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Christmas Mubarak I guess would be the politically correct way for a Muslim to say it. 

So I’ll wish all my Muslim brothers and sisters, Christmas Mubarak

And to all my Christian neighbours I say,

Merry Christmas! I also want to share with them some of the Baraka and blessings in remembering and celebrating the birth of one of Allah Ta’ala’s guiding lights on Earth, نبي الله عيسى بن مريم

The Prophet of Allah Ta’ala Jesus son of Mary

عليه و على نبيّنا صلوات الله

May Allah elevate his and our Prophet’s saw status 

And may Allah Ta’ala help us all in realising just how much we have in common with the rest of humanity. 

 

:bismillah:

فَأَشَارَتْ إِلَيْهِ قَالُوا كَيْفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَنْ كَانَ فِي الْمَهْدِ صَبِيًّا (29) قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيًّا (30) وَجَعَلَنِي مُبَارَكًا أَيْنَ مَا كُنْتُ وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ وَالزَّكَاةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيًّا (31) وَبَرًّا بِوَالِدَتِي وَلَمْ يَجْعَلْنِي جَبَّارًا شَقِيًّا (32) وَالسَّلَامُ عَلَيَّ يَوْمَ وُلِدْتُ وَيَوْمَ أَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ أُبْعَثُ حَيًّا (33)

"So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.

And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive

And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.

And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive"

Maryam 19/29-33

السلام عليك يا نبي الله عيسى بن مريم و رحمة الله و بركاته

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Iran’s top General congratulates Christian counterparts on Christmas, New Year

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Iran's Larijani felicitates counterparts on Christmas Eve

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December 24, 2019 - 5:22 PM News Code : 996159 Source : TasnimLink: 

Iran’s top General congratulates Christian counterparts on Christmas, New Year

 

Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Mohammed Hossein Baqeri congratulated his Christian counterparts on the occasion of Christmas and the New Year.

“Undoubtedly, the return of humanity to the blessed teachings of the great Prophets of God and strengthening of the spirit of friendship, empathy, and interaction among nations would bring about the establishment of global peace and stability and humanity’s inclination to truth and justice,” the message read.

The top commander further wished his counterparts health and success and the people and armed forces of their countries prosperity.

 

“Please accept my most sincere congratulations on the occasion of Christmas as well as the beginning of the new year,” said Iran’s Majlis speaker Ali Larijani on Tuesday.

“I firmly believe that it’s possible to achieve peace, justice and progress through the objectives that Jesus Christ always promised. This can be done through constructive interaction and dialogue between all heavenly faiths,” he added.

Larijani stressed that Iran’s parliament welcomes any kind of cooperation with other parliaments in a bid to strengthen peace and human values.

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Haha I believe it's a shared community hall. 

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Just now, Moalfas said:

Haha I believe it's a shared community hall. 

It almost looks like the man sitting on a chair in front of the three is going to make sujud to it (Astagfirulla) But maybe he is just trying to get up from the chair inshallah.

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2 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

It almost looks like the man sitting on a chair in front of the three is going to make sujud to it (Astagfirulla) But maybe he is just trying to get up from the chair inshallah.

No, it's a rented community hall. He is just standing up like old men do. 

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3 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

It's a pagan holiday now. You have to look deep to see the meaning of Christmas. It's been moved indoors. 

The celebration of the solstice is a pre-Christian tradition and in regions with cold weather it was celebrated indoors. (you might be confusing modern neo-paganism with pre-Christian religions)
What you call pagan wasn't initially a bad thing. It was the result of thousands of Prophets trying to spread Gods message to all the peoples of the world only being distorted to varying degrees over the centuries. The cult of Sol Invictus was initially a monotheist religion that was imported into Grecco-Roman religion. It was mistaken in the way that it put the sun in place of Allah, but it still recognized that there was only one God. You will find if you study these pre-Christian religions that they all have remnants of the original message in them, but often the followers of these religions either don't follow their own texts or has a distorted view of them. If you ask Hindu Scholars they will tell you that there is only one God. Some times they will disagree among them selves which one of their many gods is the true God - the Baghwan the manifestation of the principle of divine oneness - the Brahman. Like Christianity Hinduism has a trinity too, consisting of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the sustainer and Shiva the destroyer. Not much different from the father, the son and the holy ghost. Like Christians the Hindus perceive their trinity as essentially only one God.
So both Christians and Hindus actually mean well, but this trinity construction is a distortion of the message because it leads to Shirk (or polytheism). One might even say that Christianity is slightly more distorted on the initial level of the trinity because you claim that God has had a child. The Hindu distortion is only mistaking qualities (or names) of God as desperate entities. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva is essentially the same as Al-Khaaliq, Al-Muqeet and Al-Mumeet which is names of Allah and not separate gods. The Christians on the other hand claim Nabi Isa (or Jesus) to be the son of God and Gods avatar at the same time. Hindus has human avatars too like Ram or Krishna which is understood to be God incarnate - reborn in the flesh. No different from the Christian perception of Jesus, but Ram and Krishna is on a lower level than the trinity.
So it is actually funny that you mention the first church council of Nicaea, because it was there that the Christian church officially adopted the idea of the trinity and denounced the non-trinitarian denomination that had previously been the mainstream. The one that only recognized Nabi Isa as a Prophet and not as the son of God.

