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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Official Thread]

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It was only a matter of time wasn't it, before she got her own thread.

Anyway let's kick off with her take down of Zuckerberg. Her bit starts at 5.20, it's five minutes long. I can't get the clipping thing to work.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?465293-1/facebook-founder-mark-zuckerberg-testifies-house-financial-services-committee

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4 hours ago, Guest Wishing Upon A Star said:

That was Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley.

Sorry I got the time wrong, it should be the section starting at 5.10.

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On 10/24/2019 at 2:48 AM, Guest Wishing Upon A Star said:

That was Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley.

Thread should be called the PROGRESSIVES.

Or in America, they refer to her as one of the crew.

I believe people refer to them as The Squad. But they are cool and I like their ideas.

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1 hour ago, notme said:

This is the first I'm seeing this thread. Ms Occasio-Cortez might be the most intelligent person in the US government right now. 

:hahaha:"Then God help US."

She is such a 'piII' that l can't take much of her. l'm sorry l watched the video. :fever:

Nevertheless, thanks for the relief-laugh medicine, Notme.

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A lot of progressives are disappointed with her starting to toe the party line, but I still have hope for her..

The Democratic party is not progressive, it's conservative. In the United States, the two major political parties are conservative and ultra-conservative. 

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42 minutes ago, MexicanVato said:

Yuck muslims sympathetic to baby killing, trans promoting socialists. What a sad state of affairs. All because they say nice things on camera.

Occasio-Cortez is no socialist. She's a Democrat. 

But socialism is closer to an Islamic economy than capitalism is. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

Occasio-Cortez is no socialist. She's a Democrat. 

But socialism is closer to an Islamic economy than capitalism is. 

She is a Democratic Socialists. There is no covering it up. Just like BLM is a Marxist movement. 

I am not sure if its correct to say Socialism is closer to an Islamic economy. Original capitalism was based on voluntary exchange. Meaning if you want to exchange money for a product from me, that is a voluntary exchange. Usury without a doubt is forbidden by Islam, so I will not defend that. With that said we have seen how well Socialism works and the tyranny that arises from that. 

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53 minutes ago, MexicanVato said:

With that said we have seen how well Socialism works and the tyranny that arises from that. 

Socialism can't work under an authoritarian government. It can't remain socialist when there are "elites" and power always corrupts. 

Though China has done ok. 

The Soviet Union had an authoritarian government. When there is democracy, when power is distributed among as many people as possible, when the society functions according to The Golden Rule, I think it could work really well. 

As far as I know, it has never happened before. Historically communism has only functioned well in small communities. 

 

AOC might be a card carrying member of DSA, but in Congress she functions as a member of the Democratic Party. DSA is not a political party. We don't have a socialist party in the United States. 

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58 minutes ago, notme said:

Socialism can't work under an authoritarian government. It can't remain socialist when there are "elites" and power always corrupts. 

Though China has done ok. 

The Soviet Union had an authoritarian government. When there is democracy, when power is distributed among as many people as possible, when the society functions according to The Golden Rule, I think it could work really well. 

As far as I know, it has never happened before. Historically communism has only functioned well in small communities. 

 

AOC might be a card carrying member of DSA, but in Congress she functions as a member of the Democratic Party. DSA is not a political party. We don't have a socialist party in the United States.

Socialism creates authoritarianism. There has to be a might or force that takes money from the rich. A lot of uninformed Socialists think that socialism is simply taxing the rich. Nah, everyone gets swallowed up in it.

China is a State Capitalist country. 

Socialism is the initial stage. The ultimate go is a stateless society, ie. Communism. 

Mao enforced a Communist government. Maoism stems from jumping the gun and going straight to Communism. 

Soviet Union was indeed Socialists as was Nazi Germany, aka the Nationalist Socialist Party. 

One may say AOC is caving on her socialists views (yea because now she has government money). But this is what happens with Socialism. It is supposed to be all about equality, pink bunnies and flowers, but what happens is there ends up once again being an 'elite' team (sort of like the 'squad'). That is why Maduro is well fed, but his socialists Venezuela starves. The elite eat off the backs of the socialists that put them in power. 

Below is a interesting video by a brother that gives the isnad of the left. 

