unfortunately More People + Posts = Less Quality

[yashia]

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

People are forgetting what it means to believe in Shia Islam & Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) because they are following western inclinations and intentions as well as other meaningless speech and empty words.

Nothing is for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing is constructive. 

Ask yourself the last time you made a post or made a comment for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), for the sake of gaining something special. Not for the sake of fun, games and play as well as vain talk.

 

Think about this. 

#IslamOverSecularistNihilismAndGoallessness

[yashia]

[Moalfas]

On 1/17/2020 at 6:47 PM, yashia said:

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

Perhaps if you hang around, you can change that to more quality posts. 

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People are forgetting what it means to believe in Shia Islam & Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) because they are following western inclinations and intentions as well as other meaningless speech and empty words.

Nothing is for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing is constructive. 

I don't think Imam Ali (عليه السلام) would make such sweeping statements.

[The Green Knight]

6 hours ago, Moalfas said:

I don't think Imam Ali (عليه السلام) would make such sweeping statements.

Correct. I also believe they will simply remove a whole lot of heads this time around without making statements.

[starlight]

8 hours ago, yashia said:

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

Your statement might or might not be correct but the thing is the only person we have control over is ourselves so if I were you and I wanted to see the forum improved I would try to put in my share of good quality posts.

Even if there are not many high quality posts ShiaChat is still a place on web that's free from haram  and even if it's just a social platform for Shias to hang out its still better than Facebook, Twitter and instagram. 

8 hours ago, yashia said:

Nothing is for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing is constructive

This is a very generalizing statement. No one can know the intentions of another person. 

8 hours ago, yashia said:

Ask yourself the last time you made a post or made a comment for the sake of Allah.

I agree with you. Every action of ours should be for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). We should actively strive for turning every moment of our lives into an act of worship. 

[ali_fatheroforphans]

30 minutes ago, starlight said:

instagram

Hmm depends, if we just follow religious accounts it can be more enlightening and spiritually uplifting than Shiachat imo.

[baqar]

9 hours ago, yashia said:

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

That is actually quite correct and is true all over the Internet.

Look at Twitter, Facebook, and all the rest of them

As far as I am concerned, Islam actually discourages too much talk.

So you  do have a point there.

[baqar]

9 hours ago, yashia said:

Nothing is for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing is constructive. 

Brother, that is not entirely true.

The proportion of useful material to the total may not always be very high.

But some of the discussions are surely useful and constructive.

[hasanhh]

10 hours ago, yashia said:

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

People are forgetting what it means to believe . . .

Some of this shows how little some of us do not study or only parrot a marja or Qur'an.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

10 hours ago, yashia said:

People are forgetting what it means to believe in Shia Islam & Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) because they are following western inclinations and intentions as well as other meaningless speech and empty words.

That is partially true, do we have control over people? No, we do not control but ourselves. Also eastern culture is just as frivolous and perverse as western culture, technically speaking we should be following Islamic culture.

 

10 hours ago, yashia said:

Nothing is for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing is constructive. 

What do you mean by this? If I were you, I would refrain from strange statements like this.

 

10 hours ago, yashia said:

Ask yourself the last time you made a post or made a comment for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), for the sake of gaining something special. Not for the sake of fun, games and play as well as vain talk.

Have you seen the Salawat thread? Have you participated in Sunni Shia discussions? If one were most of their time in the Off Topic thread, I could see how they might come to the same conclusion as you. This is an unfair  generalization.

10 hours ago, yashia said:

Think about this. 

#IslamOverSecularistNihilismAndGoallessness

Think about this, ShiaChat has been around since 1998. Surely, they must be doing something right.

#Beggarscan'tbechoosers

[ShiaChat Mod]

On 1/17/2020 at 7:47 PM, yashia said:

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

Actually, I’m sorry to say the number of new topics and posts has been declining for years.

Quality, however, is subjective.

[yashia]

On 1/18/2020 at 12:55 PM, Moalfas said:

I don't think Imam Ali (عليه السلام) would make such sweeping statements.

Imam Al-Hussein (عليه السلام) said:

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"My struggle, is against a community which is willing to change Islam to suit it's needs, but unwilling to change itself to suit Islam's divine instructions."

 

[Moalfas]

5 hours ago, yashia said:

Imam Al-Hussein (عليه السلام) said:

ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ

Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good advice 

AnNahl 16/125

Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) don't make sweeping statements. Their guidance is delivered through their beautiful, inclusive and welcoming Akhlaq.  