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Thank you for the historical insight. 

The old man on the chair could well be praying whilst sat on the chair which happened to be facing the tree! 

 

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Prophet Jesus(عليه السلام) was not born on the 25th of December.

Xmas has nothing to do with him and its an insult towards his message and lifestyle to say it does given how far away it is from his teachings and lifestyle.

It's one thing to say happy xmas back to a Christian who says it to you, as a courtesy, but to have a Muslim say it to Muslims on a Muslim site is really embarrassing.

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9 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Many believe that nabi Isa (عليه السلام) wasn't born during Christmas. Christians included. 

And that christmas is a pagan holiday. 

 

8 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

fast forward to today, everybody says Merry Christmas with no idea. Since santa claus has now overshadowed Christmas, nobody talks of the Feast of the Nativity.
 

 

1 hour ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

It's one thing to say happy xmas back to a Christian who says it to you, as a courtesy, but to have a Muslim say it to Muslims on a Muslim site is really embarrassing.

 

 

Whether the date of 25th December is correct or not does not matter. 

What matters is that it's an occasion where the birth of a Prophet of Allah Ta'ala is celebrated. And I will happily wish my Muslim brothers and sisters Christmas Mubarak on such occasion. 

If this is something that anyone's embarrassed by, they're not obliged to take part. I'm actually thankful for the Tawfeeq of celebrating one of the top 5 Prophets in patience and perseverance  أولو العزم (عليه السلام)

 

Merry Christmas Mubarak ببركة الصلاة على محمد و آل محمد

اللهم صَل على محمد و آل محمد 

 

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Imam Khamenei advises Christians to adhere to righteousness

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December 25, 2019 - 5:49 PM News Code : 996434 Source : IRNALink: 

Imam Khamenei advises Christians to adhere to righteousness

 

Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei in a message advised followers of the Jesus Christ together with Muslims to adhere to righteousness.

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei in a message advised followers of the Jesus Christ together with Muslims to adhere to righteousness.

"The honor #Muslims attribute to #JesusChrist ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) is no less than his position and merit in the eyes of the Christian believers in Christianity," Supreme Leader wrote in his Twitter account.

"The guidance of #Jesus, the son of #Mary (peace be upon our Prophet and her) is guidance towards worshiping #God and confronting the Pharaohs and tyrants," he said adding

"Following #JesusChrist requires adherence to righteousness and abhorrence of anti-righteous powers, and it is hoped that #Christians and #Muslims in every part of the world will adhere to this great lesson from Jesus ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) in their lives and deeds," he reiterated.

Christians celebrate the birth of Holy Prophet Jesus Christ ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) on Dec 25.

Earlier, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif in a message extended congratulations to Christian compatriots on Christmas.

"Wishing my Christian compatriots, and all across our globe who are observing, a very Happy Christmas and a joyous, peaceful holiday season," Zarif tweeted on Tuesday.

‌"The birth of Jesus Christ is a wondrous occasion to celebrate," he added.

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Pres. Rouhani felicitates Christmas, New Year to world leaders

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December 25, 2019 - 4:00 PM News Code : 996414 Source : President.irLink: 

Pres. Rouhani felicitates Christmas, New Year to world leaders

 

President Rouhani sent a message to world leaders to offer them congratulations on the birthday of Jesus Christ and beginning of year 2020.

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): President Rouhani sent a message to world leaders to offer them congratulations on the birthday of Jesus Christ and beginning of year 2020.

President Hassan Rouhani’s message is as follows:

In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful

I am delighted to offer my sincerest congratulations to Your Excellency on the birthday of Jesus Christ, the Prophet of peace and kindness and messenger of freedom, as well as the start of the year 2020.

