Jump to content
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!) ×
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!)
In the Name of God بسم الله

Recommended Posts

  • Advanced Member

@funklebits

You can use the search engine on the site and see what further interesting statistics you can find. Do also share them please. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

@Qa'im Good point. I got the following: 

591 on Ahlul Bayt

154 on Ahle bait

I suspect Muta, mut3a etc will also yield further threads lol 

IMG_7652.PNG

IMG_7653.PNG

Edited by Moalfas
Typo
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

@ShiaChat Mod

That's perfectly understandable. I do however notice the abundance and repetitive nature of such topics which was what lead me to carry out the searches. There seems to be a running Mutah thread (or two) at all times lol 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Forum Administrators
7 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

@Qa'im Good point. I got the following: 

591 on Ahlul Bayt

154 on Ahle bait

I suspect Muta, mut3a etc will also yield further threads lol 

Ahl al-Bayt, Ahlal Bayt, ahlulbait, Ahl e Bait, try all of the combinations. 

Yes we have way too many mut’a threads. It’s understandable but people should get a grip.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Alhamdulilah, 

Very interesting! Well one way of looking at it is that the Holy Imams (عليه السلام) have described the characteristics of the people of Jannah and the people of Jahannum. A common character of of the believers in Jannah is good conduct. A common characteristic of the people of Jahannum is that they will not have guarded their private parts. 

Maybe if we have to discuss mutah 124,000 times is worth it if that’s what it takes to get it right and learn in order for us to not have that common characteristic found in unbelievers. 

May Allah forgive the believers for their shortcomings. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Moderators
7 hours ago, Moalfas said:

@ShiaChat Mod

That's perfectly understandable. I do however notice the abundance and repetitive nature of such topics which was what lead me to carry out the searches. There seems to be a running Mutah thread (or two) at all times lol 

There are many such threads since 1998, because in the past there was no restriction. In 2016 Mods started to lock threads where the question was answered and members were going off topic. 

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235040341-why-im-locking-mutah-threads/

Mods usually do not approve mutah threads for guests, especially if they seem trollish.

EDIT: ShiaChat is a discussion site. If people do not search to bump up an already existing topic, they create a new one. If mutah topics are locked, they will create new ones. It is what it is.

Edited by ShiaChat Mod
EDIT
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
On 1/22/2020 at 11:32 AM, AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola said:

Alhamdulilah, 

Very interesting! Well one way of looking at it is that the Holy Imams (عليه السلام) have described the characteristics of the people of Jannah and the people of Jahannum. A common character of of the believers in Jannah is good conduct. A common characteristic of the people of Jahannum is that they will not have guarded their private parts. 

Maybe if we have to discuss mutah 124,000 times is worth it if that’s what it takes to get it right and learn in order for us to not have that common characteristic found in unbelievers. 

May Allah forgive the believers for their shortcomings. 

Whilst I agree that some issues need to be discussed extensively and in detail to reach a good understanding and the best ways forward; looking at this from an outsider's perspective, the amount of Mutah content on ShiaChat, I feel, is a little much. Especially when compared to other topics that deal with our natural human urges such as self discipline and Akhlaq. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
On 1/22/2020 at 1:38 PM, Hassu93 said:

Mutah should have a mega thread with FAQs.

I would go even further and suggest FAQ threads that are pinned to the top dealing with very common issues/questions that lots of people usually look for such as step by step Wudhu and Prayer and Halal fish types just to name a couple.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
1 hour ago, Moalfas said:

Whilst I agree that some issues need to be discussed extensively and in detail to reach a good understanding and the best ways forward; looking at this from an outsider's perspective, the amount of Mutah content on ShiaChat, I feel, is a little much. Especially when compared to other topics that deal with our natural human urges such as self discipline and Akhlaq. 

Subhan’Allah, 

I totally understand you brother. I guess people will always check for what is pertaining to them at the time.

I have a friend and when we were young teenagers his father had a book which was about parents rights and children’s rights in Islam. My friend told me that when he found this book some years later, the part of the book regarding parents rights had been highlighted everywhere and had been obviously worn down from heavy scrutiny.

The part of the book regarding rights of children was still freshly new with no highlights or signs of being read. Lol. 

 

 

Edited by AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member
On 1/21/2020 at 9:43 PM, Moalfas said:

A quick search of thread topics yielded the following results:

529 threads on Mutah          --ain't these here teenaged boys satiated yet?

