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Allama Jawad Naqvi Denies ismat-e-anbiya (Infallibility of Prophets)?

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Asslamaoalaikum,

I am a fan of Agha Jawad Naqvi founder of Jamia Urwatul Wusqa Lahore. But a few days back a scholar from Karachi who claimed to have been leading prayer in a mosque in Karachi said that "Agha Jawad Naqvi has denied Ismat-e-Anbiya ((عليه السلام)) (Infallibility of Prophets (عليه السلام)). He said that this is one of the basic pillar faith of Shia faith and is according to main Shia doctrines. He said that "Agha Jawad Naqvi is polluting the Shia faith by his so called unity among Ummah". I have been defending Agah Jawad Naqvi in different religious groups and have heard his lectures on different subjects but this has disturbed me a lot. There is huge split among the scholars in Pakistan and I am very confused. Please guide me in the following:-

1. What is the importance of belief on Ismat e Anbiya ((عليه السلام)) (Infallibility of Prophets (عليه السلام))

2. What is consequence of non believing on ismat e Anbiya?

3. What is difference between sinning and Tarq e Owla?

4. What are your views about Allama Agha Jawad Naqvi?

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Salam, 

I don't know whether he denied the concept of "ismah" or not. The thing I know about this scholar is that he recently claimed that Mukhtar Al Taqafi (a.r) was a liar and he tried to misuse the great sacrifice of Karbala for gaining power and did not obeyed the Imam of his time with heart & soul.

This statement gone viral and many scholars have condemned his statement. This, now a days, is a hot topic among people in Pakistan.

Personally, I think that if anyone don't believe in the "ismah" of Prophets, he has no obligation to obey them because of the excuse that they themselves are sinners & misguided ones (na'uzobillah).

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Walaikum as salam brother

Firstly, I think the mistake lies in being a 'fan' of a certain speaker and scholar. If you receive 'ilm from the qur'an and the Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) then benefit from it, if not then ignore it. It shouldn't matter whether its coming from scholar A, B or C. 

Secondly, one should verify reports rather than relying on hearsay.

Thirdly, ismah is a topic of discussion among the muqadimeen, our early scholars. The extent, definition and application of ismah is not something unanimous and undisputed. I am not aware of what Sayyed Jawad did or didn't say, but he may have simply reiterated the views of Sheikh al Saduq in which case there is no reason to condemn him. 

Finally, one of the responses to this thread mentioned that there was controversy because of something that was said about Mukhtar al-thaqafi. There are in fact different reports and views about him, and in either case neither our fiqh nor our aqaaid are even remotely linked to him so again this shouldn't be a reason for controversy. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide us all and protect us from fitnah

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16 minutes ago, Mahdavist said:

Finally, one of the responses to this thread mentioned that there was controversy because of something that was said about Mukhtar al-thaqafi. There are in fact different reports and views about him,

Yes there are different reports about him in our books. But what is authentic? The shrine of his in Kufa, on which there is written a hadith of Ma'sum, "may God have mercy on Mukhtar ........." Or the other which declares him a liar? 

What is important for us is that whether Mukhtar was an enemy of Ahlul Bayt? If yes, no one mind calling him liar or whatever. But if he was not the enemy, rather a killer of the enemies of Ahlul Bayt, he deserves our prayers "Rahim Allaho anhu".

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1 minute ago, Cool said:

Yes there are different reports about him in our books. But what is authentic? The shrine of his in Kufa, on which there is written a hadith of Ma'sum, "may God have mercy on Mukhtar ........." Or the other which declares him a liar? 

What is important for us is that whether Mukhtar was an enemy of Ahlul Bayt? If yes, no one mind calling him liar or whatever. But if he was not the enemy, rather a killer of the enemies of Ahlul Bayt, he deserves our prayers "Rahim Allaho anhu".

I believe the reports in favour of him are stronger than those that condemn him but I don't have much knowledge on the topic. Either way, it is not essential to our deen as it has no impact on our beliefs our actions. 

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2 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

I am not aware of what Sayyed Jawad did or didn't say, but he may have simply reiterated the views of Sheikh al Saduq in which case there is no reason to condemn him. 


 

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Our belief concerning the Prophets, apostles, Imams and angels is that they are infallible (ma'sum), purified from all defilement (danas), and that they do not commit any sin, whether it be minor or major…He who denies infallibility to them in any matter appertaining to their status is ignorant of them. Our belief concerning them is that they are infallible and possess the attributes of perfection, completeness and knowledge, from the beginning to the end of their careers…

Ref: As-Saduq, al-I'tiqadat,p. 96 (in vol. 5 of Musannafatu 'sh-Shaykhi 'l-Mufid); the above quotation is based on its English translation, A Shi'ite Creed, A.A.A. Fyzee, tr. (Tehran: WOFIS, 1982) p. 87.


 

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We believe that all the Prophets are infallible…Infallibility means purity from all sins, both major and minor ones, and from mistakes and forgetfulness

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Al -Mudhaffar, 'Aqa'idu 'l-Imamiyyah, (Qom: Ansariyan, n.d.) p. 53-54; also see its translation, The Faith of Shي'a Islam (London: Muhammadi Trust, 1982) p. 21.
 

