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Salam, as you all may know there is currently a second wave of anti gov protests going on in Iraq that is also being suppressed by Pro-Iranian militias and Iraqi authorities, people are being ran over by vehicles and murdered in gruesome manner and also journalists and activists are being kidnapped and gone missing plus many other anti humanitarian activities. 

Theres no doubt that Iraqi gov is probably the most corrupted in the world, and  I talk to you as an Iraqi who have lived there and seen how bad things are how people are having no basic services like water and electricity not to mention billion other corrupted acts and all of this in a country which can make Iraqis live like kings  but instead this is what we get. 

Now to get to what is relevant, theres no doubt that Iran has huge influence in Iraq, some if not many  political parties and  militias in Iraq are associated with Iran and these parties are currently part of the Iraqi gov, so if these political Iraqi leaders and bloodthirsty militias are supported by Iran and Sayed Khamanaei is in charge of Iran, doesn’t that mean that he is also corrupted?! Or else why wont Iran do something if the militias its supporting are doing this??! 

Why these protests are not being supporter by many ulama or at least are not given as much light as the Bahraini protests were given for example? 

you know that during arba’een, some Pro iranian political organization were doing an exhibit to honor the martyrs of Bahrain which the representative of Sayed Khamenei attended while it had been just days since the slaughter of lots of Iraqi people, are we not Shias too? Are we not Muslims?  Are we not humans?  

im utterly confused because either sayed khamanaei don’t know about what is going on which is unlikely or he doesnt have full control over Iran , but if he is corrupted then that means all the ulama who support him are corrupt too, isnt that the logical implication?! 

and before u tell me theres agendas behind these protests I tell u this , does that justify killing unarmed civilians? Does that justify sniping them, kidnapping them? Iraqi people are living [Edited Out]ty lives they are out because they had no quality of life since long time from war to war from sectarian violence to car bombs to Isis which I think the Iraqi gov had a hand in isis and even car bombs. 

what is ur take on this? Thanks

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.ln Western media reporting, the protesters are chanting anti-lRl slogans.

Now to this:

2 hours ago, SajjadKhil said:

Now to get to what is relevant, theres no doubt that Iran has huge influence in Iraq, some if not many  political parties and  militias in Iraq are associated with Iran and these parties are currently part of the Iraqi gov, so if these political Iraqi leaders and bloodthirsty militias are supported by Iran and Sayed Khamanaei is in charge of Iran, doesn’t that mean that he is also corrupted?! Or else why wont Iran do something if the militias its supporting are doing this??! 

Influence and influence operations are different than any semblance of control.

From what l have read, lran doesn't want to see any violence in lraq.

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@SajjadKhil

One must remember that geopolitics has no religion.

Supporting one revolution and not the other simply boils down to interests and simple geopolitics. 

The corrupt 'Islamic' parties in Iraq have nothing to do with religion.

Every power exerting their influence in Iraq is implicated and bares responsibility for the dire situation, corruption, theft of resources and the blood of the innocent who have nothing but their dignity left to protest with. 

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8 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

@SajjadKhil

One must remember that geopolitics has no religion.

Supporting one revolution and not the other simply boils down to interests and simple geopolitics. 

The corrupt 'Islamic' parties in Iraq have nothing to do with religion.

Every power exerting their influence in Iraq is implicated and bares responsibility for the dire situation, corruption, theft of resources and the blood of the innocent who ve nothing but their dignity left protest with. 

If geopolitics means getting dirty then Iran has one then that means the head of Iran who is the supreme  leader is involving himself in something that involves getting dirty. 
 

the question is not wether they are Islamic or not its that the supporter is Iranian gov which considers itself as righteous and the true representation of Shia rule in the age of Ghayba of Imam AS .

Iran is influential and is supporting those parties  and those parties are corrupt so in that case what does that mean?! 
 

Doesnt all this lead to the conviction that Khamanaei is corrupt as well?! 

Is there any other theory? 

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@SajjadKhil

Three points if I may, 

I would suggest toning down the rhetoric when mentioning specific personalities. That way one can have open dialogue without tempers flaring. Many people see him as their leader and would take offence to linking him directly with corruption. 

