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Haji 2003

Gen. Suleimani assassination [ANALYSIS]

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In one of the series of blatant lies the USA has told to justify the assassination of Soleimani, Mike Pompeo said that Soleimani was killed because he was planning “Imminent attacks” on US citizens. It is a careful choice of word. Pompeo is specifically referring to the Bethlehem Doctrine of Pre-Emptive Self Defence.

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is that states have a right of “pre-emptive self-defence” against “imminent” attack. That is something most people, and most international law experts and judges, would accept. Including me. 

What very few people, and almost no international lawyers, accept is the key to the Bethlehem Doctrine – that here “Imminent” – the word used so carefully by Pompeo – does not need to have its normal meanings of either “soon” or “about to happen”. An attack may be deemed “imminent”, according to the Bethlehem Doctrine, even if you know no details of it or when it might occur. So you may be assassinated by a drone or bomb strike – and the doctrine was specifically developed to justify such strikes – because of “intelligence” you are engaged in a plot, when that intelligence neither says what the plot is nor when it might occur. Or even more tenuous, because there is intelligence you have engaged in a plot before, so it is reasonable to kill you in case you do so again.

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/lies-the-bethlehem-doctrine-and-the-illegal-murder-of-soleimani/

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A newspaper reader comment considering Iran's options.

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https://www.ft.com/content/0da7ecc4-2e48-11ea-84be-a548267b914b

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I think Iran and/or Hizbullah will kill US troops all over ME, especially in Syria. Probably they will organize into local militias to bleed the enemy without taking the direct blame for it. A freedom movement across ME, I hope.

 

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Has it already been posted that Soleimani was on a diplomatic mission to speak with Saudi Arabia regarding de-escalation, and that meeting had been set up by the Iraqi government at the request of the United States? It's worse than simply murder and assassination; it's outright treachery. 

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Jimmy Dore is a comedian who also is a political commentator. Just to warn you, his language can be quite rude but maybe he is the sort of person who could educate the average American. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWllto0Xzg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TZqRabzbZg

 

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13 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

This video was 2011. "Our President" was Obama.

I know it was a joke.

But the irony still stands that all the things Trump was accusing Obama of are being played out now.

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3 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

I know it was a joke.

But the irony still stands that all the things Trump was accusing Obama of are being played out now.

I wonder how many of those accusations are true. I just posted a friend's thoughts on the other thread, iranian-military-commander-gen-qassem-soleimani-killed-in-baghdad-strike-breaking-news.

I don't really know Harold from Harry in the Middle East and western media is not helpful. It's really hard to know because the US is all about heroes. Even truth is difficult because it's perspective. As the Dems continue to shoot themselves in the feet, more and more is coming out about past relations. 

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5 hours ago, notme said:

Has it already been posted that Soleimani was on a diplomatic mission to speak with Saudi Arabia regarding de-escalation, and that meeting had been set up by the Iraqi government at the request of the United States? It's worse than simply murder and assassination; it's outright treachery. 

You have a citation?

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

You have a citation?

I saw a couple news items shared on Twitter. I'll see if I can track one down again. 

Edit: you'll have to read through this tweet thread and be sure to click through relevant links. 

I'll see if I can find a second source besides just the Iraqi PM's Tweets. 

 

Edit 2: sorry, I couldn't find any mainstream media source from a US based web browser. Perhaps a member outside of the US can confirm? 

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47 minutes ago, notme said:

I saw a couple news items shared on Twitter. I'll see if I can track one down again. 

Edit: you'll have to read through this tweet thread and be sure to click through relevant links. 

I'll see if I can find a second source besides just the Iraqi PM's Tweets. 

 

Edit 2: sorry, I couldn't find any mainstream media source from a US based web browser. Perhaps a member outside of the US can confirm? 

At this point anybody can say anything. 

I couldn't find anything more than the tweet either. I looked her up and all her stories, (last more recent than this tweet) and there's no mention. She seems to be known for reliable reporting. 

Edit: I'm not sure if Canadians sources are any better than US. 

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40 minutes ago, notme said:

I'll see if I can find

l searched under "Saudi soleimani message" and then "Saudi Iran message" with a custom-range date search ending 23Dec19

https://www.wsj.com/articles/Saudi-arabia-seeks-to-ease-tensions-with-Iran-11576178194 

https://en.radiofarda.com/a/Saudi-arabia-considering-improvement-of-relations-with-Iran/30324569.html 

https://en.irna.ir/news/83591627/UN-report-on-Aramco-attacks-is-diplomatic-win-for-Iran-against 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-Saudi-Iran/Saudi-arabia-has-sent-messages-to-irans-president-Iran-government-spokesman-idUSKBN1WF10D 

https://www.newsweek.com/Iran-letter-Saudi-us-time-past-1469666   sub-titled "Trump Faces New Mideast Crisis as 'lraq Spring' Unrest Threatens US Hold"  dated 11/4/19 AT 13:27hrs     ln the first paragraph is "...Rouhani ... at the same time his top general is warning that the United States dominance in the Middle East is waning."

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11 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

A newspaper reader comment considering Iran's options.

A too conceptual comment from your average reader. l figure it is a psyop plant.

11 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

This is about an investigation into Trump's financial dealings with Deutsche Bank.

As you read towards the end of the following article, this "son of a suicidal official whistleblower" is suspect.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/3/1909205/-Explosive-report-indicates-that-Donald-Trump-s-loans-froom-Deutsche-Bank-were-backed-by-Russia  

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11 hours ago, notme said:

Has it already been posted that Soleimani was on a diplomatic mission to speak with Saudi Arabia regarding de-escalation, and that meeting had been set up by the Iraqi government at the request of the United States? It's worse than simply murder and assassination; it's outright treachery. 

