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While some thought that veneer of secularism is coming off, it was only going to be stronger. Hindus shouldn't have cared for this bill ideally but they're going hand in hand with Muslims in protest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Indian Exclusionary Citizenship; Erosion of Citizen Rights Globally - Maulana Syed Muhammad Rizvi
 

Hindustan mai Mutanaza Bill ki Manzoori | Ustad e Mohtaram Syed Jawad Naqvi

 

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The good news is that the demonstrations are not exclusively Muslims. 

The bad news is the fatalities which is very worrying.

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l know little about the sub-continent, yet l am familiar with a few of the religion-based conflicts.

Like with some pre-repression assessments the People's Republic made beecause they sought information from the US, this bias-law l suspect/believe is not only from the rise of indeginous, right-wing political promotion, but was done with encouragement from the 5-eyes(particlularly the evilgelicals in the White House surrounding Trump) and with assent from some "Muslim" Gulf States.

Similar to the Communist-fronted anti-hijab cwap in Europe (the US took over the financing and all of west Europe's communist parties after 1989). the US and the evilgelicals are behind this somewhere.

The forth coming problem is that while Muslims are ~1/7th of India, the chr!stians are only ~1/50th. From the murderous rioting in south India l read about a few years ago, the chr!stians will be next -in some way.

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3 hours ago, hasanhh said:

l know little about the sub-continent, yet l am familiar with a few of the religion-based conflicts.

Like with some pre-repression assessments the People's Republic made beecause they sought information from the US, this bias-law l suspect/believe is not only from the rise of indeginous, right-wing political promotion, but was done with encouragement from the 5-eyes(particlularly the evilgelicals in the White House surrounding Trump) and with assent from some "Muslim" Gulf States.

Similar to the Communist-fronted anti-hijab cwap in Europe (the US took over the financing and all of west Europe's communist parties after 1989). the US and the evilgelicals are behind this somewhere.

The forth coming problem is that while Muslims are ~1/7th of India, the chr!stians are only ~1/50th. From the murderous rioting in south India l read about a few years ago, the chr!stians will be next -in some way.

Religion has always been used as a tool to sow dissent among people. People are inherently good to each other. 

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"Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif has hailed longstanding relations between the country and its southern Asian ally, India, emphasizing that relations between Tehran and New Delhi are unbreakable."

In the current climate? I'd call it insensitive at best. They could have at least postponed such lovey dovey meetings. 

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/12/22/614314/Iran-India-zarif-commission

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Situation of Iran is clear that because of sanctions Iran won't add more fuel to an Internal problem of India & losing a way for bypassing sanction anyway Iran stopped a bloody war between Pakistan & India  by this policy but so called Arabic Mulim countries like as KSA & UAE stood behind India against Kashmir & Pakistan but again even now radical wahabist are accusing Shias of India to supporting current India bill to show them & somehow Iran as a Shia governmet against rest of Muslims for starting a bloody war between Muslims & Hindus in India that they hope that Sunnis kill Shias because they are spreading rumors about supporting Shias from Modi & his party.

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Every country has the right to good bilateral relations with others. My issue is having these high level, high publicity meetings during this climate. It's insensitive to the millions of Indian Muslims who are slowly but surely being treated as second class citizens in their own country. 

 

قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ مثل المؤمنين في توادهم وتراحمهم وتعاطفهم، مثل الجسد إذا اشتكى منه عضو تداعى له سائر الجسد بالسهر والحمى” ‏

Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs suffers, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever".

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As I understand the law make it easier for non Muslim illegal refugees to seek refugee status in India while it excludes Muslim illegal refugees to do the same. The motivation being that the countries who causes the non Muslim illegal refugees to come to India are themselves Muslim countries, so the illegal Muslim refugees in India can seek refugee status in those countries instead. 

Consequently, the illegal Muslim refugees in India are protesting because they want to stay and the legal Muslims are protesting to support them. And the Hindus are protesting because they fear immigration waves will hit India as a result of the law making it easier for non Muslim refugees to obtain refugee status.

The opposition of the current government took the opportunity to mold the protests into general protests towards the everyday struggles of life in India hoping that it will make them win the next elections.

Is that correct?