The other important point is that only the Imam (AJF) is the true representation of Islam and only he (AJF) has the ability to rule in the context of true Islam.

During his Ghabya, we can try to represent and even with our best intentions, we make mistakes because we're not infallible. 

Finally, I worry that delving into this topic at this specific time will feed into the Fitna that's already brewing all around us. I believe if one understands the basic principles of geopolitics and has some background in the history of the region, one can have their own informed opinion without the need to get into contentious debates where neither side will back down. 

 

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1 hour ago, SajjadKhil said:

If geopolitics means getting dirty then Iran has one then that means the head of Iran who is the supreme  leader is involving himself in something that involves getting dirty. 
 

the question is not wether they are Islamic or not its that the supporter is Iranian gov which considers itself as righteous and the true representation of Shia rule in the age of Ghayba of Imam AS .

Iran is influential and is supporting those parties  and those parties are corrupt so in that case what does that mean?! 
 

Doesnt all this lead to the conviction that Khamanaei is corrupt as well?! 

Is there any other theory? 

Iran is a country that's doing what every country will do in its own interests, all the fancy rhetoric about the Mahdi and how it is destined to be some special nation that will hand power over to the Mahdi is one for which there is no evidence. I can't speak for Khamenei himself, but I can say without a doubt Iran's foreign policies are not altruistic and about preserving anything other than its own position in the region and shoring up its own security. 

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12 hours ago, SajjadKhil said:

Why these protests are not being supporter by many ulama or at least are not given as much light as the Bahraini protests were given for example?

Salam because they know except humanitarian & anti corruption slogans rest of intention of such demonstrations is destabilizing Iraq for second wave of ISIS coming to Iraq by support of KSA & Israel & America 

 

12 hours ago, SajjadKhil said:

you know that during arba’een, some Pro iranian political organization were doing an exhibit to honor the martyrs of Bahrain which the representative of Sayed Khamenei attended while it had been just days since the slaughter of lots of Iraqi people, are we not Shias too? Are we not Muslims?  Are we not humans?  

Bahrain people are fighting with anti Shia monarch that installed by British Colonial force that currently supports Israel & Bahrain was a part of Iran that taken by force from Iran by force of Britain & America and still some of them are asking for returning Bahrain to Iran that even anti Iranian regime groups are supporting it although they hate current regime but both Iranians outside & inside of Iran & some Bahrainians are supporting this idea .

some also honored  Iraqi martyrs too 

گزارش تصویری/ خدمت عاشقانه به زوار اربعین (2)

 

گزارش تصویری/ خدمت عاشقانه به زوار اربعین (2)
 
12 hours ago, SajjadKhil said:

im utterly confused because either sayed khamanaei don’t know about what is going on which is unlikely or he doesnt have full control over Iran , but if he is corrupted then that means all the ulama who support him are corrupt too, isnt that the logical implication?! 
 

he is completly aware from situation but in reality when he orders something against corruption , majority of authorities are postponing his orders because majority of them are involved in corruption but recently after installing ayt Raisi as head of Judiciary office he strated a heavy war with corruption in Iran that at beginning he started fighting from his office & punishment of corrupt judges .

12 hours ago, SajjadKhil said:

and before u tell me theres agendas behind these protests I tell u this , does that justify killing unarmed civilians? Does that justify sniping them, kidnapping them? Iraqi people are living [Edited Out]ty lives they are out because they had no quality of life since long time from war to war from sectarian violence to car bombs to Isis which I think the Iraqi gov had a hand in isis and even car bombs.

it's all activity of KSA & Israel that with recent attacks to Hashd Shabi & other similar groups they showed their real face .

7 hours ago, SajjadKhil said:

the question is not wether they are Islamic or not its that the supporter is Iranian gov which considers itself as righteous and the true representation of Shia rule in the age of Ghayba of Imam AS .