 

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:salam:
This is being discussed since a few weeks now on social media and other circles. I've watched the lecture and though I'm not a "fan" of him, he didn't say anything crazy or absurd, neither did he deny 'ismah. It's just the usual Sub-Continent Shi'as blowing things out of proportions. 

Wasalam

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12 hours ago, Aabiss_Shakari said:

1. What is the importance of belief on Ismat e Anbiya ((عليه السلام)) (Infallibility of Prophets (عليه السلام))

2. What is consequence of non believing on ismat e Anbiya?

3. What is difference between sinning and Tarq e Owla?

Did the Prophets commit Sins? | BISKIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOrTGQOsQc

 

4.I don't know him well but I think that scholars was an enemy of him because of high level knowledge of Allama Jawad Naqawi

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12 hours ago, Aabiss_Shakari said:

What are your views about Allama Agha Jawad Naqvi?

I don't keep personal hatred against any person who label himself as scholar. So my views are just my views which are confidential & within me and they can change anytime.  

May Almighty Lord guide us all & hasten the appearance of Imam of our time.

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8 hours ago, Cool said:

Salam, 

I don't know whether he denied the concept of "ismah" or not. The thing I know about this scholar is that he recently claimed that Mukhtar Al Taqafi (a.r) was a liar and he tried to misuse the great sacrifice of Karbala for gaining power and did not obeyed the Imam of his time with heart & soul.

This statement gone viral and many scholars have condemned his statement. This, now a days, is a hot topic among people in Pakistan.

Personally, I think that if anyone don't believe in the "ismah" of Prophets, he has no obligation to obey them because of the excuse that they themselves are sinners & misguided ones (na'uzobillah).

Mukhtar is actually a personality who has been widely debated in religious circle in Iran and Iraq and there are instance in history where scholars have claimed he had lied and it was also portrayed in the serial.

Again these are topics which many scholars also claim shouldn't be debated publicly. There are other stuff like existence of Fatima Sughra, or presence of Ali Akbar's mother during the battle of Karbala. Scholars often are adviced not to discuss such topics publicly in Majlis or sermons.

 

Ps - I have a sister and couple of cousins studying in Al-Mustafa who tell me these stories.

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On 11/25/2019 at 10:39 PM, Aabiss_Shakari said:

Asslamaoalaikum,

I am a fan of Agha Jawad Naqvi founder of Jamia Urwatul Wusqa Lahore. But a few days back a scholar from Karachi who claimed to have been leading prayer in a mosque in Karachi said that "Agha Jawad Naqvi has denied Ismat-e-Anbiya ((عليه السلام)) (Infallibility of Prophets (عليه السلام)). He said that this is one of the basic pillar faith of Shia faith and is according to main Shia doctrines. He said that "Agha Jawad Naqvi is polluting the Shia faith by his so called unity among Ummah". I have been defending Agah Jawad Naqvi in different religious groups and have heard his lectures on different subjects but this has disturbed me a lot. There is huge split among the scholars in Pakistan and I am very confused. Please guide me in the following:

My post is not directly related to the topic of Isma but the following links certainly describe the importance of the situation as an example we are facing in present time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9ACdu7Q1rI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wg5E6IPxx4

After the above two we should also give a thought the concluding comments that came from the other scholar as given below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgclfKQYyMA

I hope the message will be clear after watching the above links.

regards

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On 11/25/2019 at 5:39 PM, Aabiss_Shakari said:

1. What is the importance of belief on Ismat e Anbiya ((عليه السلام)) (Infallibility of Prophets (عليه السلام))

The point of such faith (not belief) in “God’s Protection (Isma) of His Friends” is So that we have unconditional confidence in something other than in our miserable and ignorant selves.  God favors certain people over others and this is what makes all the difference between one who is saved and one who isn’t.  It is only in the favor of God, in God’s special love that one can be worthy of any mention.  (Only in His favor, not in our effort!).  This is why the Prophets and the Imams are worthy of mention (in Shiaism) because they have been favored and chosen by God (and absolutely not because they did anything out of their own will to deserve it but only because God has willed it).  For everyone else, we can only be favored through them (the Prophets and the Imams) and not through our own will and our own pathetic state.  So, this is what faith in their “protection” (Isma) is all about.  This is what faith in “Wilayah” is all about.  

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2. What is consequence of non believing on ismat e Anbiya?

Who else do you confide in?  

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3. What is difference between sinning and Tarq e Owla?

just theological semantical games.  

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4. What are your views about Allama Agha Jawad Naqvi?

Who cares.  

it is good that you feel discomfort (it is a mercy from God).  This discomfort is because your God is being challenged and threatened.  Everything other than God is perishing save for His Face.  Even the role models we follow and that we are attached to, they too will perish.  
 

as for the Prophet (S) and the rest of the chosen ones, looking at them is dhikrullah.  

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