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According to UNHCR countries having the most number of refugees.

Turkey - 3.6M (whole of Europe 2.7M)

Pakistan . 1.4M

Uganda - 1.1M

Germany-1M

Iran - 979,400

Lebanon - 974,600

Bangladesh - 943,200

Ethiopia-921,000

Sudan-908,700

Jordan - 705,800

Why is India crying about illegal refugees  and killing its own citizens in the process when it's not even in the list?

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15 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Consequently, the illegal Muslim refugees in India are protesting because they want to stay and the legal Muslims are protesting to support them.

No, all legal Muslim citizens are protesting. The reason being 'NRC'.

15 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

And the Hindus are protesting because they fear immigration waves will hit India as a result of the law making it easier for non Muslim refugees to obtain refugee status.

Many Hindus are protesting because they are good human beings. They are supporting their Muslim fellow. 

15 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

The opposition of the current government took the opportunity to mold the protests into general protests towards the everyday struggles of life in India hoping that it will make them win the next elections.

Yes, to some extent. 

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5 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

India is giving citizenship to whatever number of persecuted refugees are coming from your country. 

Sure. You're absolutely correct.

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Haji Hamid Hasan, a 72-year-old timber trader in Muzaffarnagar town in western Uttar Pradesh, said nearly 30 policemen, some in plainclothes, broke into his two-storey house around 11pm on Friday and went on the rampage.

Hasan said he was assaulted with a rifle butt when he protested and beaten with sticks. They vandalised the house, breaking washbasins, bathroom fittings, bed, furniture, fridge, washing machine and utensils, he added.

“I cried and begged for mercy but they were very brutal. They told me Muslims have only two places, Pakistan or Kabristan,” he wailed while showing the scene of destruction inside his house and the injury on his leg.

The horror, he said, continued for 30 to 40 minutes. “After destroying everything, they looted at gunpoint jewellery and cash of Rs 5 lakh kept in the almirah. I recently bought the jewellery for the weddings of my two grand-daughters,” Hasan said.

Hasan said his wife Fatima had holed up in a room with their two granddaughters, Ruqaiya Parveen, a postgraduate in science, and Mubashira Parveen, a graduate.

The intruders hurled abuses at the women, beat up Hasan’s son Md Shahid and took him away, he said.

Hasan said his only crime was that he and his son had participated in the protests after the Friday prayers.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/amp/India/youve-only-two-places-Pakistan-or-kabristan/cid/1730395?__twitter_impression=true

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@starlight

This happened after protest against government in a BJP ruled state. Doesn't happen day & night in every season like in Pakistan. Understand the difference. 

My government is zaalim still doesn't compare to systematic persecution like in Pakistan. 

Meanwhile, in same state -

Hindus form human chain around Muslim baraat in violence-hit Kanpur, escort them to safety

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3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Doesn't happen day & night in every season like in Pakistan.

Sirius why do you have to bring Pakistan in this?? And as if what's happening in India isn't systematic persecution. 

Why do you feel the need to attack Pakistan everywhere, proving allegiance to RSS? Please continue. After all there are also Muslims who want to be friends with Israel, so nothing new.

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2 hours ago, starlight said:

Sirius why do you have to bring Pakistan in this?? And as if what's happening in India isn't systematic persecution. 

Why do you feel the need to attack Pakistan everywhere, proving allegiance to RSS? Please continue. After all there are also Muslims who want to be friends with Israel, so nothing new.

He might be an Indian state tool. I have been reading his post, he always diverts attention away from Indian atrocities and terrorism, almost always  somehow finding a way to blame Pakistan. It is a real shame he is part of the development team. Maybe he is a nephew of kulbhushan jadhav or something.

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16 hours ago, starlight said:

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Do you know where this happened? Source?

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5 hours ago, starlight said:

Sirius why do you have to bring Pakistan in this?? And as if what's happening in India isn't systematic persecution. 

Because the topic consists of a Bill that involves giving citizenship to persecuted Pakistani refugees. 

5 hours ago, starlight said:

Why do you feel the need to attack Pakistan everywhere, proving allegiance to RSS?

Criticizing Pakistan = allegiance to RSS?? 