Looking for this on S.C.  l just found this:

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/05/615466/Soleimani-reply-to-Saudi-letter 

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6 hours ago, notme said:

I saw a couple news items shared on Twitter. I'll see if I can track one down again. 

Someone in the FT has provided this link to The Washington Post. Dunno how true, I don't have access to the  WP:

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................Abdul Mahdi suggested Sunday that Iran and the Saudis had been engaged in dialogue to tamp down their feud, with Iraq playing the role of mediator. Abdul Mahdi said he had been expecting to meet with Soleimani on the day he was killed. “He came to deliver me a message from Iran, responding to the message we delivered from Saudi Arabia to Iran,” the prime minister said............


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/body-of-commander-slain-by-us-strike-arrives-in-Iran-to-crowds-of-mourners/2020/01/05/4ca3281a-2f17-11ea-bffe-020c88b3f120_story.html

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The news reports that the Iranian leadership is under such extreme pressure to revenge Soleimani's murder that l suspect that any failure to do so will result in the collapse of the Revolution's government.

Also:  https://iranpress.com/en/Iran-i142355-leader's_military_adviser_iran's_response_will_be_against_military_sites 

American national news made the same report.

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2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

The news reports that the Iranian leadership is under such extreme pressure to revenge Soleimani's murder that l suspect that any failure to do so will result in the collapse of the Revolution's government.

Also:  https://iranpress.com/en/Iran-i142355-leader's_military_adviser_iran's_response_will_be_against_military_sites 

American national news made the same report.

Basically saying the US owes Iran a strike and call it even, that should end the cycle.  Uh...

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58 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

Basically saying the US owes Iran a strike and call it even, that should end the cycle.  Uh...

Uh . . . No. 

lRl is the last country to be recriminated against for messing up Bush 41's 'big plans' thirty years ago.

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On 1/5/2020 at 11:11 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam majority of them are Wahabists & Salafis & Baathis &a minority of Shias that are propagating it in social media but majority of Sunnis because of their activity are  silent & neutral about it  anyway barking dogs always make loud noise but at the end they can't hide the truth.

Palestinians in Gaza pay tribute to assassinated Iranian commander (+Video)

https://en.abna24.com/news//palestinians-in-gaza-pay-tribute-to-assassinated-iranian-commander-video_999266.html

January 4, 2020 - 7:15 PM News Code : 999266 Source : Press TV, ReutersLink:   

Palestinians in Gaza have paid tribute to slain Iranian Commander Qassem Soleimani at a memorial service.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad- which have long enjoyed support from Tehran - condemned Soleimani's killing and sent their "dearest condolences" to Iran.

The National and Islamic groups called for supporters to gather in Gaza to pay their respects, as thousands of mourners gathered in Baghdad for the funeral procession for Soleimani, Iraqi military commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and others killed in a US airstrike on Friday, January 3, in Iraq.

Hamas said Soleimani "had a senior role in supporting Palestinian resistance in all fields." It extended "its dearest condolences to the Iranian leadership and the people of Iran at the martyrdom of Major General Qassem Soleimani."

Salam there is some videos & speeches that one of conditions of accepting FATF by Iran was handling Gen Soleimani  to America  (in reality Israel)

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https://fa.abna24.com/news/اخبار-ایران/پاسخ-جالب-ظریف-به-دلقک-خودشیفته-آمریکایی_763178.html

I have a respectful question. If most Sunnis oppose Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, then why are they so submissive to its proponents and silent or neutral on General Soleimani’s death?

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33 minutes ago, Northwest said:

I have a respectful question. If most Sunnis oppose Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, then why are they so submissive to its proponents and silent or neutral on General Soleimani’s death?

Salam because Wahhabi–Salafi propaganda is very strong that they claim that ' Martyr Gen Soleimani killed Sunnis & their children in Syria & Iraq "  (because ISIS/Daesh always call themselves as representative of all Sunnis) that they say it through all Sunnis & any Sunni that opposes them , they will label them as Shia or traitor so majority of Sunnis prefer to remain silent or neutral instead of making trouble for themselves .  

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26 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam because Wahhabi–Salafi propaganda is very strong that they claim that ' Martyr Gen Soleimani killed Sunnis & their children in Syria & Iraq "  (because ISIS/Daesh always call themselves as representative of all Sunnis) that they say it through all Sunnis & any Sunni that opposes them , they will label them as Shia or traitor so majority of Sunnis prefer to remain silent or neutral instead of making trouble for themselves .  

But if they are the majority, why are they afraid of opposing the Wahhabi–Salafi minority? Can’t they simply acquire weapons if they fear violence? (I am just trying to understand.)

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1 hour ago, Northwest said:

But if they are the majority, why are they afraid of opposing the Wahhabi–Salafi minority? Can’t they simply acquire weapons if they fear violence? (I am just trying to understand.)

majority of them are normal people that have no interest at war also they are not aggressive as Wahhabi–Salafi , they only want to continue their simple life like as other Shias & normal  people

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“I would judge him as notable for the judgement shown in his use of military action for political purposes,” said the former head of the SAS. “This strategic judgement on tactical action made him perversely a moderating force who may prove to be missed now he is gone.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/Iran-news-qassem-soleimani-death-crisis-jonathan-shaw-sas-Iraq-war-a9274316.html

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1 hour ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

may Allah curse Trump for what he’s caused

^ and his people. He's a horrible creature, but he isn't doing it alone any more than Hitler was the entire Nazi party. 

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4 hours ago, notme said:

I saw on Twitter that Iran had launched missiles against US troops in Iraq. Can anyone confirm? 

Who and how many people die? Someone said in Twitter that some Iraqis died as well. I can’t conform it.

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