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Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) 's Father Abdullah or Imam Hassan?

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I..would..like..to..know..why..in..Sunni..hadith..it..has..been.,reported..that..name..of..father..of..Imam..Mahdi..(عليه السلام)..will..be..Abdullah
I..would..like..to..know..how..do..we..refute..this..from..their..sources..
I..know..it..wouldn't..affect..us..but..still.if..u..have..to..convince..friends..you..have..to..be..kind..enough..to..do..so
 

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45 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

I..would..like..to..know..why..in..Sunni..hadith..it..has..been.,reported..that..name..of..father..of..Imam..Mahdi..(عليه السلام)..will..be..Abdullah
I..would..like..to..know..how..do..we..refute..this..from..their..sources..
I..know..it..wouldn't..affect..us..but..still.if..u..have..to..convince..friends..you..have..to..be..kind..enough..to..do..so
 

https://www.al-Islam.org/Imam-al-Mahdi-twelfth-khalifah-sahih-Sunni-ahadith-toyib-olawuyi/14-Sunni-chase-shadows-name-his

Also, your period button is stuck. 

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  السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

4 hours ago, Diaz said:

This was already dealt with years ago, the article is "deceptive" to say the least.

3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

May Allah have mercy on his soul, but the article is very strange.  First he quotes this from Ibn Taymiyah

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The ahadith that are relied upon as hujjah (proof) for the coming out of the Mahdi are sahih ahadith. Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, Ahmad and others narrated them in the hadith of Ibn Mas’ud and of others

Then this is what he does:

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But, is there really any reliable Sunni hadith establishing that the name of the Mahdi’s father is the same as that of the Prophet’s father? Let us check the riwayat to find out.

We start with this report of Imam al-Hakim (d. 403 H):

Umm What?

The hadeeth is Hassan in Musnad Ahmad (3571-3573, 4098, 4279) Sunan Abi Dawood (4282) and Tirmidhi (2230) who said "وَفِي البَابِ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ، وَأَبِي سَعِيدٍ، وَأُمِّ سَلَمَةَ، وَأَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ وَهَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ" "This chapter includes reports from [Imam] Ali [عليه السلام], Abu Sa'eed, Um Salama and Abu Huraray, and this hadeeth is 'Hassan saheeh.'"

I could find this hadeeth narrated around 89 times, unfortunately, it seems like the author chose the four reports he can weaken, and left the 85 reports (including the ones from the earliest sources) without mention.  May Allah have mercy on him, ameen

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The above quote is what Ibn-Tamiyah admitted that Imam Al-Mahdi will come and these hadiths are sahih.
Then, he quotes riwayahs that has words "His father's name will be same as my father's name" and proves weakness
of such riwayahs and additions.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with two quotes.

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Abu Dawood 4282: (Doesn't has his father's name will be same as my father's name)

حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏أَنَّ عُمَرَ بْنَ عُبَيْدٍ حَدَّثَهُمْ. ح وَحَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْعَلَاءِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرٍ يَعْنِي ابْنَ عَيَّاشٍ. ح وَحَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ سُفْيَانَ. ح وَحَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُوسَى، ‏‏‏‏‏‏أَخْبَرَنَا زَائِدَةُ. ح وَحَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏حَدَّثَنِي عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُوسَى، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ فِطْرٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏الْمَعْنَى وَاحِدٌ كُلُّهُمْ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَاصِمٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ زِرٍّ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْعَبْدِ اللَّهِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ لَوْ لَمْ يَبْقَ مِنَ الدُّنْيَا إِلَّا يَوْمٌ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ زَائِدَةُ فِي حَدِيثِهِ لَطَوَّلَ اللَّهُ ذَلِكَ الْيَوْمَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏ثُمَّ اتَّفَقُوا:‏‏‏‏ حَتَّى يَبْعَثَ فِيهِ رَجُلًا مِنِّي أَوْ مِنْ أَهْلِ بَيْتِي يُوَاطِئُ اسْمُهُ اسْمِي وَاسْمُ أَبِيهِ اسْمَ أَبِي زَادَ فِي حَدِيثِ فِطْرٍ يَمْلَأُ الْأَرْضَ قِسْطًا وَعَدْلًا كَمَا مُلِئَتْ ظُلْمًا وَجَوْرًا، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَقَالَ فِي حَدِيثِ سُفْيَانَ:‏‏‏‏ لَا تَذْهَبُ أَوْ لَا تَنْقَضِي الدُّنْيَا حَتَّى يَمْلِكَ الْعَرَبَ رَجُلٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ بَيْتِي يُوَاطِئُ اسْمُهُ اسْمِي ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُد:‏‏‏‏ لَفْظُ عُمَرَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَأَبِي بَكْرٍ بِمَعْنَى سُفْيَانَ.
 
