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Free Will and Islam

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if someone is born in a Muslim family they are by default Muslim, and if they try to leave Islam the penalty is death for a murtad-e-fitri. So, at what point did they choose Islam and how do they have any free will in all of this?  If so how does the Quranic verse "There is no compulsion in the religion." (2:256) fit this narrative? 

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"Who destined then guided" ~87:3~

The initiative is with man, then God guides. Without the initiative, there is no guidance. You could be born Muslim and live in a Muslim family but at heart never have embraced Islam. The apostate is not killed as you see in the verse, "there is no compulsion in the religion" but it is said that Muslims killed those who left Islam in the beginning of its birth under the pretense that they were agents with an agenda to hinder the growth of Islam by joining then leaving Islam to create the illusion that Islam's popularity was diminishing. I have not researched it but we don't need to, the Qur'an is already clear on freedom of religion. 

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On 12/25/2019 at 1:09 PM, adilrizvi said:

if someone is born in a Muslim family they are by default Muslim, and if they try to leave Islam the penalty is death for a murtad-e-fitri. So, at what point did they choose Islam and how do they have any free will in all of this?  If so how does the Quranic verse "There is no compulsion in the religion." (2:256) fit this narrative? 

Such laws are not applicable in today’s modern context.  

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17 hours ago, A_A said:

"Who destined then guided" ~87:3~

The initiative is with man, then God guides

this is a contradiction, no?

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First and foremost thank you very much for posting such an excellent question.

On 12/25/2019 at 10:09 AM, adilrizvi said:

So, at what point did they choose Islam and how do they have any free will in all of this?

I think the point that a person goes from being born into a religion to accepting it as their own comes when there belief or understanding in that belief is challenged. Once the person is challenged they now have the choice to either continue to believe or walk away. I know this is a super dumbed down reply and ask your forgiveness for its simplicity.

On 12/25/2019 at 10:09 AM, adilrizvi said:

If so how does the Quranic verse "There is no compulsion in the religion." (2:256) fit this narrative?

This aayaat has to be the most ignored aayaat there is and I honestly think it is purposely ignored. I mean how else can you oppress other people and maintain your power if you didn't force your belief on them?


 

 

 

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On 12/25/2019 at 12:09 PM, adilrizvi said:

if someone is born in a Muslim family they are by default Muslim, and if they try to leave Islam the penalty is death for a murtad-e-fitri. So, at what point did they choose Islam and how do they have any free will in all of this?  If so how does the Quranic verse "There is no compulsion in the religion." (2:256) fit this narrative? 

Interesting point that I have heard about this verse is the verse is stating  that Islam dose not allow forcing non Muslims to convert. Another aspect is that ones inner intentions cannot be forced on a person. 

 

 

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On 1/12/2020 at 6:10 PM, Mzwakhe said:

this is a contradiction, no?

Of course not. We determine our destiny and fate otherwise our actions wouldn't be our own. 

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On 1/17/2020 at 10:43 PM, A_A said:

 

 

On 1/17/2020 at 10:43 PM, A_A said:

Of course not. We determine our destiny and fate otherwise our actions wouldn't be our own. 

re read that verse, slowly now. Don't look to make it agree with you or your point.

making an intention to read, ask Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to bear with you & guide you ia.

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

"And He Who has determined and guided'' 87:3

How we respond to the guidance makes the difference.

a mother & child example.

The child initiates attention towards his/her hunger/thirst towards the mother through crying. There's no way this child would cry/yearn for something it doesn't know. 

 

Edited by Mzwakhe
alhamdulillah

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On 12/25/2019 at 12:09 PM, adilrizvi said:

if someone is born in a Muslim family they are by default Muslim, and if they try to leave Islam the penalty is death for a murtad-e-fitri. So, at what point did they choose Islam and how do they have any free will in all of this?  If so how does the Quranic verse "There is no compulsion in the religion." (2:256) fit this narrative? 

There are historical, legal, and social instances that are needed to be taken into consideration in regards to one’s own free will and Apostasy.

if we look at it through the legal context only a vicegerent of Allah can punish an apostate with death.

historically none of the Imams or the Prophet have done that and have always chosen the way of mercy/forgiveness.

socially the apostates at the time of the Prophet would conspire against Islam and wish harm for the religion and its people, like many countries today the punishment of treason is by death and reasonably so.

As for today’s day and age the verse that you have quoted applies to such apostates be they “fitri”or “mili”

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On 1/28/2020 at 12:41 PM, Mzwakhe said:

 

re read that verse, slowly now. Don't look to make it agree with you or your point.

making an intention to read, ask Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to bear with you & guide you ia.

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

"And He Who has determined and guided'' 87:3

How we respond to the guidance makes the difference.

a mother & child example.

The child initiates attention towards his/her hunger/thirst towards the mother through crying. There's no way this child would cry/yearn for something it doesn't know. 

 

Boy, do you love to argue. 

 

What has He determined and what does He base it off of. How can we respond to guidance when we're already guided? The guidance is followed after God determines, determines what?! May God give me patience. 

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On 12/25/2019 at 11:09 PM, adilrizvi said:

if someone is born in a Muslim family they are by default Muslim, and if they try to leave Islam the penalty is death for a murtad-e-fitri. So, at what point did they choose Islam and how do they have any free will in all of this?  If so how does the Quranic verse "There is no compulsion in the religion." (2:256) fit this narrative? 

Muratid has types:

1. Irrepairable Muratid, and

2. Repairable Muratid.

As regards penality of death, the punishment is on confession after the muratid is granted satisfactory answer which caused him muratid. If after those answers a muratid like a Shaitan want to stick to his obstinacy and do not repent, it means he want to destroy society which is imminent threat for society. So, like cancer, it is separated through death. That is irreparable Muratid.

 

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