What do you think of flat earthers?

[shadow_of_light 1,596]

I personally believe that the Earth is a globe...but what do you think of them? It seems that some of them are scientists. 

Edited October 23 by shadow_of_light

[notme 18,717]

It's a cult. 

I can't imagine that they actually believe their nonsense, so it must be code for something.

The Flat Earth Movement was founded by a white supremacist neo-Nazi. 

One can not be Muslim and a Flat Earth Cultist. 

[The Green Knight 7,309]

Flat-earthers are a clever movement reanimated and backed by the American establishment. It exists basically as a strawman to be used against all who criticized NASA's Apollo missions and do not believe about them. So that anyone who does not conform exactly with the official stories and comply with its programs is auto dubbed a flat earther and tossed aside in dismay.

To submit your mind and never thinking outside the tiny box aired over CNN is very dangerous attitude. I spent time analyzing flat earther claims and found them lacking and therefore untrue. However that does not mean that "scientists" / officials and their stories are the truth, either, granted planet Earth is a globe.

I have spent so many hours analyzing space travel and related stuff that I can confidently say I know very few amateur individuals internationally who have more knowledge on the subject than myself. I personally know certain celebrity inventor individuals in the process of designing a radiation shield which uses radio waves bursts for manned space travel so we can leave low Earth orbit without letting the van allen belts fry us up. These people are also the inventors of UFO style anti-gravity technology to lift heavy objects "magically" and implementing it on a kind of vehicle is also in the pipeline.

[Celtic Twilight 65]

3 hours ago, notme said:

It's a cult. 

I can't imagine that they actually believe their nonsense, so it must be code for something.

The Flat Earth Movement was founded by a white supremacist neo-Nazi. 

One can not be Muslim and a Flat Earth Cultist. 

Really? Do you have a link?

[ireallywannaknow 2,067]

I don't understand the claim of the sun shining like a flashlight, amongst other claims. It is just not logical in so many ways. 

[Ali~J 719]

5 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

I personally believe that the Earth is a globe...but what do you think of them? It seems that some of them are scientists. 

It just literally goes against basic logic and understanding. 

@hasanhh Another one for the "poor jokes thread" 

[Celtic Twilight 65]

It is a product of people losing trust in all established authorities.

[notme 18,717]

1 hour ago, Celtic Twilight said:

Really? Do you have a link?

I don't have a link readily available, but I may have gotten this information from Wikipedia. I'll take a quick look around for it again. 

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed 5,853]

5 hours ago, notme said:

It's a cult. 

I can't imagine that they actually believe their nonsense, so it must be code for something.

The Flat Earth Movement was founded by a white supremacist neo-Nazi. 

One can not be Muslim and a Flat Earth Cultist. 

[hasanhh 7,435]

Ayat 53:61  for example. Another wacko idea for its entertainment 'value'.

[Reza 10,459]

8 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

but what do you think of them?

I don’t.

[AmirioTheMuzzy 395]

6 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

I spent time analyzing flat earther claims and found them lacking and therefore untrue

Bruh, that's so unnecessary... it simply goes against observable reality. Their claims are “flat” out wrong... not 'lacking'.

[Logic1234 227]

"The map above shows what a “Globe” of the Earth would look like if the Earth was flat."

What is on the back side of this globe? It seems to me that depth of Earth is very little as compared to its diameter 

[Celtic Twilight 65]

9 hours ago, notme said:

I don't have a link readily available, but I may have gotten this information from Wikipedia. I'll take a quick look around for it again. 

It goes back to the United States in the 19 th century, I suppose the vast majority of "White" people than and there were "White Supremacists" but I do not think that the people who started it were worse in this area than others. A lot of "rappers" apparently believe the theory as well. A lot of it's popularity now among certain sections of Western societies I suspect might come from people abusing drugs such as LSD, DMT and cannabis. Such abuse I think has had much more sociological effects than people realize.

[Mohammed-Mehdi 723]

A biology teacher in my past said he believed in this. He also claimed he was a Christian, and it was a Christian school. He also brought up the Flat Earth Society.

He brought up some interesting points/explanations etc. at the time.

