Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752

[Hassu93]

Looks like Iran did shoot down the Jet

 

https://t.co/JMUJhBWG6V?amp=1

[Silas]

46 minutes ago, Hassu93 said:

Looks like Iran did shoot down the Jet

 

https://t.co/JMUJhBWG6V?amp=1

The US media is saying that. Might be true, but ...

I wouldn't put it past Israel or the US government shooting down that jet to stoke international outrage against the Iranians.

[Hassu93]

14 minutes ago, Silas said:

The US media is saying that. Might be true, but ...

I wouldn't put it past Israel or the US government shooting down that jet to stoke international outrage against the Iranians.

If a missile was launched from a foreign airbase it would have been easily detected. No way USA or Israel had a hand in that and Iran who were on high alert had no idea.

Edited January 9, 2020 by Hassu93

[TryHard]

On 1/9/2020 at 11:19 AM, Hassu93 said:

Looks like Iran did shoot down the Jet

 

https://t.co/JMUJhBWG6V?amp=1

whats up with you quoting anti Iran sources and then immediately taking them as fact? You say on your profile you are Muslim? Do you hate Shia or something? Also this Topic is on Hajj Qassim Sulaymani (رضي الله عنه). 

[TryHard]

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/09/615758/Iran-IRGC-warning-United-States-starting-point-great-operation-Middle-East-Soleimani-assassination-Trump?fbclid=IwAR3opgFk6HAvu6ezj4VT5W9kSGNf0hjHYtJZm76YwafSI-uLIaXa2ZM9cGU

[Mohammadi_follower]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

I agree about what you said above. My father said Trump is lying about the casualties because if it’s true and he didn’t attack Iran back, no one will respect him. So he lied saying no one died and he will not attack Iran. 

Maybe we will know the truth only in the future. 

[Hassu93]

19 minutes ago, TryHard said:

whats up with you quoting anti Iran sources and then immediately taking them as fact? You say on your profile you are Muslim? Do you hate Shia or something? Also this Topic is on Hajj Qassim Sulaymani (رضي الله عنه). 

Because I quote some news which are being reported widely doesn't make me less Muslim or Shia.

Also no way was I anti-Iran in this whole thread. Just because I wanted to know facts which are clearly being twisted and don't seem to be in favour of Iran you are accusing me of hating Shia.

I have huge respect for Qassem Soleimani and I have praised him several times in this sub.

[Son of Placid]

1 hour ago, TryHard said:

whats up with you quoting anti Iran sources and then immediately taking them as fact? You say on your profile you are Muslim? Do you hate Shia or something? Also this Topic is on Hajj Qassim Sulaymani (رضي الله عنه). 

I guess you get to decide who says what on this thread. Why aren't you out there hunting Americans?  Keyboard warriors are only worth so much.

[Son of Placid]

Look who's mourning now...

All strikes were surface to surface, explain surface to air.

Iranians, Canadians. Friendly fire?

Edited January 9, 2020 by Son of Placid

[notme]

18 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

Iranians, Canadians. Friendly fire?

It is always innocent bystanders who suffer the most in war. Prayers for the families of those on the civilian plane, regardless of how it happened. I don't trust reports from the US or Iranian government. 

But that deserves it's own topic. It isn't the matter for this discussion. 

[notme]

16 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

If US soldiers really did die they cannot hide it. They would have to send their bodies back home and would be caught.

My stepfather's brother was killed in Vietnam in 1968. It wasn't until within the past few years that the information was released that he was murdered by another American, not killed in combat. The family had been lied to for nearly fifty years. Bodies do not confirm missle deaths and the military does lie to cover up crimes. 

[Revert1963]

2 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

Looks like Iran did shoot down the Jet

We just don't know yet. It could still be an accident even though the timing is peculiar close to the attack on the American bases. We don't know if it is related to that attack though it might be. If it is, we don't know if the Iranian air-defenses shot it down by mistake, or if it was sabotage to make it look like the Iranians did it, or somebody other fired a handheld anti-air missile from a location close to the planes route, also to make Iranians look bad. We know that the American knew in advance when the missiles was coming and it is not beyond them to provoke such an accident. The Israelis has done the same it with a Russian surveillance plain in Syria. We also know that the Americans has been smuggling weapons into Iran. Some of which was found during the riots last year. So such a scenario is plausible even though the western media would brand it a conspiracy theory.

