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Was. See sura 23 ayah 5-6 from sarf nahw fiqh tasfir shows from Qur'an mastrubatuon is haraam. Imam Sadiq as mentioned these ayah when asked about mastrubatuon.

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On 11/17/2019 at 4:21 PM, Revert1963 said:

The Prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) did not speak out of his own desire when he delivered the message that Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ‎) had send down to him. The Qur'an has mostly been preserved because it was written down with in living memory of the Prophets family and companions. The Hadith was written much later. That is why there is a clear hierarchy between the Qur'an and the hadith. They are not equal. The Qur'an contain the message of Allah. The Hadith contain a compilation of what people 200 years later perceived to be the tradition (or sunnah) of the Prophet and his contemporary's. I am not rejecting the hadith. I think it has a value as tradition. I just don't think it has the same authority as the Qur'an.

Well you pretty much are rejecting it when you reason that anything that is forbidden by the hadith but not by the Qur'an is actually permissible.

Which brings back my question: is necrophilia permissible in Islam?

Wallahu a'lam

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9 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

Well you pretty much are rejecting it when you reason that anything that is forbidden by the hadith but not by the Qur'an is actually permissible.

Which brings back my question: is necrophilia permissible in Islam?

Wallahu a'lam

My point is that Masturbation is not mentioned directly in the Qur'an. It is all a matter of interpretation whether done by Imam Jaffar Al-Sadiq or anybody else. I am not in a position to say what is permissible and neither is you. I put my trust in Allah. Have a nice day.

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2 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

My point is that Masturbation is not mentioned directly in the Qur'an. It is all a matter of interpretation whether done by Imam Jaffar Al-Sadiq or anybody else. I am not in a position to say what is permissible and neither is you. I put my trust in Allah. Have a nice day.

Indeed I am not in that position. The Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) and the a'immah (عليه السلام) have already clarified this matter.

Nice day to you too.

Wallahu a'lam 

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On 11/16/2019 at 11:40 AM, Ali~J said:

not having sexual relations for a long time (from puberty onwards) can lead to prostate cancer in men and can cause things like epididymal hypertension (which I suffer from) maybe even psychological problems. This is why early marriage is recommended so much in Islam

If one cannot get married or do mutah for a very long time after puberty (for example 15-20 years) and they also do not masturbate because it is haram, then what can they do so that they don't suffer from any medical or psychological effects? 

Most young people fall in this category where they have to wait  for atleast a decade or even more before they get their first halal opportunity to have sexual fulfillment. Now if they masturbate, they will be sinning, but they will at least have some sexual outlet and will therefore not suffer from any negative psychological issues. But masturbation is prohibited, so this method is out of the way. 

But if they don't masturbate, and also don't have halal sexual outlets, then what means can they adopt in their unmarried lives which will save them from any psychological negatives or health issues that could arise from a completely unfulfilled desire? 

Basically the question is that......if an unmarried person doesn't want to suffer from any physical or mental issues that will arise because he doesn't have any halal options and also doesn't masturbate, then are there any methods or ways which he can adopt, which will save him from all these negative issues of a sexual desire which is not being fullfilled even by masturbation. 

If there is no such way, or it is not possible to avoid the "negative issues" before marriage, then one could argue that these issues are being caused not just by society which makes it difficult to get married early but also by Islam which prohibits masturbation categorically. 

But we know that nothing in Islam is "negative". This means that if Islam wants that an unmarried person should never masturbate (no matter how difficult it may be), then it must be a very positive thing to have an absolutely unfulfilled sexual desire before marriage.

In other words, an unmarried person should find a solution that even though he has no halal sexual outlet AND he also doesn't ever commit masturbation but still he feels no negative consequences or physical health issues.

Islam must have given a solution for this......so question is....What has Islam said that what can be that solution where a person is unmarried and hence completely sexually deprived and yet fully chaste (no masturbation at all) and also suffers no psychological issues or health problems because of unfulfilled desire? 

The answer to this question should be the target of every Muslim man who is unmarried, trying to avoid masturbation and in the process, is getting frustrated because of lack of halal sex. Frustration, negative sexual effects and harmful physical condition should not be the outcome of a chaste pre-marital, masturbation free life. 

