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The Green Knight

Tesla the Evil Commie

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8 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Unfortunately for you communists, Hz. Muawiya's Islam of 2.5% zakaat is anything but "socialist" or "communist". It is a pretty mixed economy. 

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6 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

Fixed.~

Zakat is a pretty low tax and it is only on select goods like cattle, certain farm products and gold/silver coins (don't exist currently). In fact, it is less relevant for us Shi'a right now than it is for certain members of other sects.

And also zakat, like khums, is only given to Shi'a believers except in certain cases where it can be given to non-Shi'a. Yea, you won't solve world hunger like this.

Zakat Al-Fitra is also quite low as well, especially if you are well off.

These are the laws you will find in the books of Hadith, and in the rasa'il of the scholars. 

What else? I appreciate you being a socialist, many socialists have done many great things and are good people. But unfortunately for you, to argue Islam and socialism can co-exist is a fantasy.

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5 hours ago, Sumerian said:

I appreciate you being a socialist

Actually this was exactly the point behind my little satire about Tesla, calling him a commie. If someone does not conform and submit and like the present economic norms then like myself and Nikola Tesla its a given that people will call them commies.

Thank you btw.

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6 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

Actually this was exactly the point behind my little satire about Tesla, calling him a commie.

What a joke, I don't think you have what it takes to create thought provoking satire. Btw, the 1950's called, they want their insult back.

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8 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Obviously, you called Tesla a commie. You don't insult greatness like that with asinine political labels.

Obviously you are pretending to be oblivious of what satire means and the harmlessness of its humor.

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On 11/14/2019 at 2:12 PM, Sumerian said:

Unfortunately for you, Islam is anything but "socialist" or "communist". It is a pretty mixed economy. 

Why not tell us about how great Islamic economics is?. I doubt you can as it does not have anything in it, apart from tax, charity and selective charity or rules such as hey buddy don’t cheat on the scales. Very ambigious as one would not even know how to deal with wages. Economics is larger then that. It is about how well a nation can run properly without inequality. although no nation has managed this yet. I would have assumed a God made religion would have solved this problem. Istikunda is man made. I want something from the original source.

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1 hour ago, Guest 0%Monad said:

Why not tell us about how great Islamic economics is?. I doubt you can as it does not have anything in it, apart from tax, charity and selective charity or rules such as hey buddy don’t cheat on the scales. Very ambigious as one would not even know how to deal with wages. Economics is larger then that. It is about how well a nation can run properly without inequality. although no nation has managed this yet. I would have assumed a God made religion would have solved this problem. Istikunda is man made. I want something from the original source.

Don't mind him, Batman is just tense nowadays. He will come around.

The real Islamic system intended by God was only practiced briefly and can be read about when Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was caliph and how he ran the bait ul maal / treasury. The state paid for the orphans, the new born and the financially incapable, and the treasury was literally cleaned each day after everything in it was distributed equally among the citizens. It empowered each and every one of the citizens of the state and therefore considered the people the foremost asset of the state.

The fake Islam found today and as practiced by bani umayya is also vividly recorded in history. It was the root of contention between Hz. Aba Dhar Ghafari (رضي الله عنه) and Muawiya ibn sufiyan. Muawiya cared exclusively for the elite, the wealthy traders, and considered them the asset of the state, just as wealthy people are treated like royalty in capitalist societies. He came up with the law of a flat 2.5% tax deduction on profits and earning regardless how wealthy or common a citizen was and how much their income and property was. Abu Dhar pointed it out and stood against it for the rights of the downtrodden and the poor, so he was arrested, accused of causing unrest and ultimately killed by exiling him with his family to a godforsaken desert.

So the content of the economic story just like the story of this world is not governments, ideologies, knowledge or anything else other than the people. If the people are cared for then all is good, even religiously. If people are not cared for then even God does not forgive regardless of how much someone is scholarly or pious.

Tesla cared for the people. He was a very unusual man. Despite being such an extraordinary genius he had the traditional bad luck or the hand of fate that kept him down and his ideas, like the Wardenclyffe tower, literally raze to the ground and all his documents and ideas seized. He regretted having chosen to stick with America and mentioned he had found promise in moving to Russia uet hope kept him from being realistic in fulfilling his dream of free energy for his fellow human beings. He had discovered free energy harvested from the ionosphere which he meant to distribute among the people wirelessly and unmetered. The ionosphere, as the name suggests, is overflowing with endless supply of charged particles at a potential of many millions of volts. Capitalism and greedy capitalists simply could not let that be. And of course anyone who dislikes the capitalist mainstreams automatically becomes a "commie" A big red commie. And of course all the other are proper, sane and rightful citizens with rights (same way ants in an ant farm have rights and their say and standing in their society). Even if they did watch the film I linked they hold the right to deny and oppose it all.Hah!

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3 hours ago, Guest 0%Monad said:

Why not tell us about how great Islamic economics is?. I doubt you can as it does not have anything in it, apart from tax, charity and selective charity or rules such as hey buddy don’t cheat on the scales. Very ambigious as one would not even know how to deal with wages. Economics is larger then that. It is about how well a nation can run properly without inequality. although no nation has managed this yet. I would have assumed a God made religion would have solved this problem. Istikunda is man made. I want something from the original source.

I never claimed Islam has an "economic system", it simply has economic and financial laws that are anti-socialist. 

