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Haram for Shias to form a government?

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  • Oh Sudair, stay at your homes and be quiet as the day and the night, and don't move, and when you see that the Sufiyani has arrived, then come to us. Al-Kafi Vol. 8 Hadith 383

 

  • ورأيت الفقيه يتفقه لغير الدين، يطلب الدنيا والرئاسة And you will see the jurist (faqīh) study jurisprudence (fiqh) for other than religion, and seek this world and leadership. Al-Kāfī Volume 8, page 40.

 

  • عنه، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن الحسين بن سعيد. عن حماد بن عيسى. عن الحسين بن المختار، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبد الله (عليه السلام) قال: كل راية ترفع قبل قيام القائم فصاحبها طاغوت يعبد من دون الله عز وجل. Abi 'Abd Allah (عليه السلام) said:

 

  • "Every banner/flag which rises before the rising of al-Qa'im, so its owner is a tyrant who worships someone apart from Allah (azwj). al-Kafi volume 8 page 295

 

  • "Beware of the government, for the government surely is for the Imam (عليه السلام) who is knowledgeable of Judgements, for justice among the Muslims, a Prophet (s) or the Trustee (عليه السلام) of the Prophet (s) is the only authority. References: Al-Kafi vol. 6 page 406 Wasa'il al-Shi'a volume 27 page 17

 

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so how will a household, tribe, village, town, city, nation, state, continent function without a form of governance?. Did you ponder over this first?.

The narrations claim the people suffer due to lack of knowledge or sin or punishment from God regarding a tyrannical leader and on the flip side, tells people to hide and not to seek authority to create a form of stable society. Why do they contradict themselves much?. Seems more that the divines were interested in human slavery and suppression.

 

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The first problem with the OP is that the hadithes cannot be seen to be fully quoted unless

(a) it is stated whose words they are and

(b) the names of the narrators are mentioned.

None of the quoted hadiths states whose words they are or who the narrator is.

Also, all Shia scholars accept that unlike the six main hadith books of the Sunnis, there is no Shia book of hadith that is entirely true.

And finall, almost every hadith has a specific context and we cannot take the words on their face value.

Rather, we need to ask a Marja for its true meaning.

 

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16 hours ago, Pingu said:
  • "Beware of the government, for the government surely is for the Imam (عليه السلام) who is knowledgeable of Judgements, for justice among the Muslims, a Prophet (s) or the Trustee (عليه السلام) of the Prophet (s) is the only authority. References: Al-Kafi vol. 6 page 406 Wasa'il al-Shi'a volume 27 page 17

 

Salam , these narration are about false governments such as  Banu Umayya & Abbasids & Ottomans that their agenda was opposing our Imams or had right slogan but wrong intention such as Abbasids that were claiming that they want to return leadership to family of Prophet Muhammad (pbu) but their intention was taking leadership for themselves not Imams (عليه السلام) but duty of Shias is that to live under government of current Imam (عليه السلام) or form a government & then give it to Imam (عليه السلام) such as martyr Zaid(رضي الله عنه) & Safavids &rest of Shia governments until now.

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