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Is Wilayatul Faqih necessary or is it a failed system?

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As I am sure we are familiar with the revolution of 1979 in Iran where Ayatollah Sayed Khomeini implemented the system of Wilayatul Faqih in the newly founded Islamic Republic of Iran. Is there any evidence that would suggest that this system was ever used by the Imams of the Ahlul Bayt? With mass protests in Iran and now into Iraq is this showing that this system has failed? 

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Salam Imam Ali was first Wali Faqih after Prophet Muhammad (pbu) althought he was infallible & obeying from him was mandatory to all Muslims every group from Muslims raised against him that all of his wars during his calliphate was against Muslim groups like as now that we see in Iran but under fallible Wali Faqih that by reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) again we wiil have infallible Wali Faqih but again he must face with  Muslims groups  that will stand against him too.

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On 12/24/2019 at 1:23 AM, jack.far97 said:

 With mass protests in Iran and now into Iraq is this showing that this system has failed? 

Hmm.. don’t mass protests always happen where there are issues about corruption and government failures? Doesn't mean a system has failed, rather it is often a lack of its proper implementation and corruption and nepotism that causes a mess, the last two being a major issue in Iran.

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On 12/23/2019 at 4:23 PM, jack.far97 said:

As I am sure we are familiar with the revolution of 1979 in Iran where Ayatollah Sayed Khomeini implemented the system of Wilayatul Faqih in the newly founded Islamic Republic of Iran. Is there any evidence that would suggest that this system was ever used by the Imams of the Ahlul Bayt? With mass protests in Iran and now into Iraq is this showing that this system has failed? 

Lets take a look at your question from an objective point of view. 

All Systems of governance would have failed if the criteria is protests. Protests happen in countries for different reasons( failure to implement or execute the policies, or internal political reasons, or external interference). 

You referred to  two different Systems in two different countries ( Iran & Iraq) Yet you say that the "System" ( In Iran) has failed. Not sure what would make you reach this conclusion. 

I am not a knowledgeable to comment on the System is Iran. However, as a Layman I do understand that Systems in countries have few different forms but what they all have in common are few things like - The governance is based on a Constitution, There is body that interprets the Constitution and makes laws that the people have to follow, there is an executive body that executes and administers the policies and procedures for the benefit of the Country/State. Just a simple top line overview of governance system. 

Supreme/Hight Court is the body that is the ultimate law in a country. And the majority vote of the Judges( Jurists) will become a law. If there were Nine Jurists and Five vote Yes its becomes the law. Regardless of the four Jurists who opposed it. You do have a very senior Jurists as the Chief Jurist in this court. 

If there were only Three Jurists, and if two vote Yes- It becomes the law of the land. Point is having 9 or 15 Jurist may serve a different purpose but of  the purpose of Majority Vote even three Jurists/Judges will suffice. If  the two among the three are of the same opinion, you essentially have One person opinion which becomes the law. In physical sense there are two different person/bodies but their Outlook is similar. If you have two people with the same Value System in essence you have one Value System which makes the law. Going back to the example of 9 Judges/Jurists if Five are Conservatives and four are liberal you will have an overall Conservative System interpreting and making The Laws of the country, until you force a change and liberals have a majority and conservatives are minority at that time the laws will be made from a liberal majority perspective.  In essence you have a One Party/System/ role at anyone time in a country.

So, this is just cosmetic stuff- you have one person(ideology)  rule. Administered/executed by the administrative arm of the System. 

Now the Judges/Jurists in the Supreme/High court of the country are Life time Appointments. And are Appointed by the President(person representing one ideology) . These people are not elected by the people of the country in a general public election. 

So, what is different in the system in Iran? 

Secular (mam made) Constitution is the ultimate law in a secular country. Qu'an/Sunnah is the Constitution in a Islamic country. Difference been that the ma made can be tailored to the majority view and Divine Constitution can't follow the same path. 

In essence, a System will keep changing to suit the wish of the majority, which are transient and may be have long term negative effects , But  there is less friction here, as the short term views/wishes are met at the expense of the long term health of the society. 

In a secular constitution system,  the System failed the people and in a Islamic constitution the people fail  to follow the System. 

It depends on your view of life what failure is real failure to you. 

Outsiders will have their marketing arm - Media will tailor it for its benefit and people who are not looking at the reality will be bought into the narrative propagated to achieve a certain goal/objective. 

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