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@Anonymous-Male doesn’t the body have a natural means in wet dreams?
Also I’m not sure if you are aware but there is a community on Reddit called NoFap that seem to go long periods without this act.

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21 hours ago, Anonymous-Male said:

If one cannot get married or do mutah for a very long time after puberty (for example 15-20 years) and they also do not masturbate because it is haram, then what can they do so that they don't suffer from any medical or psychological effects? 

This is nonsense. I have gone through long periods of my adult life in strict celibacy which means no masturbating as well as no sex and there were no harmful medical or psychological effects, I have though noticed harmful effects of masturbating in my adult life, and before that in my teenaged years I noticed the harm that it did.

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I agree with you. My question was only in response to a comment that says being unmarried for long periods will cause medical problems. In a way that would imply that following Islam (staying chaste before marriage) causes medical & psychological damage, and we know that nothing in Islam is designed to cause any damage to physical or mental health. 

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Salam, 

Islam discourages being unmarried (or delay it) when we are able to get married, let alone for long periods.  Being unmarried for long periods is not from the teaching of Islam.

وَأَنْكِحُوا الْأَيَامَىٰ مِنْكُمْ وَالصَّالِحِينَ مِنْ عِبَادِكُمْ وَإِمَائِكُمْ ۚ إِنْ يَكُونُوا فُقَرَاءَ يُغْنِهِمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ

"Marry the single people from among you and the righteous slaves and slave-girls. If you are poor, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will make you rich through His favour; and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is Bountiful, All-Knowing." (Surah 24, Verse 32)

In this verse, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) commands us (by Him using the imperative form of the verb) to marry the single, righteous man/woman from among us. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) even gives us a guarantee that if we are poor or lack the proper funds, still we should not delay the marriage as Allah will take care of the couple and grant them bounties from His Grace and Mercy.

وَلْيَسْتَعْفِفِ الَّذِينَ لَا يَجِدُونَ نِكَاحًا حَتَّىٰ يُغْنِيَهُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ ۗ

"And let those who cannot find someone to marry maintain chastity until Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) makes them rich through His favours ..."(Surah 24, Verse 33)

In the continuation of Surah 24, in the above quoted verse, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) commands the believers to remain chaste and faithful if they cannot find a suitable spouse to marry until Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) grants them bounties out of His favors. Thus, one must not resort to evil, sin or illicit sexual relationships because they cannot find a permanent spouse.

قالَ رَسُولُ اللهِ (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلّمَ): مِنْ سُنَّتِي أَلتَّزْوِيجُ فَمَنْ رَغِبَ عَنْ سُنَّتِي فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي.

The Messenger of Allah (S) has said, "Of my tradition is to marry. So then whoever turns away from my tradition (Sunnah) is not from me (my nation)."

 

عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللهِ (عَلَيْهِ السَّلامُ): جاءَ رَجُلٌ إِلى أَبِي فَقالَ لَهُ: هَلَ لَكَ زَوْجَةٌ؟ قالَ لا. قالَ (عَلَيهِ السَّلامُ): لا أُحِبُّ أَنّ لِيَ الدُّنْيا وَما فِيها وَإِنِّي أُبِيتُ لَيْلَةً لَيْسَ لِي زَوْجَةٌ.

It has been narrated from Abi Abdillah that, "A man once came to my father. My father asked him, "Are you married?" The man replied, 'No.' My father (عليه السلام) replied, 'I would not love to have the world and all that is contained within it if it meant I had to spend one night without a woman (beside me).'"

Humans make too many excuses to delay in marriage.

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35 minutes ago, layman said:

Islam discourages being unmarried (or delay it) when we are able to get married, let alone for long periods.  Being unmarried for long periods is not from the teaching of Islam.

Nobody is doubting that, everyone agrees that people should get married early. However, many people are not able to get married soon and have to wait for a decade or even more after puberty. This is for reasons beyond their control and they have no choice in this. 

