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India - Citizenship Amendment Bill passed in parliament

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Salaam, 

Citizenship Amendment Bill (CAB) was passed in Indian Parliament. This bill aims to give citizenship to persecuted minorities - Hindu, Sikh, Parsi, Buddhist and Christians of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. While this is, without a doubt, a noble act but the problem is that it doesn't include Muslims. Home Minister Amit Shah said that since all three are Muslim countries it is not possible that Muslims can be persecuted there. He 'forgot' Ahmadiyas and Hazaras of Pakistan, other Shias of Bangladesh, Afghanistan. 

Why are Indian Muslims protesting? CAB in itself is not a problem but when you combine it with NRC you will see discrimination. Assam has one of the highest influx of illegal Bangladeshi Muslim migrants. National Register of Citizens (NRC) was run in Assam, India as a pilot project. It required all Assamese to show land acquisition papers or birth certificate prior to 1971. As a result, many actually belonging to Assam didn't make it to NRC. Although it was scrapped later but ruling party is planning pan India NRC with some modifications. Now if NRC is implemented all over India than many Muslim who doesn't have required documents will be stripped of citizenship. Other communities not having documents can be citizens through CAB. 

It is to early to say if the bill will truly hurt Muslims. Amit Shah has repeatedly assured Indian Muslims that they shouldn't worry about CAB. I do not trust him. It all depends on what will be the requirements of NRC. 

PS: Narendra Modi and Amit Shah are Zaalim and hates Muslims. India is taking persecuted minorities of Pakistan so it should be the last country to condemn anything.

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2 hours ago, starlight said:

These Hindus have gone completely mad. 

 

Bushra Sheikh, Journalist: I came here for BBC's coverage, they (police) took away my phone,broke it.A male police personnel pulled my hair.They hit me with a baton&when I asked them for my phone they hurled abuses at me.I didn't come here for fun,I came here for coverage
 
 

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All this happened after some violent protest by Miscreants. They arsoned bus, Railway stations, damaged Public properties and pelted stones at Police. This Police brutality is not justified but do you think after all those damages and ruckus Police will give them roses?. There were also some peaceful protests in other parts of the country. 

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Protesting is not the way forward. It is clear that the current establishment does not consider Muslims as equal citizens and will look for any opportunity to manipulate and denigrate them.

The response should be far sighted and intelligent. The bohri, ismaili and Christian communities have handled their minority status much better than the twelver Shia and the Sunnis. They have focused on internal progress and development and ensured their welfare through education, business and discretion on the political front.

The remaining Muslim masses need to stop wasting their time in trying to integrate a political system where they will always be outnumbered and work on their own welfare so that they become completely independent of corrupt party politics.

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@Sirius_Bright I think you would know of the situation better than me but I think the response isn't just due to CAB. It's a cumulative reaction to how things are being made progressively difficult for Muslims there and the insecurities lurking in the mind of people after Kashmir lockdown and NRC. Islamophobic acts towards Muslims in the west is not right either but they are comparatively easier to accept since most Muslims are immigrants there but making their life difficult in India? a country where Muslims have lived for hundreds of years?? this is just a step away from genocide.

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5 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

Protesting is not the way forward.

It's for sure the first step. 

5 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

The response should be far sighted and intelligent. The bohri, ismaili and Christian communities have handled their minority status much better than the twelver Shia and the Sunnis.

The current situation would not allow any sect of Muslim claiming have advantage over the other. All are in the same boat. 

5 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

The remaining Muslim masses need to stop wasting their time in trying to integrate a political system where they will always be outnumbered and work on their own welfare so that they become completely independent of corrupt party politics.

There are few Muslims in the Indian political arena and couple of Shias too. What do you suggest should Muslims do for their welfare if they don't enter politics. Also, if you're going against government you'll be grounded no matter what welfare activities you have taken up. This is true for any government in the world. 

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Just as you can't extrapolate the success of Singapore to much larger countries, so it's impossible to extrapolate the success of Bohris and Aga Khanis to the wider Music community.

Economic success cannot be scaled up easily.

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4 hours ago, starlight said:

@Sirius_Bright I think you would know of the situation better than me but I think the response isn't just due to CAB. It's a cumulative reaction to how things are being made progressively difficult for Muslims there and the insecurities lurking in the mind of people after Kashmir lockdown and NRC. Islamophobic acts towards Muslims in the west is not right either but they are comparatively easier to accept since most Muslims are immigrants there but making their life difficult in India? a country where Muslims have lived for hundreds of years?? this is just a step away from genocide.