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Masud: The Prophet صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم Said: If Only One Day Of This World Remained. Allah Would Lengthen That Day (According To The Version Of Zaidah), Till He Raised Up In It A Man Who Belongs To Me Or To My Family Whose Father's Name Is The Same As My Father's, Who Will Fill The Earth With Equity And Justice As It Has Been Filled With Oppression And Tyranny (According To The Version Of Fitr). Sufyan's Version Says: The World Will Not Pass Away Before The Arabs Are Ruled By A Man Of My Family Whose Name Will Be The Same As Mine. Abu Dawud Said: The Version Of Umar And Abu Bakr Is The Same As That Of Sufyan.
 

نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: اگر دنیا کا ایک دن بھی رہ جائے گا تو اللہ تعالیٰ اس دن کو لمبا کر دے گا، یہاں تک کہ اس میں ایک شخص کو مجھ سے یا میرے اہل بیت میں سے اس طرح کا برپا کرے گا کہ اس کا نام میرے نام پر، اور اس کے والد کا نام میرے والد کے نام پر ہو گا، وہ عدل و انصاف سے زمین کو بھر دے گا، جیسا کہ وہ ظلم و جور سے بھر دی گئی ہے ۔ سفیان کی روایت میں ہے: دنیا نہیں جائے گی یا ختم نہیں ہو گی تاآنکہ عربوں کا مالک ایک ایسا شخص ہو جائے جو میرے اہل بیت میں سے ہو گا اس کا نام میرے نام کے موافق ہو گا ۔ ابوداؤد کہتے ہیں: عمر اور ابوبکر کے الفاظ سفیان کی روایت کے مفہوم کے مطابق ہیں۔

 

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Tirimdhi 2230 (Doesn't says his father's name will be same as my father's name):

حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ بْنُ أَسْبَاطِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ الْقُرَشِيُّ الْكُوفِيُّ، قَالَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏حَدَّثَنِي أَبِي، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ الثَّوْرِيُّ، عَنْ عَاصِمِ بْنِ بَهْدَلَةَ، عَنْ زِرٍّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ:‏‏‏‏ لَا تَذْهَبُ الدُّنْيَا حَتَّى يَمْلِكَ الْعَرَبَ رَجُلٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ بَيْتِي يُوَاطِئُ اسْمُهُ اسْمِي ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى:‏‏‏‏ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَأَبِي سَعِيدٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَأُمِّ سَلَمَةَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَأَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَهَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ.
 
Abdullah Narrated That The Messenger Of Allah(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Said: The World Shall Not Pass Away Until A Man From The People Of My Family Rules The Arabs Whose Name Agrees With My Name.
 
رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: ”دنیا اس وقت تک ختم نہیں ہو گی جب تک کہ میرے گھرانے کا ایک آدمی جو میرا ہم نام ہو گا عرب کا بادشاہ نہ بن جائے گا“۔ امام ترمذی کہتے ہیں: ۱- یہ حدیث حسن صحیح ہے، ۲- اس باب میں علی، ابو سعید خدری، ام سلمہ اور ابوہریرہ رضی الله عنہم سے بھی احادیث آئی ہیں۔

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On 1/11/2020 at 12:47 AM, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