There are also some scenarios where people really cannot get married for extended periods, for example people who are prisoners. 

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32 minutes ago, Anonymous-Male said:

Nobody is doubting that, everyone agrees that people should get married early. However, many people are not able to get married soon and have to wait for a decade or even more after puberty. This is for reasons beyond their control and they have no choice in this. 

There are also some scenarios where people really cannot get married for extended periods, for example people who are prisoners. 

Salam,

I understand the scenario.

The next choice is to be mukmin...

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[Shakir 23:1] Successful indeed are the believers,
[Shakir 23:2] Who are humble in their prayers,
[Shakir 23:3] And who keep aloof from what is vain,
[Shakir 23:4] And who are givers of poor-rate,
[Shakir 23:5] And who guard their private parts

Imam Ja’far As-Sadiq (عليه السلام) said, “The best worship of Allah is to protect ones private parts from haram (illegitimate) acts.” One person asked, “O Imam (عليه السلام)! My actions are not commendable nor do I fast regularly. But I strive hard to have a halal (legitimate) livelihood.” The Imam (عليه السلام) said, “There is no prayer greater than the chastity of the stomach and the private parts.”


The Prophet of Islam (S) has said, “The biggest causes of my followers going to the Hell are two empty things, the empty stomach and their private parts.”


The Imam Ja’far As-Sadiq (عليه السلام) is reported to have said to Najm, “O Najm! All Shi’as will be with us in the Heaven but imagine the predicament of those whose failings would be exposed there.” Najm asked the Imam (عليه السلام), “O Imam! Will this be the condition of your Shi’as?” He said, “Yes! If he has not guarded his belly and the private parts.”

 

If a person cannot chose the legal way of to satisfy sexual drives such as getting marry early because to obey Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى),  follow the sunnah of Prophet and teachings of Imams and try to be mukmin.... the  he/she choose to be a sinner, it is a choice that the person has to make.

Islam will not force anyone, except to show them the way to success.

Another issue, private type sins and not having other people to know it...it is between him and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  Even if someone drink beer and only himself knows it...it is up to him and his Rabb.  He has the big chance to make Taubah.  Repentance is allowed for humans but not for Iblis and his gangs.

We pray for Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to forgive us (we are sinners), and show us the right path.

If someone came to me and say he mastubated privately, I will tell him that that I don't believe him. I also tell him that mastubation is not allowed if you want to be mukmin.  I pray that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will show him to the right path.  The reason is to keep the private sins within himself and his Rabb.

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On 11/18/2019 at 1:51 AM, Revert1963 said:

The Prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) did not speak out of his own desire when he delivered the message that Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ‎) had send down to him. The Qur'an has mostly been preserved because it was written down with in living memory of the Prophets family and companions. The Hadith was written much later. That is why there is a clear hierarchy between the Qur'an and the hadith. They are not equal. The Qur'an contain the message of Allah. The Hadith contain a compilation of what people 200 years later perceived to be the tradition (or sunnah) of the Prophet and his contemporary's. I am not rejecting the hadith. I think it has a value as tradition. I just don't think it has the same authority as the Qur'an.

Salam it was Sunni hadiths that recorded 200 years after demise of Prophet Muhammad (pbu) but Shia hadiths recorded from time of Prophet Muhammad (pbu) by Imam Ali (عليه السلام) that he prohibited masturbation when he became caliph but three caliphs didn't do anything about it because it was practiced by them before converting to Islam so they couldn't stand against it also during Umayyid & Abbasid era they were keeping busy people with sins to rule over them that in Abbasid era "Mamun" at time of Imam Jawad (عليه السلام) appointed ibn Aksam   as his grand judge that was infamous for doing masturbation & homosexuality & pedophilia among people  that a Sunni  poet name of Ahmad ibn Abi naeim  made a poem in  presence of Mamun about it that becomes a quote among people " our king (Mamun) takes bribe & our judge  (Yahay ibn Aksam) is doing sodomy & worst of evil act is that  comes from  our leaders " or " when problems of world & people will be fixed when our grand judge is doing sodomy ,... that punishes zina based on Sharia law but sodomites are feeling safe beside him" that now wahabists are supporting this idea that every leader can do any type of sin in front of people but nobody can't even blame them also Sunni sources are supporting masturbation by sex toys that made from animal organs &  skins instead of Mutah that they know it as Zina against word of Qur'an & tradition of Prophet Muhmmad (pbu) 