[The Green Knight]

5 hours ago, yashia said:

Imam Al-Hussein (عليه السلام) said:

"My struggle, is against a community which is willing to change Islam to suit it's needs, but unwilling to change itself to suit Islam's divine instructions." 

SubhanAllah.

And with this, I think the brother's purpose with this thread becomes clearer. Or at least I can understand more clearly what sort of posts / threads he has been referring to.

Edited January 19, 2020 by The Green Knight

[The Green Knight]

@yashia

I just made this for you.

[yashia]

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I don't think Imam Ali (عليه السلام) would make such sweeping statements.

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) says in the Holy Qur'an:

"And the Rasoul said, Ya Rab, verily my people have taken this Qur'an (as something) abandoned/forsaken/deserted."

[The Green Knight]

5 hours ago, yashia said:

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) says in the Holy Qur'an:

"And the Rasoul said, Ya Rab, verily my people have taken this Qur'an (as something) abandoned/forsaken/deserted."

[Moalfas]

On 1/18/2020 at 12:47 AM, yashia said:

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

People are forgetting what it means to believe in Shia Islam & Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) because they are following western inclinations and intentions as well as other meaningless speech and empty words.

Nothing is for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing is constructive. 

Ask yourself the last time you made a post or made a comment for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), for the sake of gaining something special. Not for the sake of fun, games and play as well as vain talk.

 

Think about this. 

Thank you for sharing the verse and narrations.

I believe you'll find it very difficult to provide evidence of the Qur'an or the Imams (عليه السلام) addressing groups with the generalisations and sweeping statements that you addressed this group with. 

Point being, there are better ways for you to invite people to the path of Allah Ta'ala. 

Wasalam 

[yashia]

13 hours ago, Moalfas said:

Thank you for sharing the verse and narrations.

I believe you'll find it very difficult to provide evidence of the Qur'an or the Imams (عليه السلام) addressing groups with the generalisations and sweeping statements that you addressed this group with. 

Point being, there are better ways for you to invite people to the path of Allah Ta'ala. 

Wasalam 

I have quoted my references. 

And here are more references.

The Qur'an says most people are astray, Imam Jaffar al Sadiq (عليه السلام) said do not follow the common people and Imam Ali (عليه السلام) do not follow the majority follow the truth.

You can be average and go to an average place in the hereafter or you can be sabiqoun in aamel which is much greater as the Holy Qur'an mentions:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

 

35:32

ثُمَّ أَوْرَثْنَا الْكِتَابَ الَّذِينَ اصْطَفَيْنَا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا فَمِنْهُمْ ظَالِمٌ لِّنَفْسِهِ وَمِنْهُم مُّقْتَصِدٌ وَمِنْهُمْ سَابِقٌ بِالْخَيْرَاتِ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ذَٰلِكَ هُوَ الْفَضْلُ الْكَبِيرُ

 

Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by Allah's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

 

صدق الله العلي العظيم

[Moalfas]

13 hours ago, Moalfas said:

Point being, there are better ways for you to invite people to the path of Allah Ta'ala. 

Wasalam 

 

[funklebits]

Salaam Alakuim,

@yashia, I hope this doesn't come across as negative and apologies in advance if it does, but would you mind making a post that you would consider the standard? I am truly curious what it would look like. 

[starlight]

I do not understand the purpose of this thread. Is it subliminal bashing and shaming people?

Are we sitting here giving statements about people's level of Imaan and their intentions when it's been explicitly stated in the Qur'an that only Allah knows what's in the hearts of people. 

@The Green Knight Imam Ali (عليه السلام) isn't here and neither is Imam Hussain(عليه السلام) This is the time of Imam e Zamana(عليه السلام) and when he reappears there are going to a lot of surprises over which people reject him(عليه السلام) and which people he (عليه السلام) rejects. 

Never in the history of Islam have results been a deciding factors, it's always been the efforts made in the way of Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) 

On 1/18/2020 at 5:47 AM, yashia said:

Nothing is for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing is constructive. 

What constructive things have you done on ShiaChat since starting this thread. If you are going to point towards the narrations you shared I don't think they were delivered in a tone which would bring people closer to Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) 

We shall grant that (eternal) abode of the hereafter to those who intend neither high-handedness nor mischief on Earth, and such end is (the best reward) for the righteous" (Qur'an, 28:83).

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I have testified that He sent Muhammed (ص) as His servant and messenger, Prophet, chosen one, loved one, friend, a link [with the Almighty] that grants him [Muhammed] fortune, bringing him closer to Him, elevating him, granting him nearness and closeness [to the Almighty]. He sent him during a good (opportune) period of time, when there was disbelief, as mercy for His servants and a boon for more.