334 threads on Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام)

56 threads on Patience  ---Come-on . . . Hurry Up with this

46 Threads on Akhlaq   ----l just ate on the kitchen sink, so l ain't going to win any awards for manners

17 threads on Piety    ---one of my better qualities . . . as is humility

And only 11 threads on Discipline!   ---but "disorderly conduct" is quite prevalent on S.C.

It certainly serves as a reminder for us to examine our priorities from time to time.  Such as in the occasional thread: S.C Addiction

 

My response is above in boldface.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member
On 1/21/2020 at 11:29 PM, Liggel said:

 

This verse may explain the reason....

"Beautified for mankind is love of the joys (that come) from women..."(3:14)

But what one should focus on instead is that later part of the same verse....

"these may be the joys of this life, but God has the best place to return to."

What messed-up, anti-lsIamic translation are you using?

Cf:  https://corpus.Qur'an.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=14 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Forum Administrators
On 1/22/2020 at 2:43 AM, Moalfas said:

A quick search of thread topics yielded the following results:

529 threads on Mutah 

 

Bear in mind that there is a numerical difference between those who think about it, those who write about it, those who think about those who write about it and those who actually do it.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest itsAwonderfullWorld

so whats the issue? would you rather they stay quiet do sins in private?

let people seek what they need, God has allowed this so who are we to judge this? yes people need sex why can’t we be mature about this? and muta and marriage is halal and the answer to this issue

people should be commended for following the rules in such difficult times as today , sexuality is propagated at all angles towards the people and the people are under alot of pressure so it is good they are dealing with this in the way which is halal , there is no shame in it

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
46 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

Bear in mind that there is a numerical difference between those who think about it, those who write about it, those who think about those who write about it and those who actually do it.

Indeed. But it's safe to say that the number of people who write about it is much smaller than the number of people who think about it. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

What messed-up, anti-lsIamic translation are you using?

Cf:  https://corpus.Qur'an.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=14 

Your link is not opening. Anyway, I don't understand why you think it is messed up? 

-----

Sura 3 - Ayat 14

زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَٲتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱلْقَنَـٰطِيرِ ٱلْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلْأَنْعَـٰمِ وَٱلْحَرْثِ‌ۗ ذَٲلِكَ مَتَـٰعُ ٱلْحَيَوٲةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا‌ۖ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُۥ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَـَٔـابِ

Here are some translations: 

The love of desires, of women and sons and hoarded treasures of gold and silver and well bred horses and cattle and tilth, is made to seem fair to men; this is the provision of the life of this world; and Allah is He with Whom is the good goal (of life).

-------

Beautified is for mankind the love of these desires – women, and sons, and heaps of gold and piled up silver, and branded horses, and cattle and fields; this is the wealth of the life of this world; and it is Allah, with Whom is the excellent abode

-----

Beautified for mankind is love of the joys (that come) from women and offspring; and stored-up heaps of gold and silver, and horses branded (with their mark), and cattle and land. That is comfort of the life of the world. Allah! With Him is a more excellent abode.

---------

The lust (extreme desire) towards women and children, of hoarded treasures of gold and silver, of branded beautiful horses and cattle and well-tilled land, is made to seem beautiful to men; this is the provision of the life of this world; and Allah is the best Shelter in His presence.

--------

Fair-seeming is made unto men the love of pleasurable things from women and children and talents heaped-up of gold and silver and horses branded up and cattle and tilth. All that is the enjoyment of the life of the World, and Allah! with Him is the best resort.

____

Fair in the eyes of men is the love of things they covet: Women and sons; Heaped-up hoards of gold and silver; horses branded (for blood and excellence); and (wealth of) cattle and well-tilled land. Such are the possessions of this world´s life; but in nearness to Allah is the best of the goals (To return to).
------
The satisfaction of worldly desires through women, and children, and heaped-up treasures of gold and silver, and pedigreed horses, and cattle and lands is attractive to people. All this is the provision of the worldly life; but the most excellent abode is with God
 
-------
Adorned for the people is the love of desires, such as women, and children, and piles upon piles of gold and silver, and branded horses, and livestock, and fields. These are the conveniences of the worldly life, but with God lies the finest resort
------
Decorated for people are the desires of women, offspring, and of heaped up piles of gold and silver, of pedigree horses, cattle, and sown fields. These are the enjoyments of the worldly life, but with Allah is the best return.
Edited by Liggel
Added more translations
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member

The Ayat 3:14 itemizes women and sons, gold and silver, horses and cattle and good farmland as the possessions of this Life, but it is Allah -(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). and His -(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Last Day that should a man's focus.