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27344

about Prophet Muhammad (pbu) that said he was a normal human was an answer to Christians that said why Allah doesn't send his Prophet as an angel or something else than human

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from response of Imam Hadi (عليه السلام) to Yahya ibn Aksam that said Prophet (pbu) was a nomal human being like others that was making mistakes by wrong interpretation of verses of Qur'an

The addressee is the Prophet, but he was not suspicious in the revelation revealed to him, but the ignorant ones said, 'Why did Allah not send an angel to send a message between us and didn't make separation between us and his Prophet?' He also eats and drinks and walks in the markets. ?Allah has revealed that in the presence of these fools you should ask those who were familiar with the scriptures before you. Has God ever sent a message to mankind that he should not eat or drink and go to the markets? Like you and the interpretation that if you have doubt that he did not has doubt, it is in terms of appeasement and companionship as commanded with them in the verse of the Qur'an Say: Come and invite our children and your children and our women and your women and ourselves and us and ourselves, then curse and curse of Allah on the liars. Of course the liars were Christians and there was no doubt about it but If he had said that we would put curse of Allah on you, they would not have been accepted the Mubahila and Allah would has known that his Prophet would deliver His messages and he would not be a liar. Here, too, he was sure of his Prophet's truthfulness, but Allah wanted to speak with the claimant as neutral observant.

https://hawzah.net/fa/goharenab/View/69548/-امام-هادی-و-پاسخ-به-سئوالات-یحیی-ابن-اکثم

 

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On 11/22/2019 at 5:11 AM, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

@Revert1963 
video: [Allah Sent the Qur'an with Prophet Muhammad Not to Him! | Shaykh Azhar Nasser]

I don't think that a speech makes any more sense if it has reverb on it. :)

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On 11/15/2019 at 7:37 PM, Revert1963 said:

Qur'an does not mention masturbation. Neither as a sin nor otherwise.

Qur'an does mention masturbation as a sin.

A woman (wife) can sexually please a man (husband) by masturbation it is halal.
But a man can not sexually please a man (himself) by masturbation as it is homosexuality and disliked by Allah.
 

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On 12/4/2019 at 2:10 PM, Shahrukh K said:

Qur'an does mention masturbation as a sin.

A woman (wife) can sexually please a man (husband) by masturbation it is halal.
But a man can not sexually please a man (himself) by masturbation as it is homosexuality and disliked by Allah.
 

When quoting the quraan could you please write which Surah and which Ayat?

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On 11/14/2019 at 7:39 PM, Vindemiatrix said:

Yes God forbids masturbation (most likely for mental and relationship reasons). But allows halal sex. If someone isn't masturbating or having sex for so many years they're probably going to have psychological problems and health problems too

If someone is unable to have halal sex for long periods, and also does not masturbate because it is forbidden by Allah, then he is following Islam. And following Allah's orders cannot/should not cause any psychological problems. Otherwise one could argue that Islamic rules leads to psychological problems by not allowing unmarried people to masturbate. 

If Allah has prohibited masturbation even for people who have to stay unmarried for very long periods, it can only mean that complete lack of halal sex and masturbation must have some great health benefits for these people. If lack of masturbation had caused psychological problems, Allah would have allowed unmarried people to masturbate. The fact that He doesnt allow masturbation must mean there is no psychological harm even if a person is unmarried and still never ever masturbates. Infact, if a person has to stay unmarried for extended periods, then it would very healthy and beneficial for him if he never masturbates, even though he has no opportunity for halal sex.

In summary, complete lack of sexual activity must be very healthy and psychologically beneficial for people who are unmarried and that is why Allah prohibits any sexual activity outside marriage. 

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5 hours ago, Anonymous-Male said:

If someone is unable to have halal sex for long periods, and also does not masturbate because it is forbidden by Allah, then he is following Islam. And following Allah's orders cannot/should not cause any psychological problems.

