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Purpose of tawassul

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Can someone help me understand the concept of tawassul. The way I have been informed is not making sense to me.

I am told that since we are sinners Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) does not hear us directly. Instead we have to go through those chosen by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) as intermediaries. Since they are closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

my question then becomes are we not binding Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to his intermediaries? For instance, if I pray directly to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) he will not listen. However, if I ask with the waseelah of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام), Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) must (or increased probability to) listen. In this instance, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is bound by Imam Hussain (عليه السلام). Is Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) not above all boundaries?

Also, we say bismillah ir-rahman ir-raheem. Does this instance not make Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) more merciful than Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) as Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) will look beyond our sins and short comings but Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will not?

please advise

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Did you receive the Qur'an directly upon your heart or did Allah use the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as an intermediary between Him and you to get the Qur'an to you?

We are not binding g Allah to his intermediaries. Allah has bound us through his intermediaries.

 

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The concept of Tawassul and resorting to a means is adopted from the Qur'an. The clearest reference to Tawassul is mentioned in Sura al-Ma’ida where God clearly orders the faithful to benefit from the means in order to become close to God.

“O you who have faith! Be wary of Allah, and seek the means of recourse to Him, and wage jihad in His way, so that you may be felicitous.”

— The Qur'an, 5:35

The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imams are infallible and the source leading to the closeness / nearness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Also, in another verse, servants are required to hold fast, all together, to Allah’s cord. In this verse, according to Shia narrations, by “Allah’s cord”, the Ahl al-Bayt (a) of the Prophet (s) are meant.

“Hold fast, all together, to Allah’s cord, and do not be divided [into sects].”

— The Qur'an, 3:103.

  wasalam

Edited by Muslim2010

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Think of it this way. Lets say you want to get a job in a company. You jave two options: 1. Apply for it onlin 2. Ask your friend to refer you because he is close to hiring manager

Which one do you choose? In both ways you have chance of getting the job, but one way is faster and easier

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On 11/5/2019 at 9:33 AM, Muslim2010 said:

The concept of Tawassul and resorting to a means is adopted from the Qur'an. The clearest reference to Tawassul is mentioned in Sura al-Ma’ida where God clearly orders the faithful to benefit from the means in order to become close to God.

“O you who have faith! Be wary of Allah, and seek the means of recourse to Him, and wage jihad in His way, so that you may be felicitous.”

— The Qur'an, 5:35

The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imams are infallible and the source leading to the closeness / nearness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Also, in another verse, servants are required to hold fast, all together, to Allah’s cord. In this verse, according to Shia narrations, by “Allah’s cord”, the Ahl al-Bayt (a) of the Prophet (s) are meant.

“Hold fast, all together, to Allah’s cord, and do not be divided [into sects].”

— The Qur'an, 3:103.

  wasalam

So how does salah not qualify as a means to seek nearness to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). One could argue salah is a waseelah. How do you concoct that waseelah is only personalities? Also why would one choose one personality over the other?

I rarely see Shias use Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as a waseelah. If we are to use those closest to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), is Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) not the closest? Why use a lesser waseelah?

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1 hour ago, 786:) said:

rarely see Shias use Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as a waseelah.

Perhaps you rarely know anything about Shias. Not even the ahadith which says "kullona Muhammad" as well as "innahum minni wa ana minhum".

 

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Interesting. Salam.

 

Claim is Shias don't use tawwasul of rasul Allah but duaa tawwasul begins with him sawa in Dua Bala farj we have in 2nd part ya mubammadu ya aliu yaliu ya Muhammad

One of the slogans of Shia according to Imam Sadiq as is ya Muhammad

The most common wasilah is oh Allah Grant such and such by the rights of Muhammad sawa and his pure family

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, 786:) said:

So how does salah not qualify as a means to seek nearness to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). One could argue salah is a waseelah. How do you concoct that waseelah is only personalities? Also why would one choose one personality over the other?

I rarely see Shias use Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as a waseelah. If we are to use those closest to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), is Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) not the closest? Why use a lesser waseelah?

Waseelah is indeed quite broad, it is not only personalities and it is not only related to invocation/supplication. The mistake that is often made is that people seem to on one hand limit it's definition and application to personalities and invocations only, and at the same time within this narrow context extend waseelah beyond what has been taught (for example istighatha).

Going back to your original post, of course one can and must invoke Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). There are various supplications within the Holy Qur'an and also those taught by the ma'soomeen (عليه السلام). At the same time, there is also a basis and context for invoking Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for the sake of those loved dearly by Him.  I think brother @Sumerian has explained the topic quite well in his reply above. 

Wallahu a'lam 

Edited by Mahdavist

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Salam,

Everyone wants to be closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) so He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will give His Mercy us.  We need Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) all the times.

Tawassul is method that prepares the self to be closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

When we attach the self to a person or place (approved by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)), such Kaaba and Ahlul Bayt, then our feel of closeness to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) increases.  

When we make tawassul through the Prophet, our feel of closeness to Prophet is higher, and in return the feel of closeness to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is higher.

In Surah alFatiha...few ayats at the beginning talk about Greatness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  He mentioned that " Allah  alone is worshipped and asked for help".  Immediately after that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) ask us all of us to seek siratal mustaqim and He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) defined that siratal mustaqim as to be closer to those people that He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) blessed.  That siratal mustaqim is tawassul.

1. "In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful."
2. "(All) praise is (only) Allah's, the Lord of the Worlds."
3. "The Beneficent, The Merciful."
4. "Master of the Day of Judgement."
5. "Thee (alone) do we worship and of Thee (only) do we seek help."
6. "Guide us (O' Lord) on the Straight Path."
7. "The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed Thy bounties, not (the path) of those inflicted with Thy wrath, nor (of those) gone astray."

Sometimes a human being requires a situation to boost his closeness to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  When a person sees creation of Allahswt such as the sun, stars, mountains, animals...he/she feel greatness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  His closeness to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) increases. For some, being closer to Ahlul Bayt, the feeling of Greatness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is multiplying to a level that cannot be described.  So asking Prophet and Imams to intercede is a form of getting closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) at accelerate phase.

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9 hours ago, 786:) said:

So how does salah not qualify as a means to seek nearness to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). One could argue salah is a waseelah. How do you concoct that waseelah is only personalities? Also why would one choose one personality over the other?

I rarely see Shias use Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as a waseelah. If we are to use those closest to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), is Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) not the closest? Why use a lesser waseelah?

Anything that is Holy or a blessed creation can be used as a waseelah to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

The second question has nothing to do with the topic you started, you asked about why tawassul is permissible and you were given an answer.

Now you want to argue about what Shi'a do. 

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On 11/6/2019 at 10:07 AM, 786:) said:

I rarely see Shias use Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as a waseelah. If we are to use those closest to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), is Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) not the closest? Why use a lesser waseelah?

Every Shia knows that the biggest waseelah is "Allahumma Salle Ala Muhammad wa alay Muhammad."

Just a small hint

Edited by ShiaMan14

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