Question To Nationalist Indian Shias

[Qasim-Raza]

I'm curious to hear what all the nationalist Indian Shias have to say about this . https://www.bbc.com/news/world-Asia-India-48278441 

AND this  https://www.ncronline.org/news/world/indias-Christians-Muslims-face-higher-persecution-modi-government

And why Indian Shias support Modi ?  When its clear he has blood on this hands? few examples

 https://www.scmp.com/week-Asia/politics/article/2100513/modis-party-stokes-anti-Muslim-violence-India-report-says  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-kashmir-crisis-isnt-about-territory-its-about-a-Hindu-victory-over-Islam/2019/08/16/ab84ffe2-bf79-11e9-a5c6-1e74f7ec4a93_story.html

https://time.com/5617161/India-religious-hate-crimes-modi/

 

Why Indian Shias Support India when is clear there has been Violence and Persecution against Muslims in India ?

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims

 

Its Mindblowing to me that Indian Shia go out of Their way to Defend Modi and Indian when Its clear what Muslims go through in India they get killed raped for eating beef like literally just eating beef Muslims have no freedom at all in India but still  Shia Indians defend India and Modi its just Amazing I am extremely Curious to know why Shia Indians defend India ?

[Sirius_Bright]

Salaamun Alaik, 

With regards to Modi, I have only talked about Kashmir and Pakistan. As an Indian, I agree with what he has done in Kashmir (After 5th Aug'19 & Balakot). 

However, that doesn't mean I support him in everything. He harbors hatred against Muslims and could prove to be trouble in future. Most Muslims also didn't voted for him. As for lynching, Hindu right wings were involved and I would not deny any indirect connection to Modi, although he has criticized cow vigilantes. But lynching doesn't happen every day. It is motivated and pre-planned. And also Hindus have lynched/killed for petty things. It works both ways. Google Kamlesh Tiwari's murder. 

1 hour ago, Qasim-Raza said:

Its Mindblowing to me

So, please don't blow your mind. 

1 hour ago, Qasim-Raza said:

Indian Shia go out of Their way to Defend Modi

They defend the truth, not Modi. You defend wahabi government which supports terrorists organizations that bomb Shia juloos and Imambada.

1 hour ago, Qasim-Raza said:

they get killed raped for eating beef

 

1 hour ago, Qasim-Raza said:

Muslims have no freedom at all in India

This is laughable. Don't know where you bring all this from. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam from my viewpoint as a foreigner Indian Shias are seeing Modi as a barrier against radical Wahabists in India that have enough power to stop that radical wahabists that majority of them in India & Pakistan are under influence of hate preachers like as Zakir Naik that even Sunnis in Pakistan & India are under influence of his anti Shia rhetoric speeches that they advertise him & his speech in every Muslim forum as a great Muslim Speaker anyway at the end I see Modi as lesser evil against evil radical wahabists in India & Pakistan because Muslims have low chance to have a powerful person or lobby in Indian government that even they can do it so that lobby will be anti Shia in countries like as India.

[Mohammadi_follower]

@Sirius_Bright you support his policy in Kashmir ? So according to you there are no persecutions of Muslims in this province ?

[Sirius_Bright]

15 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

@Sirius_Bright you support his policy in Kashmir ?

I support revocation of Article 370.

15 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

So according to you there are no persecutions of Muslims in this province ?

Nothing much after 5th Aug'19. 

[Mohammadi_follower]

3 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

I support revocation of Article 370.

Nothing much after 5th Aug'19. 

And if I could ask do you think most Shia indians think the same ? Are there many Sunni indians also thinking like that ?

[Sirius_Bright]

Just now, Mohammadi_follower said:

And if I could ask do you think most Shia indians think the same ? Are there many Sunni indians also thinking like that ?

I believe so. Although some would disagree on shutdown for so many days. 

[Mohammadi_follower]

1 minute ago, Sirius_Bright said:

I believe so. Although some would disagree on shutdown for so many days. 

Ok I thought that most Shia and Sunni indians would be in favor of kashmiris to be honnest.