We need to be cautious.

Islam encourages people to have halal sexual intercourse. Muta'a is a Sunna and it is Mustahab. 

Staying away from sexual intercourse isn't ideal. It's disliked for men to be single or bachelors. 

So, we should be careful to not project the idea that not having sex is somehow better or superior or more pious. It's not. 

We ought to remove the barriers for people to have halal sex. If we don't, we increase the chances of people having Haram sex. Because people will find a way to have sexual activities, one way or another, with themselves or others. And we ought to make sure we make it easy and accessible for people to have Halal sex and not Haram sex. 

Halal sex is good and encouraged in Islam.

Masturbation is Zina and it's 100% Haram and forbidden, without a doubt. 

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5 hours ago, Anonymous-Male said:

If someone is unable to have halal sex for long periods, and also does not masturbate because it is forbidden by Allah, then he is following Islam. And following Allah's orders cannot/should not cause any psychological problems. Otherwise one could argue that Islamic rules leads to psychological problems by not allowing unmarried people to masturbate. 

Celibacy is forbidden. Going without halal sex for a long time isn't following Allah's orders.

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58 minutes ago, Vindemiatrix said:

 Going without halal sex for a long time isn't following Allah's orders.

It isn't going against orders either.

Marriage is only recommended and not wajib unless there is fear of falling into haram.

Weaker ones Imaan more prone is he to falling into haram. Strong Imaan and self control go hand in hand, can't have the former without the latter and in this condition the person is fine if he/she is single for any reason.

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44 minutes ago, starlight said:

Marriage is only recommended and not wajib unless there is fear of falling into haram.

Really? I always thought that it was wajib?

 

The Prophet (S) says, “No house has been built in Islam more beloved in the sight of Allah than through marriage.” (1)

On another occasion the Prophet (S) said,

“The best people of my nation (Ummat) are those who get married and have chosen their wives, and the worst people of my nation are those who have kept away from marriage and are passing their lives as bachelors.” (2)

Imam ‘Ali ((عليه السلام).) exhorts, “Marry, because marriage is the tradition of the Prophet (S).” The Prophet (S) also said, “Whosoever likes to follow my tradition, then he should know that marriage is from my tradition.” (3)

 

(1) Wasa’il ul-Shi’a, vol. 14, p. 3

(2) Mustadrakul Wasael, Muhaddith Noori, vol. 2, p. 531 quoted in A Gift for the Youth, Shabeeb Rizvi

(3) Wasa’il ul-Shi’a, vol. 14, p. 3-4, 6

 

Also this short story:

‘Uthman bin Maz’un was a close companion of the Prophet (S). One day his wife came to the Prophet (S) and complained, “O Messenger of God (S)! ‘Uthman fasts during the day and stands for prayers during the night.” In other words, she meant to say that her husband was avoiding sexual relations during the night as well as the day. The Prophet (S) was angered. He did not even wait to put on his slippers. He went to ‘Uthman’s house and found him praying. When ‘Uthman finished his prayers and turned towards the Prophet (S), he said, “O ‘Uthman! Allah did not send me for monasticism, rather He sent me with a simple and straight [Shariah]. I fast, pray and also have intimate relations with my wife. So whosoever likes my tradition, then he should follow it; and marriage is one of my traditions.” 

Wasa’il ul-Shi’a, Vol. 14, p. 10

 

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2 hours ago, Vindemiatrix said:

Going without halal sex for a long time isn't following Allah's orders

I think you didn't notice that I said "when someone is unable to have halal sex", then he is following Islam if he doesn't masturbate. An unmarried person imprisoned for life would be such an example because he might never get married and would be required to not masturbate either. 

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3 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

Staying away from sexual intercourse isn't ideal. It's disliked for men to be single or bachelors. 

The question was about people who have no means to get married (for example prisoners). They don't have a choice. Islam requires them to stay away from sexual intercourse and also masturbation. For them, following Islam would mean staying away from sex as well as masturbation, for as long as they are imprisoned or even for their entire lives if they are serving life imprisonment. 