There is nothing explicit about lust, joy and other things your post pretends:

On 1/21/2020 at 11:29 PM, Liggel said:

 

This verse may explain the reason....

"Beautified for mankind is love of the joys (that come) from women..."(3:14)

But what one should focus on instead is that later part of the same verse....

"these may be the joys of this life, but God has the best place to return to."

These are poor interpretations/translations.

This link is being screwed-up by something in the computer aggravator. Enter:

search   corpusquran  then click word by word and then select sura and ayat

https://corpus.Qur'an.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=14 

Edited by hasanhh
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Beautified

wordimage?id=6349 V – 3rd person masculine singular (form II) passive perfect verb
فعل ماض مبني للمجهول
(3:14:2)
lilnnāsi
for mankind
wordimage?id=6350 P – prefixed preposition lām
N – genitive masculine plural noun
جار ومجرور
(3:14:3)
ḥubbu
(is) love
wordimage?id=6351 N – nominative masculine noun
اسم مرفوع
(3:14:4)
l-shahawāti
(of) the (things they) desire -
wordimage?id=6352 N – genitive feminine plural noun
اسم مجرور
(3:14:5)
mina
of
wordimage?id=6353 P – preposition
حرف جر
(3:14:6)
l-nisāi
[the] women
wordimage?id=6354 N – genitive feminine plural noun
اسم مجرور
(3:14:7)
wal-banīna
and [the] sons
wordimage?id=6355 CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive masculine plural noun
الواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(3:14:8)
wal-qanāṭīri
and [the] heaps
wordimage?id=6356 CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive masculine plural noun
الواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(3:14:9)
l-muqanṭarati
[the] stored up
wordimage?id=6357 ADJ – genitive feminine (form II) passive participle
صفة مجرورة
(3:14:10)
mina
of
wordimage?id=6358 P – preposition
حرف جر
(3:14:11)
l-dhahabi
[the] gold
wordimage?id=6359 N – genitive masculine noun → Gold
اسم مجرور
(3:14:12)
wal-fiḍati
and [the] silver,
wordimage?id=6360 CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive feminine noun → Silver
الواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(3:14:13)
wal-khayli
and [the] horses
wordimage?id=6361 CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive masculine plural noun → Horse
الواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(3:14:14)
l-musawamati
[the] branded,
wordimage?id=6362 ADJ – genitive feminine (form II) passive participle
صفة مجرورة
(3:14:15)
wal-anʿāmi
and [the] cattle
wordimage?id=6363 CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive masculine plural noun
الواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(3:14:16)
wal-ḥarthi
and [the] tilled land.
wordimage?id=6364 CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive masculine noun
الواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(3:14:17)
dhālika
That
wordimage?id=6365 DEM – masculine singular demonstrative pronoun
اسم اشارة
(3:14:18)
matāʿu
(is) provision
wordimage?id=6366 N – nominative masculine noun
اسم مرفوع
(3:14:19)
l-ḥayati
(of) life
wordimage?id=6367 N – genitive feminine noun
اسم مجرور
(3:14:20)
l-dun'yā
(of) the world
wordimage?id=6368 ADJ – genitive feminine singular adjective
صفة مجرورة
(3:14:21)
wal-lahu
but Allah -
wordimage?id=6369 REM – prefixed resumption particle
PN – nominative proper noun → Allah
الواو استئنافية
لفظ الجلالة مرفوع
(3:14:22)
ʿindahu
with Him
wordimage?id=6370 LOC – accusative location adverb
PRON – 3rd person masculine singular possessive pronoun
ظرف مكان منصوب والهاء ضمير متصل في محل جر بالاضافة
(3:14:23)
ḥus'nu
(is an) excellent
wordimage?id=6371 N – nominative masculine noun
اسم مرفوع
(3:14:24)
l-maābi
[the] abode to return
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

This is from corpus. So what difference do you see in this? It's similar translation and I don't find anything unislamic in any of these translations. Can you explain what you think is unislamic? 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member
2 hours ago, Liggel said:

This is from corpus. So what difference do you see in this? It's similar translation and I don't find anything unislamic in any of these translations. Can you explain what you think is unislamic? 

The words inserted and these also lose the business-like-tone that the Qur'an is revealed in, lnshallah.

The translations you like are emotional renderings, contradicting Ayat 30:21. Herein is a refrain that occurs elsewhere in Qur'an: search "signs" + "reflect" and you'll see an absence of the emotional renderings mistranslators sprinkle into what is revealed -cursed inshallah.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...