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In laws and silat rahem

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5 hours ago, dragonxx said:

Does silat rahem/family ties technically apply between a son/daughter and father/mother-in-law?

Only relatives of the 'womb'/ relationship is that of blood that is tied to the maternal womb.

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13 hours ago, starlight said:

Only relatives of the 'womb'/ relationship is that of blood that is tied to the maternal womb.

I figured.

Just thought that since they become "mahram/ma7ram" there was a possibility....

 

So technically, a person would not receive sin by not speaking to the in-laws? Or is there sin that comes with that in some secondary form? Or is it just bad manners

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‘Those who join together (do Silet ar-Rahm) those things which Allah has commanded to be joined.” (Surah ar-Rā’d 13:21)

Urwah Ibn-Yazīd asked Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) the meaning of this Ayat (Surah ar-Rā’d 13:21), the Imam ((عليه السلام).) replied;

“You have been commanded to do Silet ar-Rahm towards all your relatives. Whether they are Mahram (in the prohibited category of marriage) or Non-mahram, (not in the prohibited category) whether they are distant relatives or closely related, whether they are immediate relatives or separated by several generations."

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9 hours ago, habib e najjaar said:

‘Those who join together (do Silet ar-Rahm) those things which Allah has commanded to be joined.” (Surah ar-Rā’d 13:21)

Urwah Ibn-Yazīd asked Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) the meaning of this Ayat (Surah ar-Rā’d 13:21), the Imam ((عليه السلام).) replied;

“You have been commanded to do Silet ar-Rahm towards all your relatives. Whether they are Mahram (in the prohibited category of marriage) or Non-mahram, (not in the prohibited category) whether they are distant relatives or closely related, whether they are immediate relatives or separated by several generations."

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in laws aren't considered relatives? I think relatives as in cousins, the sons/daughters of your uncles and aunts, 2nd cousins, etc. or is this incorrect

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7 hours ago, dragonxx said:

in laws aren't considered relatives? I think relatives as in cousins, the sons/daughters of your uncles and aunts, 2nd cousins, etc. or is this incorrect

I can imagine that on technical terms, in laws are not blood relatives. However, one may be forced to maintain at least the minimum silaturrahm with them for the sake or mutual blood relatives, for example, a daughter in law maintaining it with her husband's family for the sake of the children who are her flesh and blood and her husbands family's flesh and blood, and it is the mother's duty to upbring the children with proper Islamic morals and etiquette.

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17 hours ago, habib e najjaar said:

I can imagine that on technical terms, in laws are not blood relatives. However, one may be forced to maintain at least the minimum silaturrahm with them for the sake or mutual blood relatives, for example, a daughter in law maintaining it with her husband's family for the sake of the children who are her flesh and blood and her husbands family's flesh and blood, and it is the mother's duty to upbring the children with proper Islamic morals and etiquette.

Yeahhh... no. I see your point but good upbringing of children doesn't mean visiting in-laws is necessary. Silat-rahem can be emphasized by visiting the relatives on your side of the family rather than visiting the sometimes purely toxic in-law mother or father 

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3 hours ago, dragonxx said:

Yeahhh... no. I see your point but good upbringing of children doesn't mean visiting in-laws is necessary. Silat-rahem can be emphasized by visiting the relatives on your side of the family rather than visiting the sometimes purely toxic in-law mother or father 

Toxic to you perhaps, but still the blood and flesh of the children. So in addition to breaking the childrens sileh rahm with their family members, you would not be doing adalah/justice. 

Keep in mind, doing sileh rahm does not mean you have to do it in equal measure to all relatives.

You should read the chapter on qat'e rahm in Ayatullah Dastghaib Shirazi's book "Greater Sins" to get more perspective on this issue inshaAllah.

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16 hours ago, habib e najjaar said:

Toxic to you perhaps, but still the blood and flesh of the children. So in addition to breaking the childrens sileh rahm with their family members, you would not be doing adalah/justice. 

Keep in mind, doing sileh rahm does not mean you have to do it in equal measure to all relatives.

You should read the chapter on qat'e rahm in Ayatullah Dastghaib Shirazi's book "Greater Sins" to get more perspective on this issue inshaAllah.

Not at all, if a mother or father is not obliged to maintain silat rahim with in-laws, then they have no obligation to take the children to them; the in-laws have to come see the children. The children are not adults and therefore they are not obligated to be the active ones in the relationship. If the child is relatively mature and wants to, great, one of the parents can go, doesn't need both the mother and father for the visitation to the in-laws.

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1 minute ago, dragonxx said:

Not at all, if a mother or father is not obliged to maintain silat rahim with in-laws, then they have no obligation to take the children to them; the in-laws have to come see the children. The children are not adults and therefore they are not obligated to be the active ones in the relationship. If the child is relatively mature and wants to, great, one of the parents can go, doesn't need both the mother and father for the visitation to the in-laws.

True, if the situation is uncomplicated and does not lead to uncessary family feuds thereby straining relationships and inter relationships.

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