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Iranian Military Commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani Killed in Baghdad Strike [BREAKING NEWS]

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8 hours ago, 000 said:

Are you implicitly saying that Iraq was better under Saddam rule because livelihood and foreign interference problems did not exist that much back then?

No. In fact the livelihood was much worse under Saddam during the period of international sanctions.

What I am saying is the people demand more than the garbage they have now. We improved somewhat from Saddam's days, but when you consider the wealth of Iraq, it really looks like a sham.

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1 minute ago, Sumerian said:

No. In fact the livelihood was much worse under Saddam during the period of international sanctions.

What I am saying is the people demand more than the garbage they have now. We improved somewhat from Saddam's days, but when you consider the wealth of Iraq, it really looks like a sham.

Was it better under Saddam before the sanctions?

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19 hours ago, Sumerian said:

No, because that was the period of war. All the state's budget was used towards that war effort. It is the beginning of the doom of the Iraqi economy.

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Do you know what is scary? In couple of decades Iraqis  will permanently living in those sanctioned conditions. Iraq will turn like African country where children are starving to death. We are stuck in 2011 economy and we have now more than 10 millions of more population that we did in 2011. Our population is growing 1m in a year which is crazy and it cannot sustain the small petrol economic growth.  In two decades the oil demands is going have nose dive  because most countries will use renewably energy instead of fossil fuel. How Iraq is  going to survive that? Its not going to survive it at all. Thats why we need fix our country right now or never. Its absolutely incredible that we have still a lot of delusional Iraqis  that will still support these same Fake Religious parties that have no idea how to develop a basic country. We will not get anything done until millions of Iraqis abandons  Maliki, Sadr, Qaizali, Haider al amiri and their parties. They are absolutely disaster to our country and society. All the Iraqis top problem comes from them. The reason why Im calling them fake religious parties because they don’t follow the Islamic law at all. Instead of calling them by elite parties.. People should call them with their real names.  Im just deadly honest.

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On 1/12/2020 at 5:26 AM, Sumerian said:

This is one of the only improvements between Saddam's era and today's era, which is that citzens have more freedom to express themselves and their religion.

The conflict is still here, the corruption and stealing is still here, and the killing is still here. Sad bad true.

More than  500 people have been killed and 2000 kidnapped because they voiced their opinions... You can only express your freedom to your friends but you cannot do it in media. You will became targeted by militants. There is still more to go.

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5 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

In couple of decades Iraqis  will permanently living in those sanctioned conditions. Iraq will turn like African country where children . . .

ln other words, back to the 1990s. Before the research was stopped, the UN documented 1/2 million child deaths from those sanctions.

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4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

ln other words, back to the 1990s. Before the research was stopped, the UN documented 1/2 million child deaths from those sanctions.

Thats is not accurate. The real number was 500.000 children which is still too much but we are going to face the same fate if we don’t do real changes. 

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13 minutes ago, Guest Sunshine said:

Thats is not accurate. The real number was 500.000 children which is still too much but we are going to face the same fate if we don’t do real changes. 

:hahaha:  "1/2 million = 1,000,000 : 2 = 500,000"

Didn't you go to the 5th grade?

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2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

:hahaha:  "1/2 million = 1,000,000 : 2 = 500,000"

Didn't you go to the 5th grade?

I thought you meant 1-2 million my bad.

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There is report that plenty of Usa members got injured by the Iran air strike. Someone even got Brain damage. 

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On 1/17/2020 at 3:28 PM, iCenozoic said:

Saw this in the news. US soldiers injured by Iranian Missile strike:

 

Any one can look at the frightened faces of the army men behind the Trump thus themselves confirming  the loss done to the army men at bases even if some puppet denies it. is it not so? 

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On 1/16/2020 at 6:11 AM, Guest Sunshine said:

 In couple of decades Iraqis  will permanently living in those sanctioned conditions. Iraq will turn like African country where children are starving to death. 

"African Country" ? Want to be a little more specific?

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3 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Currently Yemen is facing a much greater humanitarian crisis, children are dying of starvation by the scores :'( . We shouldn't be fooled by the media to have "constants" in a dynamic world. Also, who is ranking and on what basis affects a lot. For instance, some may find it a worse place to be where a child has access to all facilities including sex change therapy and surgery, as opposed to a place where they cannot access clean water from a tap in their house and have to go get it from a river.

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10 hours ago, habib e najjaar said:

Currently Yemen is facing a much greater humanitarian crisis, children are dying of starvation by the scores :'( . We shouldn't be fooled by the media to have "constants" in a dynamic world. Also, who is ranking and on what basis affects a lot. For instance, some may find it a worse place to be where a child has access to all facilities including sex change therapy and surgery, as opposed to a place where they cannot access clean water from a tap in their house and have to go get it from a river.

