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Imam Khomeini's view on the hereafter

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Salam,

I've heard that Imam Khomeini believed in a mithali version of the hereafter. The hereafter isn't physical as we see in this world. The actions we do in this world are present before us in the hereafter as they become a part of our soul. The actions manifest themselves in the hereafter. It's like nothing is happening on the outside.

Reading Imam Khomeini's books, it seems as if he thinks that way (maybe I'm wrong). Do a lot of our scholars believe the same thing? Do you think that maybe the hereafter can be in a different dimension, maybe not physical as we see in this world. The laws of nature wouldn't work for the hereafter yeah?

 

 

 

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The afterlife is a physical realm according to most scholars, perhaos except those with irfani leanings but I'm not sure.

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This is what Shaykh Al-Mufid said:

Paradise is the abode of grace where weariness shall not touch its inmates, nor fatigue distress them; Allah, the Exalted, set it up for those who knew and worshipped Him. Its grace is perpetual and shall never cease. The dwellers therein are of different ranks.

Those who were perfectly devoted to Allah, the Almighty, they will enter immune from the punishment of Allah. And those who mingled good actions with base ones, and put off repentance continually, death shall cut them off before they achieve it, and then certain punishment will overtake them in their lifetime or after, or in this life alone; then they will dwell in Paradise after being forgiven by Allah or punished.

And among them there would be those who will receive the grace of Allah by no previous action of their own in [this] world, these are the immortal youths (al-wildanu 'l- mukhalladun) whom Allah, the Sublime, appointed for the service of the dwellers in Paradise to requite them for their good actions. They suffer neither hardship nor trouble in their service, since they are designed by nature to perform the demands of the believers.

The reward of the dwellers in Paradise is to enjoy the delights of eating, drinking, pleasant scenes and marriage, and every pleasure of the senses to which their natural inclination leads them with which they will achieve their desires. Hence, in Paradise there is no human being who enjoys pleasure without eating, drinking, or gratification of the senses. The claim of him who alleges that in Paradise there are some who find pleasure in exalting and glorifying Allah without enjoying food or drink is, in fact, foreign to the religion of Islam.

It is an imitation of the Christians who allege that those who obey God in their lifetime will be transformed into angels who neither drink, nor eat, nor are married.

https://www.al-Islam.org/emendation-shiite-creed-shaykh-al-mufid/28-concerning-paradise-and-hell-al-jannah-wa-n-nar

 

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1 hour ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Salam,

I've heard that Imam Khomeini believed in a mithali version of the hereafter. The hereafter isn't physical as we see in this world. The actions we do in this world are present before us in the hereafter as they become a part of our soul. The actions manifest themselves in the hereafter. It's like nothing is happening on the outside.

Reading Imam Khomeini's books, it seems as if he thinks that way (maybe I'm wrong). Do a lot of our scholars believe the same thing? Do you think that maybe the hereafter can be in a different dimension, maybe not physical as we see in this world. The laws of nature wouldn't work for the hereafter yeah?

Even in “this realm” we do not experience Anything through our “physical body”.  Our so called “physical body”, it turns out, is an  psychic image (imaginable form) which only exists every time we think of it.  Our nose does not experience fragrance, our eyes do not have sight, our skin does not experience touch.  Attributing touch, smell, and sight to a physical organ is not even accurate in “this realm”.  So, by saying that we will experience everything through imaginable forms, it is simply stating the way things essentially are right now.  

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3 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Even in “this realm” we do not experience Anything through our “physical body”.  Our so called “physical body”, it turns out, is an  psychic image (imaginable form) which only exists every time we think of it.  Our nose does not experience fragrance, our eyes do not have sight, our skin does not experience touch.  Attributing touch, smell, and sight to a physical organ is not even accurate in “this realm”.  So, by saying that we will experience everything through imaginable forms, it is simply stating the way things essentially are right now.  

Just to clarify,

Our body and our organs are themselves imaginal forms perceived through what we call "soul".  The soul is precisely that which experiences.  The body, the organs, the skin and everything sensible is experienced by the soul.  What we refer to as "the physical body" is an object of experience within the soul/self.  Your "physical body" has no "physicality" except that we believe it to be so.  What does it even mean for a thing to be physical or bodily? What is typically meant by "physical" or "bodily"?  it means that it is inert and lacking in consciousness or awareness.  The body does not exist independent of awareness.  Your body does not exist at all outside of it being an object of awareness.  What you cal "your body" only exists or appears whenever you perceive it.  

This is why it is possible to have many bodies at the same time in the hereafter.    

 

        

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5 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

 jannat and heaven. 

Brother sorry for the most unhelpful reply ever but once you are in Jannah then who cares ;) Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has said it is a place to complete tranquility so that's enough for me. 

Some of the punishments of the afterlife point to a physical existence like 

Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise." (Qur'an 4:56)

And 

"…poured upon their heads will be scalding water by which is melted that within their bellies and (their) skins." (Qur'an 22:19-20)

 

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