1 hour ago, TryHard said:

whats up with you quoting anti Iran sources and then immediately taking them as fact? You say on your profile you are Muslim? Do you hate Shia or something

Even if we are 110% pro Iranian we don't need to be "fact-resistant." It is absolutely a possibility that the Iranian air defenses might have shot it down by mistake. It is definitely not the only scenario, but we can not rule out that some Iranian soldier made a fatal mistake. Who ever is responsible for the plane crash it only adds to the tragedy of the death's of Soleimani and Al-Mohandes.

Edited January 9, 2020 by Revert1963

[iCenozoic]

The timing of the plane crash does seem strange. Almost too coincidental.

As Carl Sagan would say. We've entered an age where we have the technology to take us to the moon. But of course that same technology can also destroy us.

[Son of Placid]

40 minutes ago, Revert1963 said:

We just don't know yet. It could still be an accident even though the timing is peculiar close to the attack on the American bases. We don't know if it is related to that attack though it might be. If it is, we don't know if the Iranian air-defenses shot it down by mistake, or if it was sabotage to make it look like the Iranians did it, or somebody other fired a handheld anti-air missile from a location close to the planes route, also to make Iranians look bad. We know that the American knew in advance when the missiles was coming and it is not beyond them to provoke such an accident. The Israelis has done the same it with a Russian surveillance plain in Syria. We also know that the Americans has been smuggling weapons into Iran. Some of which was found during the riots last year. So such a scenario is plausible even though the western media would brand it a conspiracy theory.

Even if we are 110% pro Iranian we don't need to be "fact-resistant." It is absolutely a possibility that the Iranian air defenses might have shot it down by mistake. It is definitely not the only scenario, but we can not rule out that some Iranian soldier made a fatal mistake. Who ever is responsible for the plane crash it only adds to the tragedy of the death's of Soleimani and Al-Mohandes.

I think Justin Trudeau is the only one holding on to the tragedy, accident theory now. When the culprits are named he will offer them a condo in Toronto.

I can't see Iran organizing this. Killing their own people to prove what point. It doesn't make sense this was part of the retaliation. I'd be thinking it's a third party disruption. 

[TryHard]

3 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

Because I quote some news which are being reported widely doesn't make me less Muslim or Shia.

Also no way was I anti-Iran in this whole thread. Just because I wanted to know facts which are clearly being twisted and don't seem to be in favour of Iran you are accusing me of hating Shia.

I have huge respect for Qassem Soleimani and I have praised him several times in this sub.

You immediatly qoute BBC (clearly anti Iran source) and immediately present it as fact. If you respected Sulaymani you would not be qouting the same sources that claim he is a terrorist as fact. So if BBC said the lies about Islam (which they have in previous documentaries) would you automatically post it here and say its true?  Why then when it comes to Iran are you so loose. You are accusing me of twisting things just because I don't blindly post from Zionist sources like you.

Edited January 9, 2020 by TryHard

[TryHard]

1 hour ago, Revert1963 said:

Even if we are 110% pro Iranian we don't need to be "fact-resistant." It is absolutely a possibility that the Iranian air defenses might have shot it down by mistake. It is definitely not the only scenario, but we can not rule out that some Iranian soldier made a fatal mistake. Who ever is responsible for the plane crash it only adds to the tragedy of the death's of Soleimani and Al-Mohandes.

My issue is he is just blindly posting and claiming things are true when a Zionist/anti Islam source says so. He says "Looks like Iran did shoot down the Jet" as soon as he hears the BBC say so. As for this crash it doesn't seem like it was shot down, It may be sabotage as it is an American Plane (a Boeing). 

Edited January 9, 2020 by TryHard

[Son of Placid]

14 minutes ago, TryHard said:

My issue is he is just blindly posting and claiming things are true when a Zionist/anti Islam source says so. He says "Looks like Iran did shoot down the Jet" as soon as he hears the BBC say so. As for this crash it doesn't seem like it was shot down, It may be sabotage as it is an American Plane (a Boeing). 

Any Boeing will do? I'd really need to see your sources.