 

 

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It's not so much about how you describe yourself, rather it's about the policies you want to implement.

Free education, free healthcare, social housing, child benefits, maternal leave, are all quite standard in northern and western europe regardless of whether the left, right, centrists or a coalition is in power.

However nothing comes for free. If you want to have these benefits be prepared to pay for them. Large American mansions and driveways full of cars are out of the equation. 

 

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These American progressives are the worst for this country. They are the equivalent of the Iranian rioters who are anti-religion.

These people promote sexual immortality and the destruction of the family system.

 

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2 hours ago, Guest No AOC said:

These American progressives are the worst for this country.

I think it's reasonable to support them where their values coincide with ours and to criticise when they don't.

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13 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

I think it's reasonable to support them where their values coincide with ours and to criticise when they don't.

I don't see them any different to any other political wing. There are points where we agree with the far right, are you willing to use the same standard there? 

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1 hour ago, Mahdavist said:

I don't see them any different to any other political wing. There are points where we agree with the far right, are you willing to use the same standard there? 

You should.  

I can't think of any points where I agree with the fascists, but you should agree where you agree and disagree where you disagree, not shape your values to a party line.  

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17 hours ago, Guest No AOC said:

the destruction of the family system.

This "destruction of the family" is a right wing lie. Nuclear family is not synonymous with family.  Nuclear family is the destruction of families and communities for the purpose of capitalist gain.  As muslims,  we should support family and community,  not "nuclear family" as a mandatory ideal.  

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The Squad (i.e. Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ayanna Pressley) were "progressive" for about a year...before being debriefed behind closed doors by "men in dark suits" (Vladimir Putin quote)…same with Bernie Sanders...liberals and conservatives are one and the same political party except for the window dressing...they'll never sincerely push for universalized healthcare (UHC) or student debt forgiveness...simply a series of broken promises during election season..."conservative" and "liberal" hawkish/war-related foreign policy is identical...EXPOSED: "Progressives" Prefer War In Ukraine Over Diplomacy (Richard Medhurst) 27 min

 

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Aaron Maté and Kurt Metzger filling in for Jimmy Dore...Ilhan Omar Heckled Over Pro-War Stance in Ukraine / Jimmy Dore (13 min)…if you believe the hype/rhetoric, "Progressives" were supposed to be the principled antiwar party...they were believed to uphold union rights, minority rights, disability rights, labor laws etc...they (democrats/liberals/progressives) were blaring loud proponents of free discourse and criticized republicans of being pro-censorship during the 70's, 80's, 90's etc....now the republican party has morphed into a fascist organization through and through...liberals obsesses over tokenism, symbolism etc. and no real substance exists and they cover for Israel under the guise of wanting to outlaw "hate speech" 

 

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On 11/5/2022 at 11:13 AM, Mahdavist said:

There are points where we agree with the far right, are you willing to use the same standard there?

Yes, I am comfortable with agreeing with some of the policies of the Governor of Florida, who I affectionately call De'ath Sentence.

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Peace Activists Heckle Obama Over War Mongering/Nuclear Apocalypse...Leftists/liberals/progressives/democrats being exposed one by one and dropping like dominoes...Jimmy Dore (16 min)

 

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^^^The Obama administration dropped ten more times the bombs in their so-called "war on terror" than did their predecessor (i.e. The Bush Administration)…Obama wholeheartedly welcomed the US drone initiative and oversaw more strikes in his first year then George W. Bush did during his entire presidential tenure...he (Obama) championed gay marriage and LGBTQIA rights and completely failed the black liberation struggle...Minister Louis Farrakhan Asks, "Is Barack Obama The First Openly Gay American President?" (6 min)

 

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INTENSE!!! Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) Vehemently Reprimanded By Peace Advocates "You Sent Weapons To Ukraine" / Richard Medhurst (11 min)

 

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5 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Ilhan Omar's Trans Dance Party Celebration 

You'll need to post selected screen grabs to make the point. The video has music etc.

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"You Belong In The Depths of Hell" Pelosi Confronted by Peace Advocates Over War Funding / Jimmy Dore (8 min.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eb8OiUBD-I

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'Bernie And The Squad Are A Disgrace On Gaza' Norman Finkelstein on the Jimmy Dore Show (9 min.)

 

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