Establishing peace and peacefulness is the long-standing cause of the mankind and the prerequisite to the prosperity and efflorescence of human beings. The feeling of need for this crucial issue requires us to take steps in the path of spreading peace and justice as a part of the causes of the mankind for a better future.

I hope that in the coming year, we can create a world full of peace and kindness for all through collaboration and relying on the principle of peaceful coexistence away from unilateralism and using justice-based thinking and practice.

I wish Your Excellency health and success, and your people’s prosperity and felicity.

Hassan Rouhani

President of the Islamic Republic of Iran

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On 12/25/2019 at 3:38 PM, Revert1963 said:

The celebration of the solstice is a pre-Christian tradition and in regions with cold weather it was celebrated indoors. (you might be confusing modern neo-paganism with pre-Christian religions)
What you call pagan wasn't initially a bad thing. It was the result of thousands of Prophets trying to spread Gods message to all the peoples of the world only being distorted to varying degrees over the centuries. The cult of Sol Invictus was initially a monotheist religion that was imported into Grecco-Roman religion. It was mistaken in the way that it put the sun in place of Allah, but it still recognized that there was only one God. You will find if you study these pre-Christian religions that they all have remnants of the original message in them, but often the followers of these religions either don't follow their own texts or has a distorted view of them. If you ask Hindu Scholars they will tell you that there is only one God. Some times they will disagree among them selves which one of their many gods is the true God - the Baghwan the manifestation of the principle of divine oneness - the Brahman. Like Christianity Hinduism has a trinity too, consisting of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the sustainer and Shiva the destroyer. Not much different from the father, the son and the holy ghost. Like Christians the Hindus perceive their trinity as essentially only one God.
So both Christians and Hindus actually mean well, but this trinity construction is a distortion of the message because it leads to Shirk (or polytheism). One might even say that Christianity is slightly more distorted on the initial level of the trinity because you claim that God has had a child. The Hindu distortion is only mistaking qualities (or names) of God as desperate entities. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva is essentially the same as Al-Khaaliq, Al-Muqeet and Al-Mumeet which is names of Allah and not separate gods. The Christians on the other hand claim Nabi Isa (or Jesus) to be the son of God and Gods avatar at the same time. Hindus has human avatars too like Ram or Krishna which is understood to be God incarnate - reborn in the flesh. No different from the Christian perception of Jesus, but Ram and Krishna is on a lower level than the trinity.
So it is actually funny that you mention the first church council of Nicaea, because it was there that the Christian church officially adopted the idea of the trinity and denounced the non-trinitarian denomination that had previously been the mainstream. The one that only recognized Nabi Isa as a Prophet and not as the son of God.

Actually what I meant was that it's not welcomed by the public anymore. You don't see nativity scenes in storefront windows like they used to be. Christianity is taking a beating these days. In some cases dare I say, rightly so. NA claims to be a Christian continent but most don't even know how a real Christian lives. You can't just wear a cross and party on.

Not going to make you change your post any and I know it's a little confusing but I'm not a trinitarian. 

Many belief systems from the past included one God, plus spirits often called gods, demi gods, etc. The NA Aboriginals, as they are called, had "Aashaa monetoo" meaning "good spirit", but they also had "otshee monetoo" meaning "bad spirit"  Interesting that Christians have tuned out anything spiritual, good or bad, while native beliefs were built on it. In the OT it would seem that angels were quite visible, seen and even described in the temples. It was a common thing in those days.

You can also find this in the Old Testament. One of the first distortions of the Bible was lumping every spiritual encounter into being the one true God...through the manifestations of what also must be God. It's not a distortion in the writing but the interpretation, (or agenda), or in the case of all things being one God, divided by three...Why three" The two main names in the OT are Jehovah, which is used undeniable as the one true God, and Elohim, which Christianity decided was also in every case God. Elohim was a word used to describe just about anything spiritual they didn't understand. The term includes the one true God, but also gods, goddesses, rulers, etc.  So how many times did God send an unidentified angel that was eventually decided as being God?   On the other hand, how often do we blame the devil for something specific when there is much writing on the network of  misguided angels.

On 12/25/2019 at 5:24 PM, Soldiers and Saffron said:

but to have a Muslim say it to Muslims on a Muslim site is really embarrassing

So you really wouldn't want to hear about the Muslims in Calgary that exchange gifts.