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3 hours ago, Mugen said:

He might be an Indian state tool. I have been reading his post, he always diverts attention away from Indian atrocities and terrorism, almost always  somehow finding a way to blame Pakistan. It is a real shame he is part of the development team. Maybe he is a nephew of kulbhushan jadhav or something.

OMG! I AM BUSTED. 

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On 12/21/2019 at 1:19 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Indian Exclusionary Citizenship; Erosion of Citizen Rights Globally - Maulana Syed Muhammad Rizvi
 

Hindustan mai Mutanaza Bill ki Manzoori | Ustad e Mohtaram Syed Jawad Naqvi

 

He doesn't really have great sources when it comes to India. He was very wrong about Assam issue.

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On 12/22/2019 at 5:25 AM, hasanhh said:

l know little about the sub-continent, yet l am familiar with a few of the religion-based conflicts.

Like with some pre-repression assessments the People's Republic made beecause they sought information from the US, this bias-law l suspect/believe is not only from the rise of indeginous, right-wing political promotion, but was done with encouragement from the 5-eyes(particlularly the evilgelicals in the White House surrounding Trump) and with assent from some "Muslim" Gulf States.

Similar to the Communist-fronted anti-hijab cwap in Europe (the US took over the financing and all of west Europe's communist parties after 1989). the US and the evilgelicals are behind this somewhere.

The forth coming problem is that while Muslims are ~1/7th of India, the chr!stians are only ~1/50th. From the murderous rioting in south India l read about a few years ago, the chr!stians will be next -in some way.

India is culturally very distinctive. The Northeast of India consist of people who are of Mongoloid race and are very much possesive they dislike outsiders. There are 7 states there each with a unique culture language etc 

 

Same with South. South India has a rich history of culture and home to oldest languages and civilization in India. Compared to North India it is more developed in terms of Infrastructure and job opportunities yet get prosecuted. For example Kerala gets 0.25 or every 1 rupee of Tax it pays and Tamil Nadu gets 0.41 for every 1 rupee. Our place also has low crime rate and less pollution.

 

North India and the Hindi land is what people from outside usually think what India is And usually portrayed by Western media and popculture.

 

India is basically Europe but 29 states are made into a single country. Things would have been much different if Britain never came and occupied India. 

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3 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

Things would have been much different if Britain never came and occupied India. 

l remember reading Ghandi was asked this and "pressed" for an answer, to which he said it would have been best if UK left after WW1. The 'why' for that l do n't know and the article didn't say.

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India tightens security for protests after Friday prayers

https://en.abna24.com/news//India-tightens-security-for-protests-after-friday-prayers_996715.html

December 27, 2019 - 3:27 PM News Code : 996715 Source : Reuters, Press TVLink: 

India tightens security for protests after Friday prayers 

 

Indian authorities stepped up security in major cities on Friday and suspended mobile data services in some places in an effort to maintain order ahead of protests planned against a new citizenship law.

At least 25 people have been killed in protests across the country since the law, seen as discriminatory towards Muslims, was adopted on December 11.

The backlash against the law, pushed through parliament by the Hindu-nationalist government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is the biggest challenge he has faced since he was first elected in 2014.

Violence peaked last Friday when police clashed with protesters in several cities after weekly Muslim congregational prayers, especially in India's most populous state of Uttar Pradesh.

With more protests expected this week, the Uttar Pradesh administration blocked mobile internet services in many parts of the state, including in the provincial capital Lucknow, the state government said.

In the Uttar Pradesh city of Meerut, about 90 km (55 miles) from New Delhi, nearly 3,000 police were deployed, four times more than last Friday, the city's police chief told Reuters.

At least five people were killed in the city last Friday.

A Reuters witness (Reuters has a share in every news about demonstration like as false Number about protesters in Iran ) saw a riot control vehicle with a tear gas cannon mounted on its roof. A vehicle carrying a water cannon was stationed nearby as several policemen in riot gear kept watch.

"We're working with local politicians, religious leaders and community members to appeal for calm," Ajay Kumar Sahni, Senior Superintendent of Police in Meerut said. "We expect the situation to remain normal."

In the capital New Delhi, police imposed an emergency law in some parts of the city, forbidding large gatherings, news channels reported. Such prohibitions have been in place in Uttar Pradesh for more than a week.

