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Since three more have dropped out of the Democratic Presidential Primary run after New Hampshire Primary --Yang, Patrick and Bennett-- let us start reviewing the remaining eight.

To start, l'II begin with a NH Primary 3+%, Tulsi Gabbard

https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-islamfighting-islamophobia 

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1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I think unfortunately that it is really possible that Trump win the next elections. 

 I think Bernie has good chances to win. Despite of good Usa economy. The Usa still suffer from same core problem that they have suffered from long time. Low wages, Bad healthcare system, Student debts, opioid  crisis and climate changes. These things affect Swing states because they are poorest in the Usa and they usually decide who wins the presidency race and in some of these states economy are not doing good at all. Trump also have not fixed any of those problem that I mentioned. 

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Y'all can guess my favorite!

4 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

 These things affect Swing states because they are poorest in the Usa and they usually decide who wins the presidency race and in some of these states economy are not doing good at all. Trump also have not fixed any of those problem that I mentioned. 

Wouldn't it be great if politics actually worked that way, with voters choosing based on self interest and common good? Unfortunately, when people are fearful, they are more easily misled by demagogues. Most of my Iowa/Illinois relatives are Trump supporters, ranging from enthusiastically to reluctantly. 

In order to change for the better, we can't rely on logic; we need a compelling new narrative. 

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4 hours ago, notme said:

Y'all can guess my favorite!

Is it tulsi? 

6 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I think unfortunately that it is really possible that Trump win the next elections. 

Same here, I’m sure he will win. Maybe there will be a change if Bernie won the election for Democratic Party. 

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14 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Since three more have dropped out of the Democratic Presidential Primary run after New Hampshire Primary --Yang, Patrick and Bennett-- let us start reviewing the remaining eight.

Remaining 8 (in alphabetical order) are on the ballot in at least 15 states at this time:

Joe Biden 
Michael Bloomberg 
Pete Buttigieg 
Tulsi Gabbard 
Amy Klobuchar 
Bernie Sanders 
Tom Steyer 
Elizabeth Warren  

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

My forecast, as l wrote more than a week ago somewhere, Trump will win by a landslide

I hope not. If he does things are going to get really bad

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I think there are some upsides and downsides here to Bernie's campaign;

Upsides- He won the popular vote in NH and IA. He showed that he has a pretty good base of support and that base isn't going anywhere and it's about a solid 25%. That base I don't believe is with any other candidate. 

He polls better with AA and Latinos than Pete and Amy. 

Downsides

He didn't win Iowa on delegates, and he's behind on overall delegate counts. Now this is an unfair system in my book, but you have to work with the system you've got and it seems he's struggling this time to appeal to rural voters, who are more impressed by Buttigieg and Klobuchar. So he needs some work in expanding that base to get more rural voters on his side. I'm pretty pessimistic about him being able to do that, Americans are very terrifed of the "S" word and I think it was an error on his part to use the word socialism, rather than a social democrat, which is what he really is. FDR and Eisenhower wouldn't think he was radical at all. 

The moderates combined do better than him/Warren, who I consider the progressives. In the event that few moderates drop out it could consolidate the support. With that being said, I find it difficult to see how Biden will get enough moderates on his side if Pete and Amy withdraw, which is very unlikely at this point, it seems Biden would drop out first. However, Pete and Amy have real issues with minority voters and with black voters, they are polling at nearly 0%, so I don't think those minorities supporting Biden will rally around these candidates simply because they are moderates. 

The other challenge is Bloomberg, he could surprise everyone and he is polling better than Bernie is among black voters despite his stop and frisk polices against black people. But he hasn't really been in debates so that could crush him if he is ever challenged.

The media will work hard to ensure Sanders doesn't win, MSNBC's coverage is already nauseating, they offered Klobuchar more coverage than Bernie and she did well in NH, but she has no chance, let's be real.

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12 hours ago, notme said:

No. 

Seriously and despite my :grin: emoji above, what l do like about Tulsi is she appears to be the calmest and more thoughtful personality among the contenders. l saw her on PBS' Firing Line interview last Summer and a couple of other times since then. Since this is S.C, l chose the intial post as l did. Overall, l agree with her platform at the 40% level. So as it stands today, l plan on voting for her in the primary because l think doing this is in the long term interests of the Democratic Party. Excepting 'the Berne', the remaining six are pontificating clowns.

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Dumpster Fire  or  Nuclear Meltdown

A humourous read. BTW: tonight Nanny Pelousy is at the Munich Security Conference --:worried:"l wonder what nefarious purpose she has going there? She never did before."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/14/nancy-pelosi-and-demoncrats-meltdown-goes-nuclear/ 

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On 2/13/2020 at 9:27 PM, Mohamed1993 said:

I think there are some upsides and downsides here to Bernie's campaign;

Upsides- He won the popular vote in NH and IA. He showed that he has a pretty good base of support and that base isn't going anywhere and it's about a solid 25%. That base I don't believe is with any other candidate. 

He polls better with AA and Latinos than Pete and Amy. 

Downsides

He didn't win Iowa on delegates, and he's behind on overall delegate counts. Now this is an unfair system in my book, but you have to work with the system you've got and it seems he's struggling this time to appeal to rural voters, who are more impressed by Buttigieg and Klobuchar. So he needs some work in expanding that base to get more rural voters on his side. I'm pretty pessimistic about him being able to do that, Americans are very terrifed of the "S" word and I think it was an error on his part to use the word socialism, rather than a social democrat, which is what he really is. FDR and Eisenhower wouldn't think he was radical at all. 