I..would..like..to..know..why..in..Sunni..hadith..it..has..been.,reported..that..name..of..father..of..Imam..Mahdi..(عليه السلام)..will..be..Abdullah
I..would..like..to..know..how..do..we..refute..this..from..their..sources..
I..know..it..wouldn't..affect..us..but..still.if..u..have..to..convince..friends..you..have..to..be..kind..enough..to..do..so
 

Shia believe that Imam Mahdi is the only son of Imam Hasan al-Askari (the 11th Imam) who was born on 15th of Sha'ban 255/869 in Samarra, Iraq. He became the God-appointed Imam when his father was martyred in 260/874. Imam Mahdi went into occultation (disappearance; leaving among people while they can't recognize him) at the same time. He will re-appear when Allah wills. More specifically: His title is "al-Mahdi" which means "The Guided One."

His name is Muhammad Ibn al-Hassan ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). His lineage, traced back to al-Imam Ali ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)), is: Muhammad Ibn al-Hassan Ibn Ali Ibn Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn Musa Ibn Ja'far Ibn Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn al-Hussain Ibn Ali Ibn Abi Talib (PBU THEM).

On the other hand, the majority of Sunnis are not so sure that he has been born yet. They believe he will be born forty years before his mission. The name of Imam Mahdi is Muhammad (which is the same as what Shia believe). There is however one single Sunni report which adds that the name of the father of Imam Mahdi is Abdullah while one of greatest Sunni scholars (Ganji-Shafeei) believes that Imam Mahdi was born five years before his father martyrdom and he is in occultation (exactly like Shia) also believe this tradition is a fictitious tradition. (Albayan fi Akhbare Sahib Az-Zaman)

Question 5:

Who was his father?

Answer 5: Shia Scholars along with some Sunni scholars believe that his father was Imam Hassan Askari (d.260/874). Below I have included the name of 31 Sunni scholars who confirm this fact. The overwhelming majority of prophetic traditions about Imam Mahdi (some of which I mentioned in the previous part) state that the name of Imam Mahdi is the same as the name of Prophet (Muhammad). However there exists a single Sunni report that has an additional phrase concerning that his father's name is also similar to that of Prophet's father (Abdullah). This extra phrase does NOT exist in all other reports by Shia and Sunni who narrated the first part of the Hadith. Moreover, the extra phrase in some Shia traditions is in the form of (that his nickname is the same as Prophets nickname Abul-Qasim) which is correct.

The single report which has the additional phrase (that his father's name is the same as that of Prophet's father) has been probably fabricated by Abdullah Ibn al-Hasan (Muthanna; the second) Ibn (Imam) al-Hasan ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). Abdullah (d. 145/762) had a son named Muhammad who called him "Nafs al-Zakiyyah" and the al-Mahdi. (See Ibn Taqtuqa, al-Fikr fil-adab al- Sultaniyyah, PP 165-166). Abdullah used all his power and wealth to support the revolt of his son. Abdullah concealed his son several times in Umayyad period when there was still no danger for him. When he was asked why he did this, he said: "What an idea, their time has not come yet." (Muruj al- Dhahab, by al-Masudi, V6, PP 107-108). The first time Muhammad wrote a letter the Abbasid Caliph, al-Mansur, he wrote: "From Muhammad Ibn Abdillah, the Mahdi,..." (Tabari, V3, P29, Ibn Kathir V10, P85, Ibn Khaldun, V4, P4).

Muhammad Ibn Abdillah started his claims at the end of the rule of Umayad caliphs. Muhammad became powerful and tried to gain the support of the last Umayyad Caliph who was Marwan Ibn Muhammad (132/750), but the Caliph did not pay attention to him. Abul Abbas al-Falasti said to Marwan: "Muhammad Ibn Abdollah is striving to gain the power for he is claiming to be al-Mahdi". Marwan replied: "What does he have to do with me? (the Mahdi) is not him, nor any of his father's descendants. He will be the son of a slave woman."