 

[TryHard]

1 minute ago, Son of Placid said:

Any Boeing will do? I'd really need to see your sources.

 

Boeing is an American company just google Boeing. 

[Maryaam]

1 hour ago, Son of Placid said:

I think Justin Trudeau is the only one holding on to the tragedy, accident theory now. When the culprits are named he will offer them a condo in Toronto.

I can't see Iran organizing this. Killing their own people to prove what point. It doesn't make sense this was part of the retaliation. I'd be thinking it's a third party disruption. 

LOL. ITA.   ....A condo in Trudeau land, an indexed pension plan, life long diplomatic immunity... etc.

Something is going on.. wonder if we will ever know.

I was with people last night who knew victims of this disaster.  Their friends and families will not accept this media snow job.

Shooting down a plane minutes after leaving your own airport, directed by your own air traffic control, executed by your own military, is not an accident.  Something smells very bad here.  

The almost manic news releases of the US, Canada and the UK to all but proclaim this an accident (before any meaningful internal investigation) also smells.

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by Maryaam

[Son of Placid]

1 minute ago, TryHard said:

Boeing is an American company just google Boeing. 

Wow, that's vengeance to a fault. Lemme see. No matter owned by Ukraine, no matter full of Iranians, just American made plane.

Why not shoot this one?

 

[TryHard]

2 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

Wow, that's vengeance to a fault. Lemme see. No matter owned by Ukraine, no matter full of Iranians, just American made plane.

Why not shoot this one?

 

didn't say its for sure but who knows. I don't believe it was shot down though. If its confirmed to be CIA sabotage it will make things worse

[Son of Placid]

6 hours ago, Maryaam said:

LOL. ITA.   ....A condo in Trudeau land, an indexed pension plan, life long diplomatic immunity... etc.

Something is going on.. wonder if we will ever know.

I was with people last night who knew victims of this tragedy.  Their friends and families will not accept this media snow job. Shooting down a plane minutes after leaving your own airport, directed by your own air traffic control, executed by your own military, is not an accident.  Something smells very bad here.  The almost manic news releases of the US, Canada and the UK to all but proclaim this an accident (before any meaningful internal investigation) also smells.

Doesn't Justin look cute with his new Soleimani beard?  There are laws against Islamophobia in Canada so   nothing is going on.  

[Son of Placid]

11 minutes ago, TryHard said:

didn't say its for sure but who knows. I don't believe it was shot down though. If its confirmed to be CIA sabotage it will make things worse

I'd still like to know what you consider a reliable source. 

[Soldiers and Saffron]

You guys don’t think they know what planes are flying over their own air space at a time like this?

The accusation that Iran would have shot down a civilian airplane taken off from their own capital city minutes after take off by mistake is a really ridiculous and far fetched accusation born out of desperation.

[hasanhh]

11 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

Looks like Iran did shoot down the Jet

https://t.co/JMUJhBWG6V?amp=1

Iran was readying missiles and their movement was on the news a couple of days before, moving them into position.

My assumption, since lran would not activate any system to shoot-down their own missiles -lRGC in particular, is that the plane hit a drone. lsraeli most likely or US. See:  https://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-altitude_long-endurance_unmanned_aerial_vehicle 

These cited drones all operate in the altitude(range) where the "sudden" and "catastrophic" event occured. Even in the US aircraft have struck drones.

Since it occurred at the same time as the missile launches, the drone operator was mostly likely concentrating on information aquisition from the launch rather than on the space around the drone.

Someone have a map of where the missiles were launched from?

[hasanhh]

3 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

Look who's mourning now...

All strikes were surface to surface, explain surface to air.

Iranians, Canadians. Friendly fire?

You need to elaborate because l miss your point. Thanx.

[Son of Placid]

5 hours ago, hasanhh said:

You need to elaborate because l miss your point. Thanx.

82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, three Britons, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and 0 Americans. It's the only thing on Canadian TV, University students U of Alberta.

 

I don't know if this is considered a reliable source

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870409/Video-appears-surface-air-missile-hitting-Ukrainian-plane-moments-crashed.html?fbclid=IwAR3hQy40uCvSFJra_S5inLshTUC65S6b-zFFGNoOB0l8PlQ2SBSEwCi1mW8

[Moalfas]

4 hours ago, TryHard said:

whats up with you quoting anti Iran sources and then immediately taking them as fact? You say on your profile you are Muslim? Do you hate Shia or something? 