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1 hour ago, Vindemiatrix said:

The best people of my nation (Ummat) are those who get married and have chosen their wives, and the worst people of my nation are those who have kept away from marriage and are passing their lives as bachelors.” (2)

This would not apply to people who are passing their lives as bachelors only because they are forced into celibacy for none of their own fault (for example if they are imprisoned). If a prisoner remains celibate and never engages in haram sex or even masturbation, then he himself could be the best person of this ummah. 

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59 minutes ago, Anonymous-Male said:

The question was about people who have no means to get married (for example prisoners). They don't have a choice. Islam requires them to stay away from sexual intercourse and also masturbation. For them, following Islam would mean staying away from sex as well as masturbation, for as long as they are imprisoned or even for their entire lives if they are serving life imprisonment. 

These are exceptional cases. However, considering the Islamic view on sex and Muta'a, it may be worthwhile to look into providing options for these inmates to have conjugal visits for sexual purposes. Otherwise, we're increasing the likelihood of these inmates to resort to masturbation, which is Haram.

Inmates and prisoners are humans with natural human needs, and we ought to treat them humanely. This is, however, a digression from the main topic. It's a complex topic, with much nuances. 

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On 11/16/2019 at 4:35 AM, Revert1963 said:

You don't have that claim from the Qur'an. People have made up many hadiths to suit their own purpose. Even if that particular hadith is genuine it still doesn't say so in the Qur'an. If Allah wanted masturbation to be haram why didn't he make sure that it was in the Qur'an?

Show me the metjod to pray namaz? Where is in Qur'an that do 2 sajdah 1 ruku? Why you don't iffer 3 sajda? You are wrong buddy..Qur'an don't tells you directly everything.You have to listen to ahadees too..And Ahadees are sayings of Nabi SAWW..Who don't speek untill Allah says him to talk. Sorry for my bad english.

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1 hour ago, SoRoUsH said:

Otherwise, we're increasing the likelihood of these inmates to resort to masturbation, which is Haram.

My point is that if Islam doesn't allow even a prisoner to masturbate - one who may never get any halal sex in his entire life, then how can a normal person who will get married sooner or later, can give any excuse for masturbation. In other words, masturbation is not permissible even if a person faces exceptional circumstances where he is forced to remain unmarried for his entire life.

Because Allah doesn't test anyone with a burden greater than he can carry, so if HE requires that people never masturbate, even in enforced celibacy, then it could only mean that masturbation is something which can be totally avoidable. Although Allah forgives our sins, nobody can ever give any excuse or justification or reason to masturbate - even if imprisoned for life. 

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2 hours ago, Anonymous-Male said:

I think you didn't notice that I said "when someone is unable to have halal sex", then he is following Islam if he doesn't masturbate. An unmarried person imprisoned for life would be such an example because he might never get married and would be required to not masturbate either. 

But the post before that I was talking about the normal situations. But the situation you've presented here is quite exceptional. Usually one just has to survive from about 13-23 so a 10 year war normally... 

So the only active thing which is happening is following Allah's orders by not masturbating. In the situation you've mentioned we can't control whether we can have halal sex or not... 

This is incredibly difficult. I myself don't know anyone who doesn't do it. Here are somethings which are said to be easier than abstinence for people with high libido: Losing weight, fasting, getting a degree or higher qualifications. How do we know that abstinence is harder? Because there are people who have done all three of these things combined but they still don't stop masturbation. There's probably some people who try to stop this habit and they literally aren't successful before their marriage but at that point it obviously doesn't even matter then... 

 

You mentioned this:

10 hours ago, Anonymous-Male said:

And following Allah's orders cannot/should not cause any psychological problems

Well it's caused major mental issues for me.... 

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16 minutes ago, Anonymous-Male said:

In other words, masturbation is not permissible even if a person faces exceptional circumstances where he is forced to remain unmarried for his entire life.

The rewards for such a person are truly unimaginable.

17 minutes ago, Anonymous-Male said:

Because Allah doesn't test anyone with a burden greater than he can carry

But what about the people who committed suicide? 