"Currently Yemen is facing a much greater humanitarian crisis"

 

oh sorry, I didn't realize that the deaths of countless African children across all impoverished nation's of the continent of Africa was of lesser significance. Thank you for clarifying.

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16 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

"Currently Yemen is facing a much greater humanitarian crisis"

Another humanitarian crisis, actually the UN calls it the worlds worst . Another revolution, another civil war. Iran backed Ansar Allah vs Arab backed Yemeni military. 82 soldiers dead in their Mosque just happened. Retaliation for the retaliation of the retaliation of the..

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On 1/20/2020 at 9:38 AM, Son of Placid said:

The UN calls it the worlds worst.

The UN is one of the most impotent bodies on the planet.

It is just another arm of US imperialism.

The Yemen problem is years old already.

And the UN has been able to do very little so far.

The UN offices should be located somewhere near the Arctic Ocean where the Secretary General has to fish in the cold sea for dinner.

Life in New York or Geneva is much too comfortable to do anything meaningful.

All these  institutions with highly paid staff effectively luxuriating at the expense of weaker nations need to be demolished and replaced by a simple Justice League - a body that seeks to punish the guilty and provide relief to victims.

But how can the UN do that?

All its major stake-holders have a very poor record as far as justice is concerned.  

Everything about the UN is based on the idea that it needs to perform as a sidekick for the US.

Why, for example, are five nations whose record of imperialism, colonialism and aggression cannot be easily removed from the pages of history, permanent members of the UN Security Council?

And why does each of them have a veto?

And why is the UN and all its sister organisations, such as UNICEF, IMF, World Bank, and so many others all housed in Western cities?

Why not in the Congo or Peru or or Fiji or Mongolia?

The entire premise on which the UN was created is merely to give support to wealthy nations, in particular the US.

It is a rotten apple. 

Edited by baqar
To change "Shia Chat" to "Security Council"

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Memory of Grand Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi about exceptional sincerity of Gen. Soleimani

He mentioned a memory of martyr Haj Qasem Soleimani, “General Soleimani came to visit us two or three years ago. At the end of our conversation, he told people to go out of the room. When his companions went out of the room, he took out his shroud and asked me to sign it.”

His excellency added, “this shows that martyr Soleimani was thinking about going since that time and secondly, he did not want people to know that he had brought that shroud. Such a sincerity is really notable and praiseworthy.”

At the end, Grand Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi praised the endeavors of Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaky, the leader of Nigerian Shia and said, “through effective preaching, he has been able to make a considerable population familiar with the school of the Ahl al-Bayt (a) and reviving teachings of Islam.”

https://en.abna24.com/news//memory-of-grand-ayatollah-makarem-shirazi-about-exceptional-sincerity-of-gen-soleimani_1004004.html

Nuremberg war crimes prosecutor: Gen. Soleimani assassination was illegal, immoral action

Benjamin B. Ferencz, a former lawyer and Nuremberg war crimes prosecutor, has said that the United States’ assassination of Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani is a clear violation of national and international law.

https://en.abna24.com/news//nuremberg-war-crimes-prosecutor-gen-soleimani-assassination-was-illegal-immoral-action_1003348.html

Imam Khamenei: US disgraced after assassination of General Soleimani

https://en.abna24.com/news//Imam-Khamenei-us-disgraced-after-assassination-of-general-soleimani_1003042.html

Imam Khamenei: US angry with Iran’s resistance

https://en.abna24.com/news//Imam-Khamenei-us-angry-with-Iran’s-resistance_1003981.html

16 US troops flown to Kuwait hospitals with severe injuries after Iran's missile strike: Paper

Last Thursday, the US Central Command revealed that 11 personnel stationed at an Iraqi airbase which incurred a retaliatory missile attack by Iran over the Pentagon's assassination of Tehran's top commander, Qassem Soleimani, had to be sent out of the country after displaying concussion symptoms.

“While no US service members were killed" in the Iranian missile attack on Ein Al-Assad military base, "several were treated for concussion symptoms from the blast and are still being assessed”, Navy Captain Bill Urban stated in a statement.

Upon initial examination, eight troops were flown out of the war-ravaged country to a medical facility in Germany for further checks, while three others were taken to Camp Arifjan, a US Army installation in Kuwait.

The temporary removal of the troops was taken “out of an abundance of caution”, Urban said, refusing to divulge any more details about the condition of the servicemen or the extent of their injuries.

“The health and welfare of our personnel is a top priority and we will not discuss any individual's medical status,” he added.

https://en.abna24.com/news//Imam-Khamenei-us-disgraced-after-assassination-of-general-soleimani_1003042.html

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, baqar said:

The UN is one of the most impotent bodies on the planet.

It is just another arm of US imperialism.

The Yemen problem is years old already.

And the UN has been able to do very little so far.

The UN offices should be located somewhere near the Arctic Ocean where the Secretary General has to fish in the cold sea for dinner.

Life in New York or Geneva is much too comfortable to do anything meaningful.