It's nothing about Kashmir. Infact, no Indian Muslim opposed abrogation of article 370. Lockdown was difficult but understandable given the amount of militancy in the region. I would rule out genocide but things are honestly not as good as before. 

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The issue of CAB seems to be just another agitator is an already sour climate. I had visited India a couple of years ago and experienced myself the clear Muslim/Hindu tensions, other than being told about it by locals across Maharashtra, Gujarat and Rajasthan. 

I had a border officer in Ahmedabad airport that I thanked by saying 'Shukrya' to once he handed back my passport, his response was : 'No! Dunyavad!' As he smirked with his colleague. Mind you, this is to a 'foreign tourist' not a local. 

I fear this CAB issue is yet another step in treating Muslims as second class citizens. 

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2 hours ago, Moalfas said:

The issue of CAB seems to be just another agitator is an already sour climate. I had visited India a couple of years ago and experienced myself the clear Muslim/Hindu tensions, other than being told about it by locals across Maharashtra, Gujarat and Rajasthan. 

I had a border officer in Ahmedabad airport that I thanked by saying 'Shukrya' to once he handed back my passport, his response was : 'No! Dunyavad!' As he smirked with his colleague. Mind you, this is to a 'foreign tourist' not a local. 

I fear this CAB issue is yet another step in treating Muslims as second class citizens. 

Dhanyavad means thank you. You might have misunderstood him. I haven't faced any kind of discrimination anywhere. There are few sensitive areas otherwise everything is fine. Nothing sour as such. 

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28 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Dhanyavad means thank you. You might have misunderstood him. I haven't faced any kind of discrimination anywhere. There are few sensitive areas otherwise everything is fine. Nothing sour as such. 

I became aware of dhanyavad thanks to him. He wasn't happy that I said thank you in Urdu, shukrya rather than in Hindi, dhanyavad.

Inshallah your experience is widespread and it stays that way. 

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There is outrage across the country among students over the Jamia protests. Students from IIT-Bombay, Aligarh Muslim University, Hyderabad's Maulana Azad Urdu University, Tata Insitute of Social Sciences in Mumbai, Patna University, Madras University, Jadavpur University, Nadwa College in Lucknow, Benaras Hindu University and Pondicherry University, among others, have come out in solidarity with students of Jamia and Guwahati university protesting against the contentious Citizenship Amendment Act.

https://www.firstpost.com/India/citizenship-amendment-act-protests-India-in-solidarity-with-jamia-from-mumbai-university-to-bhu-students-across-India-protest-police-brutality-on-demonstrators-at-amu-jamia-guwahati-university-7788241.html

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There is definitely a fascist streak among Indians especially on social media. How representative that is of the average Indian living in India is debatable, but I was watching Corbyn's speech where he said he was stepping down, and some Indians commented that's what you get for siding with Jihadis and Pakistan, etc. Every time you go on reddit, a lot of the anti-Muslim comments are from Indians, often coupled with ardent supporters of Israel. Now you might say this is just online, but the political developments in India and the violence RSS has been involved in, it would be wrong to dismiss this as a fringe movement. 

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India is a perfectly secular and very peace loving country which is especially nice towards Muslims, and you Indian Muslims should keep on hoping and praying for the best, peaceful and democratic solutions to any little kinks you might face, as you folks always do.

14 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

India is taking persecuted minorities of Pakistan so it should be the last country to condemn anything.

DecentSecondaryCoelacanth-size_restricte

 

 

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@The Green Knight

Perhaps words of support to our Muslim brothers with what they face in their respective jurisdictions would be closer to the Akhlaq of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) than the sarcasm. 

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15 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

@The Green Knight

Perhaps words of support to our Muslim brothers with what they face in their respective jurisdictions would be closer to the Akhlaq of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) than the sarcasm. 

Some explanation would have helped me to answer. In particular, what part of my post seems sarcastic to you, and why?

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I could be mistaken, I just found it hard to see the post and meme in the context of a message of support to our Muslim brothers in India, the kind of support that makes our Imam AJF proud. Especially at a time when all Muslims are going through extreme trials and tribulations in their respective jurisdictions.

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39 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

I could be mistaken, I just found it hard to see the post and meme in the context of a message of support to our Muslim brothers in India, the kind of support that makes our Imam AJF proud. Especially at a time when all Muslims are going through extreme trials and tribulations in their respective jurisdictions.