It should actually be:

What's up with YOU questioning his faith and  accusing him of hating Shia just because he quoted the BBC, as if the sources you quote are any less bias in pushing their own agenda?

 

1 hour ago, TryHard said:

You immediatly qoute BBC (clearly anti Iran source) and immediately present it as fact.

Don't you quote press tv and present it as fact?

He can quote what he likes and present it the way he pleases and you have the opportunity to voice your opinion without resorting to personal attacks.  

Don't go around questioning people's faith and accusing them of hating Shia just because they quote sources you don't like; and also know that 'Shia' is much more than just Iran. 

I suggest you 'try hard' at avoiding such divisive labelling. 

[hasanhh]

5 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, three Britons, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and 0 Americans. It's the only thing on Canadian TV, University students U of Alberta.

 

I don't know if this is considered a reliable source

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870409/Video-appears-surface-air-missile-hitting-Ukrainian-plane-moments-crashed.html?fbclid=IwAR3hQy40uCvSFJra_S5inLshTUC65S6b-zFFGNoOB0l8PlQ2SBSEwCi1mW8

lf it is the same video, France24 said it is unverified.

Also, l am trying to update my post above and the "edit" nction is not working again.

Stupid surveillance programs.

[baqar]

Is there even a remote chance that the US has done it in order to implicate Iran?

I believe the US is consistently trying to support monarchies ever since the end of WWI.

Reason: Monarchs are easier to control than a changing panorama of anti-monarchists.

In some world views, the Iran - US problem can be summed up in one word - love or hate for the monarchical system.

[hasanhh]

33 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Iran was readying missiles and their movement was on the news a couple of days before, moving them into position.

My assumption, since lran would not activate any system to shoot-down their own missiles -lRGC in particular, is that the plane hit a drone. lsraeli most likely or US. See:  https://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-altitude_long-endurance_unmanned_aerial_vehicle 

These cited drones all operate in the altitude(range) where the "sudden" and "catastrophic" event occured. Even in the US aircraft have struck drones.

Since it occurred at the same time as the missile launches, the drone operator was mostly likely concentrating on information aquisition from the launch rather than on the space around the drone.

Someone have a map of where the missiles were launched from?

The Edit that l cannot post is this:

UPDATE:  France24 just reported (l wrote  this after 1800EST) that the crash "happened hours after the missile launches"; US lntell people are (of course) blaming lRl; A drone is another reason cited; Ukraine wants "evidence" and is searching for Russian missile debris; "lf the plane was shot down it would have gone into freefall and not tried to return to the airport"(exact France24 interview quote).

[Son of Placid]

1 hour ago, Maryaam said:

LOL. ITA.   ....A condo in Trudeau land, an indexed pension plan, life long diplomatic immunity... etc.

Something is going on.. wonder if we will ever know.

I was with people last night who knew victims of this disaster.  Their friends and families will not accept this media snow job.shahada

Shooting down a plane minutes after leaving your own airport, directed by your own air traffic control, executed by your own military, is not an accident.  Something smells very bad here.  

The almost manic news releases of the US, Canada and the UK to all but proclaim this an accident (before any meaningful internal investigation) also smells.

 

Nobody wants anybody reported killed, especially Americans. First words from Trump was it may have been an accident. If so, no retaliation required.

As for Canada, Trudeau recited shahada in 2013 and have been welcoming immigrants and refugees at high rates. I don't know how he feels about Iran, he's a Sunni.

[baqar]

1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

"lf the plane was shot down it would have gone into free fall and not tried to return to the airport"(exact France24 interview quote).

Does that men that Iran would not be at fault?

[Son of Placid]

1 minute ago, baqar said:

Does that men that Iran would not be at fault?

It's a whole new twist but would Russia be interested in killing 10 Ukrainians?

[baqar]

I am not Iranian but I really hope that is the case.

Iran has suffered much too much at the hands of the US and his allies (especially UK), especially since Trump has discovered Twitter and treats his Tweets on the same level as his Bible.