

There are two ways to watch a movie.   One is by being. Involved in the movie so much so that you forget you are simply a witness over it and you take on the problems of the character in the movie as if you are the character yourself!).  Then the other way to watch the movie is to know you are swatching a movie by being detached and not “owning” the problems that arise in the movie.  The same goes for your urges, just see them as arisings.  

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