Indeed I chose to respond with a meme to our dear brother's latest produce of baseless lies and known bigotry towards any who point a finger at his beloved country, even Kashmiris who refuse to love its many injustices. Just look at his previous posts regarding these things. I do admit that in such situations I sometimes fail to practice the best akhlaq that makes the Imams proud. I am but a weak mortal ..and, there is a slight strain in my neck today so I could not turn the other cheek.

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Alhamdulillah for blessing us with this situation then. It's as if he nudged us. The blessing of having been nudged by the most Merciful أرحم الراحمين 

About all the brewing Fitnahs

Despite every little difference with every human on this plant, he is either my brother in faith or equal in humanity as Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said. 

اللهم صَل على محمد و آل محمد IMG_7503.thumb.PNG.a49faa26efa48a12d45ad3704f0f4275.PNG

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13 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Infact, no Indian Muslim opposed abrogation of article 370.

I know! No one cared or dared. Had they maybe things would have taken more time to reach where they are now. 

MashAllah at your serenity over atrocities in Kashmir, Ayodhya verdict and now this. 

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An instance of brotherly love and care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulbhushan_Jadhav

Mr. Jhadev was wrongfully apprehended by Pakistani spies (as usual) after accusing him of terrorism and failing to stain the clean record (as clean as a preacher's sheets) of the peaceful, just and secular India working overtime to bring stability and peace to the region along with USA and the Afghan regime. He rather only intended to make a pilgrimage to Gilgit Baltistan in the north of Pakistan to journal the plights of the minorities living there. He only accidentally mass murdered Muslim brothers when starting his journey inside Pakistan. A slight mistake that brother SiriusBright has often regretted here on ShiaChat and made Jesus proud by doing so. (Take a wild guess. He never acknowledged let alone condemn any official Indian terror of which there may be plenty of examples.)

 

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Protests over anti-Muslim law spread to India university

https://en.abna24.com/news//protests-over-anti-Muslim-law-spread-to-India-university_994260.html

December 16, 2019 - 2:18 PM News Code : 994260 Source : Press TVLink: 

Protests over anti-Muslim law spread to India university

 

Protests in India against a controversial citizenship bill have spread to universities across the country, with police storming student campuses and firing tear gas at protesters.

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): 

Anger has been growing in India over the Citizenship Amendment Bill (CAB), which gives refugees of all of South Asia’s major religions, including Buddhists and Hindus — except Muslims — from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh a clear path to Indian citizenship

Human rights activists say the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi designed the discriminatory law explicitly to exclude Muslims from the possibility of acquiring refugee status in India and, eventually, citizenship.

India’s 200 million Muslims view the measure as the government’s first step toward making them second class citizens of the country.

On Monday, students joined the protests at universities across the country, including in Hyderabad, Varanasi, and the capital New Delhi, according to local media.

Video captured by students show baton-wielding police storming the campuses while firing tear gas at students.

Police officers were also seen beating up students inside campus areas like bathrooms and the library.

On one occasion, police locked up the gates of a college in the northern city of Lucknow to prevent students from taking to the streets.

About two dozen students at another college in the city sneaked out to protest.

Students in New Delhi’s Jamia Millia Islamia (JMI) and Uttar Pradesh state’s Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) had been holding protests since the new law was passed last week.

A day earlier, residents also joined students at JMI University.

Around 2000 people gathered near the university to march towards Parliament, but clashes erupted when police started firing tear gas at protesters.

Reports said protesters set on fire several buses and vehicles in the area.

There were similar scenes at the Aligarh Muslim University in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, where police also clashed with protesters.

Police, however, released detained students in the early hours of Monday after hundreds of people from other universities gathered in front of the Delhi Police headquarters.

Similar incidents occurred at the Aligarh Muslim University in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, where police also clashed with protesters on the campus.

More than a hundred students were injured in clashes on Sunday.

The United States, Canada and United Kingdom issued travel warning for their citizens, calling on them to “exercise caution” while traveling to the country’s northeast.

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RSS version:

On 12/16/2019 at 12:05 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

India is taking persecuted minorities of Pakistan so it should be the last country to condemn anything.