However, Islam says and proves that the Earth is not flat like they claim.

Furthermore, I don't always get what would be the difference. Yes, I understand it would have major impact in certain fields etc, but for our day to day lives, what would it change? Nothing, we, or the people, just continue whatever they were doing.

[Mohammed-Mehdi 723]

https://www.al-Islam.org/philosophy-Islamic-laws-nasir-makarim-shirazi-jafar-subhani/question-36-Earth-being-spherical-and

Question 36: The Earth Being Spherical And The Holy Qur’an

Question: Is there evidence in the Holy Qur’an and traditions regarding the Earth being spherical?

Answer: Of the indications present in Qur’an regarding these mysteries is that the Earth is spherical. And this can be surmised from the following verses:

(see links for full pages)

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https://www.al-Islam.org/philosophy-Islamic-laws-nasir-makarim-shirazi-jafar-subhani/question-37-rotation-Earth

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The Sixth Imam, Ja’far Ibn Muhammad As-Sadiq (عليه السلام)

 

In one such discourses when he was only 11 years old, when he entered a class room where pupils were discussing on the subject of astronomy, he pointed out to the surprise of everyone except his own father, that the Earth cannot be flat, because of the way the sun rises in the East and sets in the west and day and night change in 24 hours, it cannot be possible.

In his opinion the Earth must be round, otherwise this would not have happened in such a precise manner. All the students were astonished but his father smiled and said nothing.

The above story was mentioned in a book compiled by Five French scholars at Strasbourg in France with the title, “The heart of the Shia Scholarship.” The book has been translated in Persian and Urdu and it is now being translated in English with possible references.

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https://Ahlul Bayt.tv/blog/Imam-al-Sadiq-as-and-rotation-of-the-Earth-around-the-sun/

[Moalfas 447]

Where's the cruvature? lol 

[hasanhh 7,435]

1 hour ago, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

/www.al-Islam.org/philosophy-Islamic-laws-nasir-makarim-shirazi-jafar-subhani/question-36-Earth-being-spherical-and

Question 36: The Earth Being Spherical And The Holy Qur’an

Reading this so-called exposition, one way there can be only one East and one West is if the Earth was shaped like a bar.

If shaped like a rectangular plate or circular/oval disc, it is the same result as if it is a sphere because East-West lines are local-to-Latitude. and geographic demarcations are not a Quranic concern. ln Qur'an, the Easts-Wests are for Man, the Unseen and (astronomical) Heaven, and Heaven itself.

ADDED: the word analemma

 

Edited October 24 by hasanhh
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[The Green Knight 7,309]

9 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

Bruh, that's so unnecessary... it simply goes against observable reality. Their claims are “flat” out wrong... not 'lacking'.

Sure but I like to observe things for myself. I give every thing a chance. I have an old satellite dish pointing to the sky. I know how parabolic dish antennas work. I can see satellites in the night sky, being in rural area. I bring the whole thing before flat earthers and they just shoot themselves in the foot and say that its local RF but that is not how the thing works. I know because its tedious task manually pointing it correctly at the satellite in the sky while keeping the LNB at the focal point of the dish to receive acceptable signal quality.

Edited October 24 by Darth Vader

[notme 18,717]

3 hours ago, Celtic Twilight said:

It goes back to the United States in the 19 th century

It had completely died out as an organized belief system until it was resurrected in 2004. I can't find the articles that I had read some years ago, but if I remember correctly the man who started the new flat Earth movement had previously been active in white supremacy organizing. 

[313 Seeker 499]

On 10/23/2019 at 7:05 PM, notme said:

One can not be Muslim and a Flat Earth Cultist.

The usual takfir . Amazing that people here let this slide 

[notme 18,717]

6 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

The usual takfir . Amazing that people here let this slide 

One cannot have two religions. 

[notme 18,717]

14 hours ago, Moalfas said:

Where's the cruvature? lol 

Look at the electricity transmission towers at Lake Pontchartrain.

Also, if you've ever seen an eclipse or watched a boat on a smooth large body of water it is visible. 