[Sirius_Bright]

9 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Ok I thought that most Shia and Sunni indians would be in favor of kashmiris to be honnest.

What is happening is better for common Kashmiris, bad for Kashmiri militants. 

[Mohammadi_follower]

14 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

What is happening is better for common Kashmiris, bad for Kashmiri militants. 

So you think most kashmiri Muslims (Sunni and also Shia) support modi actions in this region ?

[Sirius_Bright]

13 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

So you think most kashmiri Muslims (Sunni and also Shia) support modi actions in this region ?

What do you mean by Modi's action? 

[Hassu93]

India is a very unique country and people living abroad have no idea. 

 

The North the South the North East and the west are very different. They speak different languages and grow up in a completely different culture. We have 29 States and 22 different languages.

 

Though most speak Urdu there are Shias who speak Gujarati, Bihari etc. And I know Muslims who speak Malayalam, Tamil and other languages.

BJP strong hold is the North, Central and west India were they have promoted a major Hindu nationalism angle which helps them win elections because Hindus make up nearly 80% of Indian population.

 

Not all Shias support them but there are some popular Shia personalities like Yasoob Abbas ( a guy who bowed down to a Hindu God), Shia Wakf board and it's leader who also offered to give some gifts to Hindu Gods and temples and Khalbe Jawad a guy who comes from a Political background and keeps changing his stance.

 

Shias in South majority of North hate BJP to the core but BJP does enjoy some support in places like UP.

 

The fact that Shias support BJP or all Indians  Muslims are opressed is a false propoganda. I live in South and BJP has no control in my state. I eat Beef every week and there are hardly any communal tension.

 

 

 

 

[Hassu93]

6 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

So you think most kashmiri Muslims (Sunni and also Shia) support modi actions in this region ?

Jammu and Kashmir is into 3 parts Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir.

Jammu is a Hindu majority region, Kashmir is a Sunni majority region, Ladakh is a major Shia region (60% Shias, then Buddhist then Sunnis) and it's a pro India state. Shias in J&K mostly fear going separate because of major Wahabi and terror influence in that region.

[Hassu93]

I had similar interactions with Pakistani Shias last week in person. Who used to ask about state of Muslims in India.

I guess most are under influence of false propoganda by their own media.

 

Pakistan has opressed more Muslims and Shias than India has ever had. The whole Bangladesh mass murder and rape your country carried out or the bombings and killngs of Shias over the years or major terrorist organisation being based in your country.

[Mohammadi_follower]

13 minutes ago, Hassu93 said:

Jammu and Kashmir is into 3 parts Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir.

Jammu is a Hindu majority region, Kashmir is a Sunni majority region, Ladakh is a major Shia region (60% Shias, then Buddhist then Sunnis) and it's a pro India state. Shias in J&K mostly fear going separate because of major Wahabi and terror influence in that region.

Do most Sunni kashmiris are separatists ?

[Hassu93]

24 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Do most Sunni kashmiris are separatists ?

Yes Sunnis are separatist.

They have a valid reason to which I won't deny. Kashmir and its people have been massively mistreated by India for many years and the region has seen violence for decades now. 

Also the region has seen 3 major wars and 2 minor ones ( most started by Pakistan).

They also have a major Wahabi influence as you can see ISIS flags being hoisted there  multiple times (a simple Google search and you can see this ) also all these situation has led to many youths join militancy. 

 There are a few Shias in Kashmir who I know who do support Separation but there are also many who fear separating would lead to massive troubles for Shias.

Ladakh is a different scenario though. The region has 60% Shia population and mostly pro India

Edited October 28, 2019 by Hassu93

[Celtic Twilight]

It is extremely possible that Modi will commit genocide in occupied Khasmir.

Personally I would prefer an atheist to a Hindu. Hinduism is an extremely depraved and down right evil Religion on many levels.

[Celtic Twilight]

If the Khasimiri national liberation movement was really such a menace to the Shia than why is PressTV supporting it? PressTV generally is very thoughtful in it's approach to things.

[Abu_Zahra]

45 minutes ago, Celtic Twilight said:

If the Khasimiri national liberation movement was really such a menace to the Shia than why is PressTV supporting it? PressTV generally is very thoughtful in it's approach to things.