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33 minutes ago, Anonymous-Male said:

My point is that if Islam doesn't allow even a prisoner to masturbate - one who may never get any halal sex in his entire life, then how can a normal person who will get married sooner or later, can give any excuse for masturbation. In other words, masturbation is not permissible even if a person faces exceptional circumstances where he is forced to remain unmarried for his entire life.

Because Allah doesn't test anyone with a burden greater than he can carry, so if HE requires that people never masturbate, even in enforced celibacy, then it could only mean that masturbation is something which can be totally avoidable. Although Allah forgives our sins, nobody can ever give any excuse or justification or reason to masturbate - even if imprisoned for life. 

Right. Masturbation is 100% Haram, no doubt about it. 

What we need to think about, in our societies and cultures, is how we could prevent our youth from masturbating or other illegal sexual activities. Telling them to ignore or fight their desires isn't effective. Instead, we ought to make it easy and accessible for our youth, men and women, to fulfill their sexual desires in Halal ways. We ought to remove the stigma attached to Muta'a. We ought to remove the stigma attached to having sex with more than one individual. Individuals can have sex frequently and with multiple individuals and remain chaste, as long as they only have halal sex and respect the Waiting Period. We need to understand this properly. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Vindemiatrix said:

This is incredibly difficult

Yes! It is extremely difficult for unmarried people to never masturbate, especially if their libido is very high. It may require superhuman effort and sexual patience beyond the ability of a common man.

Despite this, we know that Allah doesn't test anyone with a burden greater than he can bare - so even if avoiding masturbation is extremely difficult, we can still not lodge a complaint with Allah that it is beyond our ability to not masturbate. In other words, sexual piety is tremendously difficult - but is their any choice?

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2 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Individuals can have sex frequently and with multiple individuals and remain chaste, as long as they only have halal sex. We need to understand this properly. 

It is understood, but the ground reality is that many people will not find any means for even a single halal sexual encounter for years or even decades. 

 

4 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Telling them to ignore or fight their desires isn't effective

If a person has no method or any chance at all for any halal sex for a long time, then there is no choice for him - He will be expected by Islamic law to ignore and fight his desire so that he doesn't sin. If we say that fighting desire is ineffective, then that would mean any person who has genuinely no means to get married, should be allowed to sin. Because masturbation never becomes allowed no matter what, one has to accept that ignoring and fighting sexual urges is what a person must do - if halal sex is completely unavailable. 

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28 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Instead, we ought to make it easy and accessible for our youth, men and women, to fulfill their sexual desires in Halal ways

Completely agree. But if this doesn't happen for any particular individual, then what choice will he have other than to fight his desire ? 

If we say that fighting desire is ineffective, then it could imply that we are indirectly blaming Islamic law for being unrealistic by asking unmarried people to remain chaste. 

But Allah's rules are not unrealistic - so if an unmarried person has to fight his desires - then he has to do it. Allah is most forgiving, but the law would still state that even if there is zero availability for halal sex for extended periods, there will still be no relaxation or leeway to indulge in masturbation. We can and must blame the society for not making mutah easy, but the law will remain unchanged and would expect that unmarried people do not sin. 

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2 hours ago, Iqbal1214 said:

Show me the metjod to pray namaz? Where is in Qur'an that do 2 sajdah 1 ruku? Why you don't iffer 3 sajda? You are wrong buddy..Qur'an don't tells you directly everything.You have to listen to ahadees too..And Ahadees are sayings of Nabi SAWW..Who don't speek untill Allah says him to talk. Sorry for my bad english.

I think this discussion is actually derailing the subject of the original post. You are not the first to make that argument, but not all ahadith's is genuine. To me it still makes the most sense that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) put the things he was most concerned about in the Qur'an. Sujud was by the way nothing new at the time of the Prophet(صَلَّىٰ ٱللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ‎) The Jews, the Buddhists and the polytheists has been doing it for 1000's of years. I think it is though a very sincere way of worship that fully encompass the submission that is the essence of Islam. That is why it makes sense to me to pray in that way.

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