When Marwan said that Mahdi ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) is not one of his father's descendants, he meant the descendants of Imam Hassan Mujtaba ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))(the first son of Imam Ali Ibn Abitalib PBUTH), while Mahdi ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) is the descendant of Imam Hussain ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) and is son of a slave woman. Even Marwan was aware of these traditions because of which he did not pay attention to Muhammad Ibn Abdillah. This shows that the true versions of traditions from Prophet were wide-spread.

There is also a very small possibility that the fabrication of that extra phrase was done the Abbasid Caliph, Abdullah al-Mansur, who called his son the Mahdi. Muslim Ibn Qutaybah said: "Mansur called me and said: Muhammad Ibn Abdillah rebelled and he called himself the Mahdi. By Allah he is not. I will tell you something else which I have told no one before, and will tell no one after you. By Allah my son is not the Mahdi either but I did so to make a good future for him."

From all above it can be seen that the fabrication of the single report which includes that extra phrase, could be reconciled on Muhammad Ibn Abdillah and/or the Abbasid Caliph, al-Mahdi. This is not the place to examine the Hadith critically, but merely to point out the historical background of it.

http://en.al-Shia.org/content/Imam-Mahdi-birth-and-his-parents-Sunni-traditions

"Even if the entire duration of the world's existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left before Doomsday (the Day of judgment), Allah will expand that day to such a length of time, as to accommodate the kingdom of a person out of my Progeny who will be called by my Name. He will then fill out the Earth with peace and justice as it will have been full of injustice and tyranny before then".

Sunni Reference: Sahih Tirmidhi, V2, P86, V9, P74-75 

5) The name of al-Mahdi's father is similar to the name of my son al-Hasan.(7)

7. al-Haythami, al-Sawa`iq al-Muhriqa, 100.

http://en.al-Shia.org/content/traditions-concerning-al-qaim-al-Mahdi

Edited by Muslim2010

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21 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:


The above quote is what Ibn-Tamiyah admitted that Imam Al-Mahdi will come and these hadiths are sahih.
Then, he quotes riwayahs that has words "His father's name will be same as my father's name" and proves weakness
of such riwayahs and additions.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with two quotes.

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

My issue is that he quotes Ibn Taymiyyah who relies on the ahadeeth in Abu Dawood, Tirmidith and the Musnad, then he goes to weaken the narrations found in al-Mustadrak and other secondary sources.  I'm not sure how you don't see a problem in the brother's methodology. 

21 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Abu Dawood 4282: (Doesn't has his father's name will be same as my father's name)

‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ لَوْ لَمْ يَبْقَ مِنَ الدُّنْيَا إِلَّا يَوْمٌ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ زَائِدَةُ فِي حَدِيثِهِ لَطَوَّلَ اللَّهُ ذَلِكَ الْيَوْمَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏ثُمَّ اتَّفَقُوا:‏‏‏‏ حَتَّى يَبْعَثَ فِيهِ رَجُلًا مِنِّي أَوْ مِنْ أَهْلِ بَيْتِي يُوَاطِئُ اسْمُهُ اسْمِي وَاسْمُ أَبِيهِ اسْمَ أَبِي.

 

Yes it does, the translation you have is incomplete. The Tirmidhi report, however, does not say that you are right.  There are saheeh reports however, in addition to the Abu Dawood report, which mention that his name will be like the name of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم's father such as in Saheeh ibn Hibban (236).

21 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

Shia Scholars along with some Sunni scholars believe that his father was Imam Hassan Askari (d.260/874). Below I have included the name of 31 Sunni scholars who confirm this fact. >>> al-Hasan.(7)

7. al-Haythami, al-Sawa`iq al-Muhriqa, 100.

http://en.al-Shia.org/content/traditions-concerning-al-qaim-al-Mahdi

As has been mentioned before, this is a very poor article, the author is literally quoting from a book called "الصواعق المحرقة على أهل الرفض والضلال والزندقة" do you sincerely believe a guy who wrote a book with that title believes that the Mahdi is al-Hassan al-Askari رضي الله عنه's son?