Through him He sealed His prophetic messages, strengthened (explained) His argument. So he admonished, advised, conveyed the message and worked hard [for people. He was, affectionate towards every believer, merciful, easy to please, the friend of anyone who is generous and pure: mercy, salutation, blessing and honor be with him from a forgiving, affectionate, kind, near, responsive and wise Lord  - Imam Ali(عليه السلام) Sermon without Alif

 

[Vindemiatrix]

On 1/18/2020 at 12:47 AM, yashia said:

As time goes by on here it is possible that we are getting more posts + more people on here, with less quality posts and less quality people.

I'd love to see all your "quality posts" please.... 

[The Green Knight]

5 hours ago, starlight said:

Never in the history of Islam have results been a deciding factors, it's always been the efforts made in the way of Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) 

Exactly. "Efforts". The brother yashia has also made an effort. As for results, many have already agreed that the quality has very considerably hit an all time low here on ShiaChat. If his effort is crude and not sugar coated then that is also true. Someone calling others to salvation is not something new. No one should take offense, rather people should try to understand, so the effort is not wasted. For their own sake.

I want to ask you guys, is not the cement of Shiachat which binds us all nothing but the Shia religion? Its the same 1400 years old or rather the timeless religion which God practices Himself. It did not change over time and Its not going to change. It keeps us all together here.

We log on here only to meet other Shia of Ali (عليه السلام). There are and will always be certain expectations.

Think about it.

[2Timeless]

On 1/18/2020 at 12:47 AM, yashia said:

with less quality posts

Ever considered that this is because ShiaChat has become so male dominated? What was the last post made by a woman? I guarantee you it has more substance than the oh-so-important threads created by the men. 

[The Green Knight]

14 minutes ago, 2Timeless said:

Ever considered that this is because ShiaChat has become so male dominated? What was the last post made by a woman? I guarantee you it has more substance than the oh-so-important threads created by the men. 

[Moalfas]

1 hour ago, 2Timeless said:

Ever considered that this is because ShiaChat has become so male dominated? What was the last post made by a woman? I guarantee you it has more substance than the oh-so-important threads created by the men. 

[yashia]

I just wanted to say that I haven't replied on here as there was a narration I wanted to find however I couldn't find it. It was from the words of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) about management.

It said how we should reward good doers and we should do the opposite for evil doers as doing the opposite or treating the evil doers the same as the good doers will cause an equilibrium of bad in the society as the good people will no longer feel motivated to do good.

 

Another reason why I have made this thread is I don't want people to follow their desires that are freely accessible in our time and aim to be very average in faith and in the hereafter. There are many narrations about the time we live in and I want you all to look at the narration where Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said peoples families will even encourage their children to sin and his companions were very shocked.

I agree with @starlight about the narration of being nice and moderate and easy going with people. I want everyone however to also realise different matters require various responses there are also narrations that say a believer is cautious in his lenience and when leniency is unsuitable then harshness becomes lenience. 

 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) help us all including me become able to balance all these hadiths out and know when, where and how to use them all.

والاخر دعوانا الحمد الله رب العالمين

اللهم صل على سيدنا محمد وآل الطاهرين

 

[yashia]

On 1/21/2020 at 11:52 PM, 2Timeless said:

Ever considered that this is because ShiaChat has become so male dominated? What was the last post made by a woman? I guarantee you it has more substance than the oh-so-important threads created by the men. 

There are both good and bad men and women.

[Moalfas]

Here's the 'better quality posts' the OP @yashia was referring to: 

 

Perhaps @The Green Knight can put this foul abuse in a meme as well? Lol 

 

[yashia]

19 hours ago, Moalfas said:

Here's the 'better quality posts' the OP @yashia was referring to: 

 

Perhaps @The Green Knight can put this foul abuse in a meme as well? Lol 

 

Oh yeah?

Well الله يلعنك كمان

[yashia]

.واكتر

[yashia]

الله يستفل فيمكن ويلعنكن كلكن

[yashia]

الله يدمركن

[Moalfas]

1 hour ago, yashia said:

Oh yeah?

Well الله يلعنك كمان

 

1 hour ago, yashia said:

.واكتر

 

1 hour ago, yashia said:

الله يستفل فيمكن ويلعنكن كلكن

 

1 hour ago, yashia said:

الله يدمركن

A quick translation of the OPs words: 

 

'May Allah curse you too'

'And more' 

'May Allah deal with you all and curse you all' 

'May Allah destroy you all' 

 

I'm glad the OP took my suggestion and did not end his foul abuse with a Salawat lol 

 

اللهم صل على محمد و ال محمد