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We read in Zyarat Warith-

السلام عليك يا وارث عيسى روح الله 

"Peace be upon you (Hussain) O' inheritor of Eisa Rouhillah"

Maryam (عليه السلام) has the highest status after Fatima Zahra (عليه السلام)

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وَإِذْ قَالَتِ الْمَلاَئِكَةُ يَا مَرْيَمُ إِنَّ اللّهَ اصْطَفَاكِ وَطَهَّرَكِ وَاصْطَفَاكِ عَلَى نِسَاء الْعَالَمِينَ

"And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds."

3/42

Peace be upon you Jesus son of Mary (عليه السلام)

Peace be upon you Mary daughter of Imran (عليه السلام)

السلام عليكَ يا عيسى بن مريم

السلام على عليكِ يا مريم بنت عمران

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته 

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35 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

We read in Zyarat Warith-

السلام عليك يا وارث عيسى روح الله 

"Peace be upon you (Hussain) O' inheritor of Eisa Rouhillah"

Maryam (عليه السلام) has the highest status after Fatima Zahra (عليه السلام)

There is no debate or conflict over the status of Hazrat Maryam(عليه السلام) and Prophet Isa (عليه السلام). No one is doubting that. 

However, isn't their a ruling somewhere that forbids Muslims to celebrate non Muslim festivals -festivals that promote other religions? 

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Promoting other religions would be problematic but greeting Christians with their greetings and celebrating the birth of a Prophet of Allah isn't promoting their religion. I'm promoting social cohesion and the shared morals and values of respect, love and justice that all the Prophets of Allah called upon. 

 

It is permissible to greet Ahlul Kitãb (the Jews and the Christians, etc) and also the non-Ahlul Kitãb on the occasions they celebrate like the New Year, Christmas, Easter, and the Passover.

https://www.Sistani.org/english/book/46/2056/

 

Is it permissible for me to say “Merry Christmas” to my non-Muslim classmates, friends, family, neighbors, and others this holiday season?

Ayatollah Sistani’s Answer to Question on saying merry Christmas to Christian people: 

Question: What is the ruling on saying assalaamu [alaikum] (Islamic salutation, meaning peace be with you) to the People of the Book or unbelievers? Also, is it permissible to send them seasonal greetings, such as on Christmas?

Answer: There is no harm in initiating the salutation, albeit makrooh (undesirable act) except out of necessity, under whose remit comes urf. Responding to their salutation should be by uttering [the word] alaik (with you). There is no harm in greeting them on their occasions.

Ayatollah Khamenei answer to question about celebrating Christmas:

Question: In common with Christians, some Muslims celebrate Christmas. Is there a problem in that?

Answer: There is no harm in celebrating the birthday of the Holy Jesus Christ (May peace be upon him and our Prophet and his pure progeny).

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6 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

Promoting other religions would be problematic but greeting Christians with their greetings and celebrating the birth of a Prophet of Allah isn't promoting their religion

I am not talking about greeting, sorry maybe I mixed this with the other thread. I meant celebrating Christmas, putting up a tree etc. 

Christians don't celebrate the birth of a Prophet, theirs is or was more of a celebration of son of God.

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20 hours ago, starlight said:

I am not talking about greeting, sorry maybe I mixed this with the other thread. I meant celebrating Christmas, putting up a tree etc. 

If we were to take them one by one:

Giving gifts: Halal and recommended

Getting together with family: extremely recommended

Putting up a tree/lights: as long as I'm not putting up any crosses I don't see the problem at all.

Because at the end of the day, even with the suggested 'pagan' and consumerism connotations, the celebration itself is accepted in'urf' عُرف as the birth of Jesus son of Mary (عليه السلام) 

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Christians don't celebrate the birth of a Prophet, theirs is or was more of a celebration of son of God.

Whilst Christians and Muslims differ on the status/denifintion of Jesus (عليه السلام), we are united in the conviction that he (عليه السلام) represented nobility and the best of ethics and morals which we can all learn from. That's an opportunity we can build upon with our equals in humanity. 

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isn't their a ruling somewhere that forbids Muslims to celebrate non Muslim festivals -festivals that promote other religions? 

The Sunnis has such rulings as described here: https://www.islamweb.net/en/article/142161/ruling-on-celebrating-christmas

However Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has allowed it: https://www.leader.ir/en/book/23?sn=5727

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Q1373. In common with Christians, some Muslims celebrate Christmas. Is there a problem in that?
A: There is no harm in celebrating the birthday of the Holy Jesus Christ (May peace be upon him and our Prophet and his pure progeny).