 

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7 minutes ago, Cyrax said:

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

My issue is that he quotes Ibn Taymiyyah who relies on the ahadeeth in Abu Dawood, Tirmidith and the Musnad, then he goes to weaken the narrations found in al-Mustadrak and other secondary sources.  I'm not sure how you don't see a problem in the brother's methodology. 

Yes it does, the translation you have is incomplete. The Tirmidhi report, however, does not say that you are right.  There are saheeh reports however, in addition to the Abu Dawood report, which mention that his name will be like the name of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم's father such as in Saheeh ibn Hibban (236).

As has been mentioned before, this is a very poor article, the author is literally quoting from a book called "الصواعق المحرقة على أهل الرفض والضلال والزندقة" do you sincerely believe a guy who wrote a book with that title believes that the Mahdi is al-Hassan al-Askari رضي الله عنه's son?

 

I didnt pay attention to that since I took that from sunnah.com
I see that there.
The author of As sawaiq AL Muharriqa has said the scholors of Sunnis have believed that Mahdi (عليه السلام) is son of Imam Hassan
This doesn't have to do with beliefs of author of book rather affirmation that some scholors of ahle sunnah have really believed in that.
thats what he wanted to say

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On 1/11/2020 at 1:47 PM, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

I..would..like..to..know..why..in..Sunni..hadith..it..has..been.,reported..that..name..of..father..of..Imam..Mahdi..(عليه السلام)..will..be..Abdullah
I..would..like..to..know..how..do..we..refute..this..from..their..sources..
I..know..it..wouldn't..affect..us..but..still.if..u..have..to..convince..friends..you..have..to..be..kind..enough..to..do..so
 

The real question before me is that Prophet (PBUHHP) said: "World would not exist if in it there is not one who is vicegerent of Allah (عزّ وجلّ)". This is enough proof that father of Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) is Imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام).

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15 hours ago, Cyrax said:

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Yes it does, the translation you have is incomplete. The Tirmidhi report, however, does not say that you are right.  There are saheeh reports however, in addition to the Abu Dawood report, which mention that his name will be like the name of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم's father such as in Saheeh ibn Hibban (236).

As has been mentioned before, this is a very poor article, the author is literally quoting from a book called "الصواعق المحرقة على أهل الرفض والضلال والزندقة" do you sincerely believe a guy who wrote a book with that title believes that the Mahdi is al-Hassan al-Askari رضي الله عنه's son?

 

"Even if the entire duration of the world's existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left before Doomsday (the Day of judgment), Allah will expand that day to such a length of time, as to accommodate the kingdom of a person out of my Progeny who will be called by my Name. He will then fill out the Earth with peace and justice as it will have been full of injustice and tyranny before then".

Sunni Reference: Sahih Tirmidhi, V2, P86, V9, P74-75 

What do you consider the above hadith from Tirmizi?

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  السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

7 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

I didnt pay attention to that since I took that from sunnah.com
I see that there.
The author of As sawaiq AL Muharriqa has said the scholors of Sunnis have believed that Mahdi (عليه السلام) is son of Imam Hassan
This doesn't have to do with beliefs of author of book rather affirmation that some scholors of ahle sunnah have really believed in that.
thats what he wanted to say

I'm glad to see that you realized your error on that one, بارك الله فيك.

Can you show me where he says that, because the copy I have is 2 volumes, and page 100 doesn't have anything to do with the issue.  What I have found, which was relevant to the topic was this, on volume 2 page 481:

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وَرِوَايَة كَونه من ولد الْحُسَيْن واهية جدا وَمَعَ ذَلِك لَا حجَّة فِيهِ لما زعمته الرافضة أَن الْمهْدي هُوَ الإِمَام أَبُو الْقَاسِم مُحَمَّد الْحجَّة بن الْحسن العسكري ثَانِي عشر الْأَئِمَّة الآتين فِي الْفَصْل الْآتِي على اعْتِقَاد الإمامية
وَمِمَّا يرد عَلَيْهِم مَا صَحَّ أَن اسْم أبي الْمهْدي يُوَافق اسْم أبي النَّبِي صلى الله عَلَيْهِ وَسلم وَاسم أبي مُحَمَّد الْحجَّة لَا يُوَافق ذَلِك وَيَردهُ أَيْضا قَول عَليّ مولد الْمهْدي بِالْمَدِينَةِ
وَمُحَمّد الْحجَّة هَذ إِنَّمَا ولد بسر من رأى سنة خمس وَخمسين وَمِائَتَيْنِ
وَمن المجازفات والجهالات زعم بَعضهم أَن رِوَايَة إِنَّه من أَوْلَاد الْحسن وَرِوَايَة اسْم أَبِيه اسْم أبي كل مِنْهُمَا وهم
وزعمه أَيْضا أَن الْأمة أَجمعت على أَنه من أَوْلَاد الْحُسَيْن وأنى لَهُ بتوهيم الروَاة بالتشهي وَنقل الْإِجْمَاع بِمُجَرَّد التخمين والحدس والقائلون من الرافضة بِأَن الْحجَّة هَذَا هُوَ الْمهْدي يَقُولُونَ لم يخلف أَبوهُ غَيره وَمَات وعمره خمس سِنِين آتَاهُ الله فِيهَا الْحِكْمَة   كَمَا آتاها يحيى عَلَيْهِ الصَّلَاة وَالسَّلَام صَبيا وَجعله إِمَامًا فِي حَال الطفولية كَمَا جعلعِيسَى عَلَيْهِ السَّلَام
كَذَلِك توفّي أَبوهُ بسر من رأى وتستر هُوَ بِالْمَدِينَةِ وَله غيبتان صغرى من مُنْذُ وِلَادَته إِلَى انْقِطَاع السفارة بَينه وَبَين شيعته وكبرى وَفِي آخرهَا يقوم وَكَانَ فَقده يَوْم الْجُمُعَة سنة سِتّ وَتِسْعين وَمِائَتَيْنِ
فَلم يدر أَيْن ذهب خَافَ على نَفسه فَغَاب فَقَالَ ابْن خلكان والشيعة ترى فِيهِ أَنه المنتظر والقائم الْمهْدي وَهُوَ صَاحب السرداب عِنْدهم وأقاويلهم فِيهِ كَثِيرَة وهم ينتظرون خُرُوجه آخر الزَّمَان من السرداب بسر من رأى دخله فِي دَار أَبِيه وَأمه تنظر إِلَيْهِ سنة خمس وَسِتِّينَ وَمِائَتَيْنِ وعمره حِينَئِذٍ تسع سِنِين فَلم يعد يخرج إِلَيْهَا وَقيل دخله وعمره أَربع وَقيل خمس وَقيل سَبْعَة عشر
انْتهى مُلَخصا
وَالْكثير على أَن العسكري لم يكن لَهُ ولد لطلب أَخِيه جَعْفَر مِيرَاثه من تركته لما مَاتَ فَدلَّ طلبه أَن أَخَاهُ لَا ولد لَهُ وَإِلَّا لم يَسعهُ الطّلب وَحكى السُّبْكِيّ عَن جُمْهُور الرافضة أَنهم قَائِلُونَ بِأَنَّهُ لَا عقب للعسكري وَأَنه لم يثبت لَهُ ولد بعد أَن تعصب قوم لإثباته وَأَن أَخَاهُ جعفرا أَخذ مِيرَاثه
وجعفر هَذَا ضللته فرقة من لاشيعة ونسبوه للكذب فِي ادعائه مِيرَاث أَخِيه وَلذَا سموهُ وَاتبعهُ فرقة وأثبتوا لَهُ الْإِمَامَة
وَالْحَاصِل أَنهم تنازعوا فِي المنتظر بعد وَفَاة العسكري على عشْرين فرقة وَأَن الْجُمْهُور غير الإمامية على أَن الْمهْدي غير الْحجَّة هَذَا إِذْ تغيب شخص هَذِه الْمدَّة المديدة من خوارق الْعَادَات فَلَو كَانَ هُوَ لَكَانَ وَصفه صلى الله عَلَيْهِ وَسلم بذلك أظهر من

There is too much to translate there, but it is enough to show just how insincere the author of the article was.  Its literally like quoting a quote from TSD and saying "look, even Sunnis agree with the Shi'a on this issue."