Iran is influential and is supporting those parties  and those parties are corrupt so in that case what does that mean?! 

it's completely Islamic , if you read Shia Hadiths  about Imam Mahdi (aj) reappearance generally Khorasan (Iran) & Ajams by both Shias & Sunni hadiths & specifically Qom & Taliqan (around Tehran) introduced as loyal army & followers of Imam Mahdi (aj) but in other hand Iraq , specially Kufa will suffer from invasion of Sufyani (la) that even after fall of him some groups from Kufa will rise against Imam Mahdi (aj) before his entering to Kufa that all of it well recorded in Shia narrations.

 

7 hours ago, SajjadKhil said:

Doesnt all this lead to the conviction that Khamanaei is corrupt as well?! 

we can same thing about grand Ayatollah Sisitani like as some Baathis & Isis fans in Iraq are accusing him to taking bribe from Americans to let them overthrown Saddam that nowadays all Baathis & ISIS fans in Iraq are behind anti Iran Slogans in name of fighting with [edited out] & Iranians & their pro militants.

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235064127-Iraq-protests/?tab=comments#comment-3244985

 

Qom Friday Prayer Leader:‎

Enemies can’t use chaos of Iraq, Lebanon to wipe out Islamic Resistance

https://en.abna24.com/news//enemies-can’t-use-chaos-of-Iraq-Lebanon-to-wipe-out-Islamic-resistance_984582.html

October 26, 2019 - 5:59 PM News Code : 984582 Source : RasaLink: 

 

Karbala Friday prayer leader calls on protesters to avoid vandalism, violence

https://en.abna24.com/news//Karbala-friday-prayer-leader-calls-on-protesters-to-avoid-vandalism-violence_984591.html

October 26, 2019 - 6:29 PM News Code : 984591 Source : RasaLink: 

Enemies can’t use chaos of Iraq, Lebanon to wipe out Islamic Resistance

 

Ayatollah Arafi said that the enemies can’t use the current chaos in Iraq and Lebanon to wipe ‎out the Islamic Resistance and said, “The Islamic Resistance and discourse of the Islamic ‎Revolution will continue in its proud way.”‎

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): 
In his Friday prayer sermon to a large and fervent crowd of believers at Qom’s ‎Qods ‎‎‎‎‎‎‎Prayer Hall, Ayatollah Alireza Arafi referred to the magnificent commemoration of the Arba’in ‎al-Husayn pilgrimage and added, “Everyone who strove to revive the magnificent religious ‎and divine epic of Arba’in must be thanked. We also thank the people of Qom, which had ‎the largest number of pilgrims from any province in Iran and who welcomed thousands of ‎people from countries around the world. We must thank the dear Iraqi people for their good ‎reception and preparation of such an epic pilgrimage.”‎


In another part of his speech, the jurisprudent member of the Guardian Council referred to ‎the recent developments in Iraq and Lebanon, “The government and officials in Iraq and ‎Lebanon must address the problems of the people and meet their needs, eliminate ‎corruption in the administrative, political and judicial institutions and heed the advice of the ‎sources of emulation and Hezbollah.”‎

Ayatollah Arafi added, “Governments must respect people’s opinions, but people must also ‎know that the enemies have been wounded by the Islamic Revolutionary Front and are ‎trying to harm the discourse of the Islamic Revolution, the Islamic Resistance and the ‎resistance-oriented countries and therefore, the people must be vigilant. We also saw this ‎during the sedition of 2009 and the foreign agents, the United States, Israel and their ‎stooges are seen in such incidents and the people must be vigilant.” ‎

His Eminence said, “The enemies must know that they can’t take this from uneducated ‎people and can’t use these chaos to wipe out the resistance and they must know that the ‎Islamic ummah and all those who they have harmed over the past several centuries have ‎stood against them. With these moves they can’t conquer the Islamic Ummah and the ‎Islamic Resistance and the Islamic Resistance and the discourse of the Islamic Revolution will ‎continue in its proud way.”‎

The head of the Islamic Seminaries of Iran pointed to Passive Defence Week, “The ‎preparation of all apparatuses and departments for the difficult conditions of passive ‎defence is a public duty and everyone must give attention to it because in a passive ‎defensive war, the least damage is imposed on society and everyone must give attention the ‎principles of this defence.”‎

 

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