The moderates combined do better than him/Warren, who I consider the progressives. In the event that few moderates drop out it could consolidate the support. With that being said, I find it difficult to see how Biden will get enough moderates on his side if Pete and Amy withdraw, which is very unlikely at this point, it seems Biden would drop out first. However, Pete and Amy have real issues with minority voters and with black voters, they are polling at nearly 0%, so I don't think those minorities supporting Biden will rally around these candidates simply because they are moderates. 

The other challenge is Bloomberg, he could surprise everyone and he is polling better than Bernie is among black voters despite his stop and frisk polices against black people. But he hasn't really been in debates so that could crush him if he is ever challenged.

The media will work hard to ensure Sanders doesn't win, MSNBC's coverage is already nauseating, they offered Klobuchar more coverage than Bernie and she did well in NH, but she has no chance, let's be real.

They support socialism but they don’t like word socialism lol. You need understand the big picture here. Bernie sander is most popular president candidate of United state. He is only candidate that can beat Trump via 6-8% percent by national polls. The centrist might do good in some of counties but they are not as popular as Bernie as whole. Bernie will reach supporter that are not just dems. He wants basically unite the country. 

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8 minutes ago, Guest Sunshine said:

. He wants basically unite the country. 

There are people l not only do not want to "unite" with, there some l do not want anything to do with.

l wish people would quit saying such meaningless things.

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21 hours ago, hasanhh said:

There are people l not only do not want to "unite" with, there some l do not want anything to do with.

l wish people would quit saying such meaningless things.

On this I agree, I don't understand why people being born into the same country means you want to unite with them, lol. It's stupid.

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Anyone else watch Wednesday the 19th's (FEB) Democratic Debate?

lMHO:

Sanders was aggressive

Bloomberg did well

Biden was more articulate than recently

Butterleig(SP?)  did quite well at the open

Kolbuchar(SP?)  Was clearer than usual

Warren is still speaking to her commiseration club.

 

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l was watching the highlights on a news program last night. One sound bight they ran was Sanders saying to Bloomberg:

~ He has more money than the next 125 million Americans.

So Bernie is expecting US to believe that 125 million adults 18-64 do not have $512 apiece ?

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On 2/23/2020 at 1:43 AM, Diaz said:

Bernie won. 

Well, not yet.

There was Bernie Bashing on the radio today, especially from Demoncrats.

Newt Gingrich was a guest on one show and he said that if it 'goes to the convention', Bernie will lose because the superdelegates (almost 15% of the votes -ed.) will shaft him because they see him as "a threat to the party".

Some of Bernie's positions "are very unpopular" with many Demoncrats. Amy Walter of Cook Political Report

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4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Well, not yet.

There was Bernie Bashing on the radio today, especially from Demoncrats.

Newt Gingrich was a guest on one show and he said that if it 'goes to the convention', Bernie will lose because the superdelegates (almost 15% of the votes -ed.) will shaft him because they see him as "a threat to the party".

Some of Bernie's positions "are very unpopular" with many Demoncrats. Amy Walter of Cook Political Report

No, I meant in won in Nevada. 

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Debate Grades --Mine that is:

Littlelieg -  A   ((get it? from Little League baseball)

the Bern-  A-    -->https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-calls-israels-netanyahu-reactionary-racist-says-hed-consider-moving-embassy-1489109            

Mikie  -    B

Kolbuchar-  B

Biden-     C+

Styer-      C

Pocohaunted -  D+

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53 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Debate Grades --Mine that is:

Littlelieg -  A   ((get it? from Little League baseball)

the Bern-  A-    -->https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-calls-israels-netanyahu-reactionary-racist-says-hed-consider-moving-embassy-1489109            

Mikie  -    B

Kolbuchar-  B

Biden-     C+

Styer-      C

Pocohaunted -  D+

I thought Buttigieg was the most smug and annoying, there's something about him I cannot stand at all, its that smug harvard boy persona, reminds me of people who went to my undergrad and they are a waste of space.

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2 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

I thought Buttigieg was the most smug and annoying, there's something about him I cannot stand at all, its that smug harvard boy persona, reminds me of people who went to my undergrad and they are a waste of space.

l'm half asleep at the moment, but Littlelieg made a couple of good points and a couple of good pieces of rhetoric.

For example, that the debate should focus on the 21st Century and not the second half of the 20th.(Not his wording but this was his theme)

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4 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

For example, that the debate should focus on the 21st Century and not the second half of the 20th.(Not his wording but this was his theme)

He looked like he was there to sort out some kind of personal vendetta he had against Sanders. Plus he made a very silly point politically about the revolutionary politics of the 60's, dude's polling at 0% with blacks, he won't get too far by saying we don't need the revolutionary politics of the 60's, because that's the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. We do actually need an anti-war movement in my opinion. So I'm not sure what he's on about. If he's talking about the drug consumption etc. then he shouldn't call that under the revolutionary movement which achieved some good.

He tweeted this later and people screenshot it and he deleted it soon after.

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2 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

He tweeted this later and people screenshot it and he deleted it soon after.

Do you have a reference for this?

l liked your comment. Maybe not a "vendetta" but he made rhetorical comments different than the others. So in standing out this way he probably gained a couple of percentage points of votes in Carolina.

l do think he is correct about 'the 60s'. l Iived through all that. Modern America is no way close to the way things were back then --excepting the damages of inflation. Replaying the 60s is a Democratic failing point.

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