Despite the restrictions, thousands are expected to gather for protests after Friday prayers in Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Ahmedabad, Bengaluru and Chennai, protest organizers said.
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https://fa.abna24.com/news/کاریکاتور/کاریکاتور-قانون-ضد-اسلامی-هند_762657.html

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16 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

He doesn't really have great sources when it comes to India. He was very wrong about Assam issue.

Salam both of videos were Friday sermons so they just said a brief statements from limited sources by India censorship   & western media coverage about each issue so it's possible that they made mistakes.

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28 minutes ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

How does the NRC affect the legal Muslim citizens in a practical manner?

The thing is no one knows yet how it will affect because it depends on requirement of NRC. For eg: A pilot project in Assam, India required the people of Assam to show their or their ancestor's documents dating before 1971 (cut-off date). Many people didn't had documents or had them lost in floods etc. It rendered 1.9 million Assamese stateless. Two quarter of them were Hindu. Although it was scrapped and Home Minister promised to make modifications for pan India implementation, the scrapped NRC has created fear for all the Indians. At the same time, CAA (another bill passed) provides opportunity for Non-Muslims to get Indian Citizenship. So if a Muslim and a Non-Muslim fail to funish documents then the Non-Muslim guy has chance to become citizen again through CAA while there's nothing like that for a Muslim. 

All these protest by both Muslims and Non-Muslims has soften the government's stance for now atleast. 

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1 minute ago, Sirius_Bright said:

The thing is no one knows yet how it will affect because it depends on requirement of NRC. For eg: A pilot project in Assam, India required the people of Assam to show their or their ancestor's documents dating before 1971 (cut-off date). Many people didn't had documents or had them lost in floods etc. It rendered 1.9 million Assamese stateless. Two quarter of them were Hindu. Although it was scrapped and Home Minister promised to make modifications for pan India implementation, the scrapped NRC has created fear for all the Indians. At the same time, CAA (another bill passed) provides opportunity for Non-Muslims to get Indian Citizenship. So if a Muslim and a Non-Muslim fail to funish documents then the Non-Muslim guy has chance to become citizen again through CAA while there's nothing like that for a Muslim. 

All these protest by both Muslims and Non-Muslims has soften the government's stance for now atleast. 

So even if you today are a legal Indian citizen its nullified if you cannot provide that your ancestors dating back to 1971 were Indian citizens as well?

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8 minutes ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

So even if you today are a legal Indian citizen its nullified if you cannot provide that your ancestors dating back to 1971 were Indian citizens as well?

As much as I can understand, 1971 was the cut-off date only for Assam. Pan-India NRC would be much easier, if implemented. Both Amit Shah and Modi has repeatedly assured Indian Muslims that they need not worry about NRC and CAA. 

https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/no-need-to-prove-ones-pre-1971-ancestry-during-nrc-exercise-official/articleshow/72894653.cms

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Surprised no one has brought this up here. 

"More than 100 masked men wielding sticks and rods attacked students and teachers of Delhi's prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University on Sunday." BBC 

"It was an organised attack. They were singling out people and attacking," Aishe Ghosh said during a press conference.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/India/story/jnu-violence-jnusu-president-aishe-ghosh-jnu-vc-abvp-rss-1634463-2020-01-06

 

At least 40 students and staff of the Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) were admitted to hospital with injuries. 

Videos of the violence quickly spread via WhatsApp and were then broadcast on television, sparking shock and outrage. 

Protests are taking place in the cities of Chandigarh, Bangalore, Mumbai and Hyderabad as well as the capital Delhi.

The JNU has long been associated with left-wing activism, and some students have blamed Sunday's violence on a right-wing student body linked to India's governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). That group denies involvement and says left-wing activists were responsible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-Asia-India-51004204

 

Some of the attacks have been captured in disturbing footage: 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-Asia-India-51010455?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=51010455%26'Students fell to the ground... they kept beating'%262020-01-07T00%3A07%3A51.334Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:5cc03a0b-f4ae-8240-b678-b14f1bd59be3&pinned_post_asset_id=51010455&pinned_post_type=share

 

 

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