 

7 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

by the way I haven't studied rijal

I'm going to be honest with you, neither had the author of the article you liked.

5 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

"Even if the entire duration of the world's existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left before Doomsday (the Day of judgment), Allah will expand that day to such a length of time, as to accommodate the kingdom of a person out of my Progeny who will be called by my Name. He will then fill out the Earth with peace and justice as it will have been full of injustice and tyranny before then".

Sunni Reference: Sahih Tirmidhi, V2, P86, V9, P74-75 

What do you consider the above hadith from Tirmizi?

I think its authentic, why do you ask?

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On 1/13/2020 at 1:01 PM, Cyrax said:

I think its authentic, why do you ask?

The hadith quoted does not mention any thing about the name of the father as Abdullah, except the  "a person out of my Progeny who will be called by my Name."

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23 minutes ago, Muslim2010 said:

The hadith quoted does not mention any thing about the name of the father as Abdullah, except the  "a person out of my Progeny who will be called by my Name."

And the ones quoted by ibn Taymiyah, which the author of the article attempted to refute, do.  There are even other versions which neither Ibn Taymiyah nor the author of the article mentioned, such as the one I quoted from ibn Hibban.

As far as I know, there isn't a single authentic hadeeth which mentions all the details of the Mahdi, they are all found in various solitary reports, which give us insights on who he might end up being in the future, such as his name, where he might come from, who he might fight etc.

Most of these reports, such as the ones that mention his name and his father's name, are Hassan at best, and mawoo3 at worst

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16 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

The hadith quoted does not mention any thing about the name of the father as Abdullah, except the  "a person out of my Progeny who will be called by my Name."

Salam currently wahabist & Salafists belive that Abdullah father of Prophet Muhammad (عليه السلام) was a disbeliever  (or Kafir Nauzubilah) so accepting name of Abdullah as name of his father contradicts with their belief also during history some people even from Hashemits &Abbasyds added last part to hadith to show themselves as Mahdi that Abbasyds by defeating & killing other Mahdis from Hashemits or he will come from Abbasyds that by his death   tried to show there will be no Mahdi  anymore between Sunni & Shias but after raising Taliban & ISIS they tried to show that Bin Ladin or A. Baghdadi are Mahdi that there is a weak trace that now they believe that  he will be King of Jordan or his son by using this added part.

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On 1/15/2020 at 2:39 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته

On 1/15/2020 at 2:39 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

currently wahabist & Salafists belive that Abdullah father of Prophet Muhammad (عليه السلام) was a disbeliever  (or Kafir Nauzubilah) so accepting name of Abdullah as name of his father contradicts with their belief

I'm not sure what this has to do with the post, am I missing something?  However, this is actually not true.  Wahhabis believe that pre-Islamic Arabs were "موحدون في الربوبية" (don't shoot the messenger, you'd have to ask them to explain themselves), so the pre-Islamic Arabs believing in Allah is actually how they prove their point.  Wahhabis believe pre-Islamic Arabs were complete Monotheists in the Lordship of Allah, its in the act of worship where they deviated.  Again, not here to defend them, but to show you that you seem to be misinformed about them.

On 1/15/2020 at 2:39 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

also during history some people even from Hashemits &Abbasyds added last part to hadith to show themselves as Mahdi that Abbasyds by defeating & killing other Mahdis from Hashemits or he will come from Abbasyds that by his death   tried to show there will be no Mahdi  anymore between Sunni & Shias but after raising Taliban & ISIS they tried to show that Bin Ladin or A. Baghdadi are Mahdi that there is a weak trace that now they believe that  he will be King of Jordan or his son by using this added part.

Can you actually substantiate anything you're saying here?  Which Hashimite and Abbasids added it, and how did it help them?  Also, who actually claims that bin Ladin, Baghdadi or the King of Jordan (LOL) is the Mahdi?  A Jordanian national?  Have you ever heard what Iran Nationals say about Khomeini and Khaminei?

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