 

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Christians don't celebrate the birth of a Prophet, theirs is or was more of a celebration of son of God.

I think that is a technicality. Of cause we all know how they perceive things, so I guess that Muslims should avoid the part where the Christians make their claim on the divinity of Nabi Isa. Like for instance in some Christmas carols and so on. Where as other things like nativity scenes and giving gifts would be ok.

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Based on Islamic sources the birthdate of Prophet Isa ibn Mariam (عليه السلام) falls on the same date as the birthday of Prophet Ibrahim (عليه السلام). 

25th of Zeeqad is the listed date. So technically for Muslims the Viladat of Prophet Isa (عليه السلام) fell on July 28th.

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Indeed, we have a narration attributed to Imam Ridha (عليه السلام) that's found in both Bihar and Men La Yahthurhu AlFaqeeh, that both Ibrahim and Eisa (عليه السلام) were born on the same night of 25th Thul Qi'dha. Which if authentic, means technically, 24th Thul Qi'dha after sunset. 

And in the interest of transparency, there's a narration attributed to Imam Abu Jafar Al Jawad (عليه السلام) saying it was on Ashura! 

These two narrations with different dates can be found on the same page from Bihar  vol14 page 214

Also refer to

التهذيب AlTah-theeb 1:437

من لا يحضره الفقيه Men La Yathurihu AlfAqeeh 172

We also have narrations and Tafaseer that suggest a gap of between five and six hundred years between the Prophethoods of Nabi Eisa (عليه السلام) and Nabi Mohammed saw. If we wanted to use that as a point of reference.

So I'm unsure as to how you reached July 28th when every variable changes the final date and we don't have a consensus on a date.

The exact date doesn't really matter eitherway. What matters is the blessing of remembering and celebrating Allah's chosen and using the opportunity to build bridges across people of faith.

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Iran VP congratulates Xmas to Christians

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December 26, 2019 - 4:40 PM News Code : 996664 Source : IRNALink: 

Iran VP congratulates Xmas to Christians

 

Iranian First Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri in a message expressed his congratulations over Christmas to Christians in the world.

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): 

In his message which was released on Wednesday, Jahangiri expressed hope for developing justice instead of inequality and peace and friendship instead of war and violence.

Earlier, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei in a message advised followers of Jesus Christ together with Muslims to adhere to righteousness.

"The guidance of #Jesus, the son of #Mary (peace be upon our Prophet and her) is guidance towards worshiping #God and confronting the Pharaohs and tyrants," he added.

Meanwhile, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif in a message extended congratulations to Christian compatriots on Christmas.

"Wishing my Christian compatriots, and all across our globe who are observing, a very Happy Christmas and a joyous, peaceful holiday season," Zarif tweeted on Tuesday.

"The birth of Jesus Christ is a wondrous occasion to celebrate," he added.

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Photos: Presence of Christian tourists at Fatima Masumeh (SA) Holy Shrine

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December 27, 2019 - 4:14 PM News Code : 996720 Source : ABNA24Link: 

 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): On the occasion of the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ, a report is published of the presence of Christian tourists at the shrine of Fatima Masumeh (SA) Holy Shrine.

 

 

حضور توریست‌های مسیحی در حرم بانوی کرامت
 

حضور توریست‌های مسیحی در حرم بانوی کرامت

 

حضور توریست‌های مسیحی در حرم بانوی کرامت

 

حضور توریست‌های مسیحی در حرم بانوی کرامت
 
حضور توریست‌های مسیحی در حرم بانوی کرامت
 
حضور توریست‌های مسیحی در حرم بانوی کرامت
 
حضور توریست‌های مسیحی در حرم بانوی کرامت
 
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16 hours ago, starlight said:

However, isn't their a ruling somewhere that forbids Muslims to celebrate non Muslim festivals -festivals that promote other religions? 

Nowruz anyone?

[Makes cup of tea, sits back and waits for the firework display].

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19 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Its okay, if they want to celebrate a made up holiday because winter is depressing, they can do that, but to say that it has to do with the birthday of Jesus(عليه السلام) is just not true, as you most likely know, most people who celebrate xmas don’t care about religious matters to begin with and its just a secularized day for families to gather and eat.

1. The consumerism issue is equally applicable e.g. to Ramadan

2. Just because it has become a secularised holiday does not mean that we cannot reclaim it on Islamic terms. 

3. Heck we could even play the feminist card and focus on the fact that in our telling there is no Joseph

 

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