[hasanhh 7,435]

@notme  l can't remember if this is the bridge l read about ~50years ago or not, but you will like this:

https://www.mathscinotes.com/2017/01/effect-of-earths-curvature-on-suspension-bridge-dimensions/ 

[Jaabir 454]

I don't understand why the people who argued in favour of the Earth's spherical shape would lie about it in the first place. What do they have to gain by everyone believing it's not flat? It's not like they woke up one day and decided to play a joke on the entire world by announcing the world is not flat. This isn't one of your "9/11 was an inside job" kind of conspiracies lol.

[313 Seeker 499]

24 minutes ago, Jaabir said:

I don't understand why the people who argued in favour of the Earth's spherical shape would lie about it in the first place. What do they have to gain by everyone believing it's not flat? It's not like they woke up one day and decided to play a joke on the entire world by announcing the world is not flat. This isn't one of your "9/11 was an inside job" kind of conspiracies lol.

It is much bigger than 9 11 conspiracy. It is to discredit the bible, Qur'an, and pretty much every other world religious book, which all contradict the Earth being a ball floating in a space full of other balls .. good question though 

[The Green Knight 7,309]

2 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

It is to discredit the bible, Qur'an

prove it plx

[313 Seeker 499]

4 minutes ago, Darth Vader said:

prove it plx

Just casually:

Earth is always described rather flat with terms like "farasha", which means spread. Earth is described as stable with mountains as stabilizers. Never once is Earth described to be floating, the way thr heavenly bodies such as the sun and moon are described. 

There are other proofs that work for me, but keep in mind that wether true or wrong, proofs only can be seen by some. Just like most people don't believe in the Qur'an to be from God to start with.

[313 Seeker 499]

@Darth Vader I found this thread where I was still into proving this in more detail

You will see that according to those hadiths - if they are right - @notme (and those who support her takfir fatwa) would consider the Prophet as a non-Muslim. He refers to the shape of the Earth as a ring supposedly, after going on the night journey.

I hope that discussing this wont freak everybody out too much, because it seem ok with mods and admins here (the active ones) to open threads discussing the existence of God, but it is not ok to discuss flat Earth or the holocaust. 

Edited October 25 by 313 Seeker

[notme 18,717]

3 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

You will see that according to those hadiths -they are right - @notme would consider the Prophet as a non-Muslim. 

Do not spread lies. 

[313 Seeker 499]

1 minute ago, notme said:

Do not spread lies. 

Lies? Didn't you make a fatwa that anybody who is a flat earther can not be Muslim? 

[notme 18,717]

8 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Lies? Didn't you make a fatwa that anybody who is a flat earther can not be Muslim? 

No. As the OP requested, I stated what I thought. As I see it, one cannot have two religions. Is it necessary for you to use such extreme language when disagreeing? Is everyone other than you who states an opinion "issuing a fatwa" or do you imagine that I, uniquely, am a religious authority? 

[313 Seeker 499]

Hey @notme if this hadith from al Kafi is right, then you did takfir against the Prophet lol 

Quote

he said: ‘This Earth with what is upon it, compared to that which is below it, is like a ring thrown in the desert,

See the references in the Islamic cosmology thread

I am awaiting to hear on what basis a person who thinks the Earth of a certain shape can not be Muslim. Please answer me that. Is the shahada about one God, Mohammed being a Prophet, and thinking thr Earth is a ball? Who told you that and whose authority are you allowed to spread this?

[The Green Knight 7,309]

24 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Earth is always described rather flat with terms like "farasha", which means spread. Earth is described as stable with mountains as stabilizers. Never once is Earth described to be floating, the way thr heavenly bodies such as the sun and moon are described. 

Wrong. Baseless statement.

79:30 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

It is round, not flat.

[313 Seeker 499]

On 10/23/2019 at 7:05 PM, notme said:

One can not be Muslim and a Flat Earth Cultist. 

Where is the "I think that .." .. this sounds like a statement of takfir, reminiscent of ISIS mentality. Very offensive and dangerous to say the least. Especially as a "mod",  and even having and "admin" supporting your post, you better be careful about making such statements. You might actually make people believe you have authority and knowledge about what you claim to say.