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Are ahadith about women being evil and hatred of women true?

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Are these ahadith true????

[ 25371 ] 2 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد ، عن الجاموراني ، عن الحسن بن علي بن أبي حمزة عن صندل ، عن ابن مسكان ، عن سليمان بن خالد قال : سمعت أبا عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) يقول : اياكم ومشاورة النساء فإنّ فيهن الضعف والوهن والعجز . 

2 – And from them from al-Jamurani from al-Hasan b. Ali b. Abi Hamza from Sandal from Ibn Muskan from Sulayman b. Khalid.  He said: I heard AbuAbdillah عليه السلام saying: Beware you of consulting women, for in them is weakness, feebleness and incapacity.

 

[ 25372 ] 3 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد ، عن يعقوب بن يزيد ، عن رجل من اصحابنا يكنى ابا عبدالله رفعه ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : في خلاف النساء البركة . 

3 – And from them from Ahmad from Yaqub b. Yazid from a man from our companions who has the kunya AbuAbdillah going up from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.  He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام said: In contradicting (khilaf, variance, opposing) women is the blessing.

 

[ 25374 ] 5 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد ، عن أبي علي الواسطي رفعه إلى أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) قال : إن المرأة إذا كبرت ذهب خير شطريها ، وبقي شرهما ، ذهب جمالها وعقم رحمها ، واحتد لسانها . 

5 – And from them from Ahmad from Abu Ali al-Wasiti going up from him to Abu Jafar عليه السلام: He said: When the woman becomes old the good of her two halves goes and their evil remains.  Her beauty goes and her womb becomes barren, and her tongue becomes furious.

 

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The Prophet (S) said that three things were made lovable to him.  Prayers is the coolness of his eye, perfume and women.  
 

:)

By the way, Nahjul Balagha has a lot of sayings that appear sexist as well.  
 

To make matters worse when exaggeration is used in Arabic rhetoric it doesn’t help the modern reader... (like don’t listen to women!!) probably didn’t mean “all women”.  

We live in an age where men and women are considered equal.  In pre modern times, they were not regarded as equal.   In pre modern times people naturally saw each thing as a symbol or an archetype or a quality that had a unique status within a hierarchy.  Now everything is quantifiable because modernists see see each and every thing as reducible to mere energy/ matter/ star dust (everything has become flat and leveled). And this modern worldview has impacted almost every aspect of our life including politics such as the modern notion of democracy (to name one example).

who or what is a man and what is a woman?  This question has to understood symbolically or qualitatively.  The man has always symbolized the active quality while women always symbolized a passive or receptive quality.  The man’s phallus is active vs the woman’s vagina (receptive).  Intellect is active, emotions, and feelings are receptive.  The PEN is active and the TABLET is receptive.  Yin is active and Yang is Receptive.  This is is all relative because nothing is absolute.  The woman can have more active qualities than a man and a man can display more receptive qualities than a woman.  This is exactly what is happening in our times.  Men are becoming more and more effeminate in many ways.  And women are becoming more and more manly.  This is something to take a note of as these are one of the signs of the End Times.

So, the best way to benefit  from such Hadith when you read them is to understand that within you, you have a active functions and passive functions.  Your intellect has to be in control of your emotions and desires and your emotions and desires are supposed t passive (“this is why you should not listen to the woman”).  Even if you have a wife, if she happens to be using her intellect more than you because you are an emotional person, and she is more alert and forward thinking and logical, you should listen to her because in this case you are being the “woman”.  
 

if all this is difficult to do, just drop all the Hadith and stick to the principle.  Again, these Hadith at one point made total and complete sense to people before.  

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16 hours ago, Guest ined said:

Are these ahadith true????

[ 25371 ] 2 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد ، عن الجاموراني ، عن الحسن بن علي بن أبي حمزة عن صندل ، عن ابن مسكان ، عن سليمان بن خالد قال : سمعت أبا عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) يقول : اياكم ومشاورة النساء فإنّ فيهن الضعف والوهن والعجز . 

2 – And from them from al-Jamurani from al-Hasan b. Ali b. Abi Hamza from Sandal from Ibn Muskan from Sulayman b. Khalid.  He said: I heard AbuAbdillah عليه السلام saying: Beware you of consulting women, for in them is weakness, feebleness and incapacity.

 

[ 25372 ] 3 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد ، عن يعقوب بن يزيد ، عن رجل من اصحابنا يكنى ابا عبدالله رفعه ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : في خلاف النساء البركة . 

3 – And from them from Ahmad from Yaqub b. Yazid from a man from our companions who has the kunya AbuAbdillah going up from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.  He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام said: In contradicting (khilaf, variance, opposing) women is the blessing.

 

[ 25374 ] 5 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد ، عن أبي علي الواسطي رفعه إلى أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) قال : إن المرأة إذا كبرت ذهب خير شطريها ، وبقي شرهما ، ذهب جمالها وعقم رحمها ، واحتد لسانها . 

5 – And from them from Ahmad from Abu Ali al-Wasiti going up from him to Abu Jafar عليه السلام: He said: When the woman becomes old the good of her two halves goes and their evil remains.  Her beauty goes and her womb becomes barren, and her tongue becomes furious.

 

1. The first hadith is for the women likes of Hind wife of Abu Sufyan while Islam praises Hazrat Hajira, the wife of Hazrat Ibrahim for helping her husband in pleasing Allah (عزّ وجلّ).

2. In contradicting women, in a Court of law is blessing for cross-questioning because woman are multitaskers and also very creative so it might be that by contradicting them, we reach to pure evidence. Mind that females are very detail oriented and they notice more colours than males so they are to be taken very carefully in criminal and civil cases.

3. This is for women  the likes of Hind.

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On 12/6/2019 at 12:39 AM, Guest ined said:

[ 25372 ] 3 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد ، عن يعقوب بن يزيد ، عن رجل من اصحابنا يكنى ابا عبدالله رفعه ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : في خلاف النساء البركة . 

3 – And from them from Ahmad from Yaqub b. Yazid from a man from our companions who has the kunya AbuAbdillah going up from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.  He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام said: In contradicting (khilaf, variance, opposing) women is the blessing.

 

20 hours ago, Flying_Eagle said:

2. In contradicting women, in a Court of law is blessing for cross-questioning because woman are multitaskers and also very creative so it might be that by contradicting them, we reach to pure evidence. Mind that females are very detail oriented and they notice more colours than males so they are to be taken very carefully in criminal and civil cases.

Salam recently scholars are interpreting 'Khilaf' as visiting & peaceful talking not variance & opposing like as famous hadith by Prophet Muhammad (pbu) that said "khilaf between my Ummah is blessing" that Shia scholars based on unity doctrine are interpreting  it as peaceful gatherness of all Muslim scholars from every sect beside each other despite of all of their variances.

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1 minute ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam recently scholars are interpreting 'Khilaf' as visiting & peaceful talking not variance & opposing like as famous hadith by Prophet Muhammad (pbu) that said "khilaf between my Ummah is blessing" that Shia scholars based on unity doctrine are interpreting  it as peaceful gatherness of all Muslim scholars from every sect beside each other despite of all of their variances.

Some scholars take it as "contradiction", they say that Prophet meant when speakers gather to speak in gathering on "contradictions" more knowledge is acquired which I have witnessed in my life. 

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