2 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

The real Islamic system intended by God was only practiced briefly and can be read about when Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was caliph and how he ran the bait ul maal / treasury. The state paid for the orphans, the new born and the financially incapable, and the treasury was literally cleaned each day after everything in it was distributed equally among the citizens. It empowered each and every one of the citizens of the state and therefore considered the people the foremost asset of the state.

That's called welfare, and it exists in capitalist Europe. lol. The fact of the matter is private property is considered sacred in Islam, but in socialism private property doesn't exist. Islam believes in a market, socialism doesn't. "Red Islam" does not exist.

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7 hours ago, Sumerian said:

That's called welfare, and it exists in capitalist Europe. lol. The fact of the matter is private property is considered sacred in Islam, but in socialism private property doesn't exist. Islam believes in a market, socialism doesn't. "Red Islam" does not exist.

You can think beyond red and white. Or you can keep beating the strawman of isms to prove me right. For which I thank you again.

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1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

You can think beyond red and white. Or you can keep beating the strawman of isms to prove me right. For which I thank you again.

Well whether you admit it or not, certain aspects of Islam are very capitalist (like private property and a profit-based market). And certain aspects are socialist (like welfare and public property).

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On 11/17/2019 at 5:10 AM, Sumerian said:

Well whether you admit it or not, certain aspects of Islam are very capitalist (like private property and a profit-based market). And certain aspects are socialist (like welfare and public property).

Its not so simple. Can't you see how capitalism is anything but Islamic? Capitalism is merely the religion of money, a disease of the most intense bottomless greed that mankind suffers from en mass. Your own country and its oil has been devoured by its greed, your people being sacrificed at its altar by the hundreds of thousands. All the bombs and depleted uranium dropped upon your people came from democratic countries with their democracy and 'welfare' that you are so fond of. All the westerners voted and brought their leaders into power who are leading an unrelenting crusade against all the foremost Muslim nations. If its perfectly democratic, suppose, then it means all the millions upon millions of westerners are all inhuman bloodthirsty brigand like savages? And therefore equally responsible of our mass murders? And you like and want these same systems?

On the other hand, Russia and China are saving / trying to save Syria, Iran and Pakistan, or whatever is left of the Muslim world and Muslims.

And your choice is .... uncle satan's capitalism and demoncracy?

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Or perhaps it is that you are just being yourself as usual and have only been acting childish like you do? :D 

 

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4 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

Its not so simple. Can't you see how capitalism is anything but Islamic? Capitalism is merely the religion of money, a disease of the most intense bottomless greed that mankind suffers from en mass. Your own country and its oil has been devoured by its greed, your people being sacrificed at its altar by the hundreds of thousands. All the bombs and depleted uranium dropped upon your people came from democratic countries with their democracy and 'welfare' that you are so fond of. All the westerners voted and brought their leaders into power who are leading an unrelenting crusade against all the foremost Muslim nations. If its perfectly democratic, suppose, then it means all the millions upon millions of westerners are all inhuman bloodthirsty brigand like savages? And therefore equally responsible of our mass murders? And you like and want these same systems?

On the other hand, Russia and China are saving / trying to save Syria, Iran and Pakistan, or whatever is left of the Muslim world and Muslims.

And your choice is .... uncle satan's capitalism and demoncracy?

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Or perhaps it is that you are just being yourself as usual and have only been acting childish like you do? :D 

 

Bruv what are you on about lol. I said there's aspects of Islam that are capitalist because private property exists in Islam and for-profit markets also exist in Islam, and you went on a rant about Uncle Sam :hahaha:

May I remind both China and Russia are capitalist lol. China is communist in name. And both are evil nations just like the US. Since when were Muslims in favour of one form of fisq and dhulm over another? lol

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

Since when were Muslims in favour of one form of fisq and dhulm over another? lol

 

"Your friends are three and your enemies are three. Your friends are: your friend, the friend of your friend, and the enemy of your enemy. Your enemies are: your enemy, the enemy of your friend, and the friend of your enemy."

 
Edit: Plx plx plx now Batman plx grant me my wish and write "lol how is uncle sam our enemy? lol" Thx u~ That will make my day.
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1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

 

"Your friends are three and your enemies are three. Your friends are: your friend, the friend of your friend, and the enemy of your enemy. Your enemies are: your enemy, the enemy of your friend, and the friend of your enemy."

 
Edit: Plx plx plx now Batman plx grant me my wish and write "lol how is uncle sam our enemy? lol" Thx u~ That will make my day.

lol Russia isn't just America's enemy. They are our enemy. I view America and Russia both as enemies of Islam lol and they're both CaPiTaLisT :hahaha:

"US iMpeRiaLisM is WoRsE" :hahaha: brother look at what Russia did to the Chechens and what China is doing to Uyghur Muslims. Even Khomeini claimed the Soviet Union is worse than America and Britain lol 

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12 hours ago, Sumerian said:

lol Russia isn't just America's enemy. They are our enemy. I view America and Russia both as enemies of Islam lol and they're both CaPiTaLisT :hahaha:

"US iMpeRiaLisM is WoRsE" :hahaha: brother look at what Russia did to the Chechens and what China is doing to Uyghur Muslims. Even Khomeini claimed the Soviet Union is worse than America and Britain lol 

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7 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

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I have no hate towards you but your arguments are weak bruv. No such thing as socialist Islam, get that through your head :hahaha:

In fact when the communist movements were beginning in Iran and Iraq, the first people who moved against them were religious institutions in Najaf and Qom. Simply it is incompatible with Islam bruv. :grin:

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