Shia interests and Iranian political interests are not always one and the same. Any Afghan Shia will be able to confirm this for you.

Wallahu a'lam 

[Hassu93]

16 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

 

 

[Hassu93]

Kashmiri Shias have a major Irani influence. The accept WF and Morteza Motahhari is is the most respected Shia cleric and his books are widely studied there.

[Mohammadi_follower]

11 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

Shia interests and Iranian political interests are not always one and the same. Any Afghan Shia will be able to confirm this for you.

Wallahu a'lam 

Could you more elaborate what do you mean ?

[Mohammadi_follower]

31 minutes ago, Hassu93 said:

Kashmiri Shias have a major Irani influence. The accept WF and Morteza Motahhari is is the most respected Shia cleric and his books are widely studied there.

What do you think about Ayatollah Khamenei attitude toward Kashmir ?

[Abu_Zahra]

27 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Could you more elaborate what do you mean ?

What I mean is that like any other country, Iran has certain social, political and economic interests to defend and these are not always related to religion. 

Some people seem to have this unrealistic expectation that all these policies have to be in the interest of Muslims in general and Shia Muslims more specifically. Iran has never made such a claim and therefore to attribute it to them or expect it from them is not reasonable. 

Wallahu a'lam 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

2 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

What I mean is that like any other country, Iran has certain social, political and economic interests to defend and these are not always related to religion.

I think Iran could be more active about this issue also some groups are criticized authorities for their slow & weak factions about Kashmir issue but first important matter is not making new enemies for Iran when after Imran khan election the Pakistan relationship with Iran highly improved but has a long way to its best time like as before Iran revolution & in other hand we have to keep open our economic connection with India & China for bypassing American sanctions because our connection with Iraq still needs more improvement specially in current days that it’s treating with some anti Iranian groups from inside of Iraq that call themselves as protesters against Iran influence on Iraq & seek good connection with KSA but through India & China we don’t have this problem that despite all sanctions against Iran ,America is blind eye about Iran-India trade .

Edited October 29, 2019 by Ashvazdanghe

[Hassu93]

3 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

What do you think about Ayatollah Khamenei attitude toward Kashmir ?

The first time he publicly talked about the issue was when Netenhayu visited India. I do get it was politically motivated. I still respect him though.

 

But again I support Kashmiris in their current situation they have been locked down and their source of income has been shut. My sister's friend hasn't spoken to her family in nearly 70 days and any attention is better. But liberation from India will be bad for Shias.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Hassu93

[Mohammadi_follower]

11 minutes ago, Hassu93 said:

The first time he publicly talked about the issue was when Netenhayu visited India. I do get it was politically motivated. I still respect him though.

 

But again I support Kashmiris in their current situation they have been locked down and their source of income has been shut. My sister's friend hasn't spoken to her family in nearly 70 days and any attention is better. But liberation from India will be bad for Shias.

I don’t have so much information about it. Majority of separatist groups are hostile toward Shias ?

[The Green Knight]

I think its simply a bad idea calling out Indian Muslims over such issues involving Hindus especially now that the notorious mass murderer Modi is in power. These brothers often get beaten to death for something silly like if suspected of having eaten cow meat, cow being a Hindu deity. And how their males are deliberately deprived of higher education while their women are unhindered to force them to mix with other religions (all except the pro terror deobandi cult which is local and patriotic to India). I used to expect Indian Muslims to be upright but after awareness of what goes on with them I just silently understand and not bother.

 

[Hassu93]

1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I don’t have so much information about it. Majority of separatist groups are hostile toward Shias ?

Noop but Kashmir has a strong Wahhabi base and a lot of their youth take up militancy. There have been ISIS flags shown by people multiple times.

Thus a general fear that Shias have that if they go Separate they'll have to face a bigger threat in form of Wahhabism.

[Sirius_Bright]

Kashmir will be like another Taliban controlled Afghanistan if it is separated from India. There have already been a major militancy movement in 1990 when these people tried to establish 'Islamic State'. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

[Sirius_Bright]