All these  institutions with highly paid staff effectively luxuriating at the expense of weaker nations need to be demolished and replaced by a simple Justice League - a body that seeks to punish the guilty and provide relief to victims.

But how can the UN do that?

All its major stake-holders have a very poor record as far as justice is concerned.  

Everything about the UN is based on the idea that it needs to perform as a sidekick for the US.

Why, for example, are five nations whose record of imperialism, colonialism and aggression cannot be easily removed from the pages of history, permanent members of the UN Security Council?

And why does each of them have a veto?

And why is the UN and all its sister organisations, such as UNICEF, IMF, World Bank, and so many others all housed in Western cities?

Why not in the Congo or Peru or or Fiji or Mongolia?

The entire premise on which the UN was created is merely to give support to wealthy nations, in particular the US.

It is a rotten apple. 

China and Russia are of the UN and they regularly veto interested of the US.

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31 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

China and Russia are of the UN and they regularly veto interested of the US.

What has that to do with any of what I said? 

There is no good reason why any of them should be permanent members or have the power to veto, at the expense of hundreds of other nations.

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1 hour ago, baqar said:

What has that to do with any of what I said? 

There is no good reason why any of them should be permanent members or have the power to veto, at the expense of hundreds of other nations.

How can the UN be an "arm of US imperialism", if there are nation's within the UN that can guide the UN in ways that act against US interests? 

I would think that being an "arm of US imperialism" would require acting in favor of US interests.

You said: "Everything about the UN is based on the idea that it needs to perform as a sidekick for the US."

Yet there are nations of the UN that guide the UN against US interests. I wouldn't consider Russia a sidekick of the US at all, and yet it is a member of the UN.

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1 hour ago, iCenozoic said:

I wouldn't consider Russia a sidekick of the US at all. 

Of course, it isn't.

I didn't say Russia was.

But I do believe that despite some opposition, the UN is.

The monstrosity is that all these five countries are not only permanent member of the UN Security Council but also have the veto power.

As I said, none of them should be a permanent member or have the veto power, while hundreds of nations are languishing with no power at all. 

And among the five, I believe the US has the best chance and greatest leverage to get its way, despite opposition from Russia or China.

 

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2 hours ago, baqar said:

Of course, it isn't.

I didn't say Russia was.

But I do believe that despite some opposition, the UN is.

The monstrosity is that all these five countries are not only permanent member of the UN Security Council but also have the veto power.

As I said, none of them should be a permanent member or have the veto power, while hundreds of nations are languishing with no power at all. 

And among the five, I believe the US has the best chance and greatest leverage to get its way, despite opposition from Russia or China.

 

I wouldn't call an organization an arm of US imperialism or a sidekick of the US if it consists of nation's that have views that sometimes contradict or go against the US.

Does the US have influence in the world? Absolutely. However, the UN often does not act in the interests of the US.

A sidekick of the US would be a country like Canada. It wouldn't consist of contradicting interests such as those presented by Russia or China.

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3 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

However, the UN often does not act in the interests of the US.

True, but it submits to US excesses (or indifference) far more than it does to weaker nations. The sad story of Yemen is a case in point. 

The UN has been totally ineffective in alleviating the extreme misery in Yemen, largely because Yemen is being punished by a US ally.

 

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1 hour ago, baqar said:

True, but it submits to US excesses (or indifference) far more than it does to weaker nations. The sad story of Yemen is a case in point. 

The UN has been totally ineffective in alleviating the extreme misery in Yemen, largely because Yemen is being punished by a US ally.

 

A lot of countries appear to depend on Saudi Oil. Other countries even moreso than the US these days. Or otherwise have historical alliances with the yemeni govt. So I think that people are more inclined to turn a blind eye to misdeeds of KSA in Yemen. 

https://thediplomat.com/2017/08/chinas-role-in-the-yemen-crisis/

And doesn't this next one sound familiar:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-idUSKCN10W0S2

Russia proposes use of military bases and in return "fights terrorism". That's an interesting one.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-defends-Saudi-arabia-human-rights-dispute-Canada-splitting-us-allies-1064039

 

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The US of course has its alliance with KSA, but this is much broader than just the US. I think the US is just more open about things.

 

This is interesting stuff.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50054546

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3 hours ago, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

"Tabloid Politics and Journalism"  a clause in the article.

lt does lead to a sick form of entertainment readily available for television.

Now in the old days, the political arena of panem et circenses (bread and circus) people had this:

https://followinghadrian.com/2019/01/24/24-january-ad-119-hadrian-celebrates-his-43rd-birthday-in-rome-with-gladiatorial-games-hadrian1900/ 

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:ko:

PBS News Hour reported 21Jan20 that an lRl MP from Soleimani's home provence has posted a $3 Million reward for whomever assassinates President Trump.

Since that is pre-meditated murder without trial or war, who wants to by Hell?

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