Cross version:

"We are worried there not only could be a refugee crisis, we are worried it could lead to a conflict between two nuclear-armed countries" - PM Imran Khan.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201912171077597855-Pakistan-wont-accept-Muslim-refugees-from-India-says-imran-khan/

 

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On 12/17/2019 at 1:36 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

There is definitely a fascist streak among Indians especially on social media. How representative that is of the average Indian living in India is debatable, but I was watching Corbyn's speech where he said he was stepping down, and some Indians commented that's what you get for siding with Jihadis and Pakistan, etc. Every time you go on reddit, a lot of the anti-Muslim comments are from Indians, often coupled with ardent supporters of Israel. Now you might say this is just online, but the political developments in India and the violence RSS has been involved in, it would be wrong to dismiss this as a fringe movement. 

BJP IT cell is not limited to FB and Twitter, they have strong online presence. It has somewhat been successful in influencing opinion of common masses. The situation has changed gradually after BJP came to power, it reflects more on internet. Israel has criticized Pakistan several times and is friend with India. Naturally, most non-Muslim Indians are pro-Israel. 

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On 12/17/2019 at 3:02 AM, The Green Knight said:

India is a perfectly secular and very peace loving country which is especially nice towards Muslims, and you Indian Muslims should keep on hoping and praying for the best, peaceful and democratic solutions to any little kinks you might face, as you folks always do.

Yes, Indian Muslims are 100 times in better position than you guys are in Pakistan. 

On 12/17/2019 at 9:46 AM, The Green Knight said:

An instance of brotherly love and care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulbhushan_Jadhav

Mr.. Jhadev was wrongfully apprehended by Pakistani spies (as usual) after accusing him of terrorism and failing to stain the clean record (as clean as a preacher's sheets) of the peaceful, just and secular India working overtime to bring stability and peace to the region along with USA and the Afghan regime. He rather only intended to make a pilgrimage to Gilgit Baltistan in the north of Pakistan to journal the plights of the minorities living there. He only accidentally mass murdered Muslim brothers when starting his journey inside Pakistan.

Irrelevant to the thread. 

On 12/17/2019 at 9:46 AM, The Green Knight said:

A slight mistake that brother SiriusBright has often regretted here on ShiaChat and made Jesus proud by doing so. (Take a wild guess. He never acknowledged let alone condemn any official Indian terror of which there may be plenty of examples.)

I try my best to condemn and admit what is wrong. I don't see similar efforts from fellow Pakistanis. 

On 12/16/2019 at 12:35 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

Narendra Modi and Amit Shah are Zaalim and hates Muslims.

 

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CAA isn't bad if it is implemented except it will show Muslims as 2nd class citizens in a democracy.

 

But if they implement another bill called NRC which they want to. Muslims will be doomed.

 

CAA grants Hindu,Bhuddist,Sikh and Christian refugees from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan citizenship but not Muslims. NRC requires a person to prove he or his ancestors lived in India prior to a cut of date ( They implemented this in Assam and 1971 was cut off). So it a person doesn't have a valid document to prove he resided in India before a cut off date his citizenship would be cancelled and all his documents like passport would be invalid. Non Muslims will come under CAA and be granted citizenship but Muslims would be persecuted and sent to concentration camps.

 

NRC was a massive failure in Assam as several people including Hindus and ex army men weren't able to produce valid documents.

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1 hour ago, Sirius_Bright said:

That depends on the requirement of NRC. Assam was a failure. They won't repeat that again. 

BJP never really have implemented anything good. Demonitisation, GST, Budget have all been terrible.

Amith Shah has been vocal about NRC's benefits for other religions and how they won't be affected at all except for Muslims. BJP have always held an anti Muslim agenda and their leaders are openly islamophobic. 

It is genuinely going to be a big problem for Muslims.

I also hate how people like Khalbe Jawad who calls himself leader of Shias or other dumbs like Waseem Rizvi and Yasoob Abbas lick the feet of BJP and Rajnath Singh. They act like voices of Shias and often make it to the front page of paper or prime time news. 

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Modi is one of the examples of the charlatans we have in positions of power in the world, promising economic improvements, but instead of pointing to the roots of the problem, they attack vulnerable populations, often tying in national security arguments. Remember the time he banned large denominational currency claiming it was used to launder money and helping terrorism financing, whereas most economists agreed that even if this was a problem, it was a small part of the problem, the bigger problem was that many Indians did not pay proper taxes and the government had provided too many incentives, which the rich used to evade taxes. This move in fact hurt ordinary Indians and especially farmers, because agriculture largely relies on cash. It's a trend with these types of figures; Trump, Boris, Bolsonaro, etc. They campaign on an economic populist message but they blame the wrong people and they link this to national security. 

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