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Salam alaykoum,

So the thing is, I've heard Islam was sent as a mercy to all mankind , that it is supposed to guide you and etc...

Now I know other religions offer certanty too, for example a person who beleives in their faith wholeheartedly.

BUT, what if this person one day starts to question their faith and one realises its wrong, and what if they are living lets say for example as a native American who has never heard Islam in their life , lets even go far and say that they logically came to the conclusion that this one God sent people to guide humans and that this person tries to find the truth , but sadly they never do.  

My question is why wasn't this person guided ? they mustve felt horrible their whole life not having certanty.

I've heard of people asking "God guide me,I will do whatever it takes to submit to you,etc.." and then they later convert to Islam.What about this person who has no contact with the truth I.e Islam

Also don’t tell me we have the internet today , im talking about before that period of time (jahilliyah time)

Is there any hadiths or quranic verses that give explenations to these kinds of questions ?

ws

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20 hours ago, HusseinAbbas said:

Salam alaykoum,

So the thing is, I've heard Islam was sent as a mercy to all mankind , that it is supposed to guide you and etc...

Now I know other religions offer certanty too, for example a person who beleives in their faith wholeheartedly.

BUT, what if this person one day starts to question their faith and one realises its wrong, and what if they are living lets say for example as a native American who has never heard Islam in their life , lets even go far and say that they logically came to the conclusion that this one God sent people to guide humans and that this person tries to find the truth , but sadly they never do.  

My question is why wasn't this person guided ? they mustve felt horrible their whole life not having certanty.

I've heard of people asking "God guide me,I will do whatever it takes to submit to you,etc.." and then they later convert to Islam.What about this person who has no contact with the truth I.e Islam

Also don’t tell me we have the internet today , im talking about before that period of time (jahilliyah time)

Is there any hadiths or quranic verses that give explenations to these kinds of questions ?

ws

Wa Laikum Salaam, 

Islam was sent as a mercy to mankind most definitely, but the true message of Islam is only heard by the believers and only guides the believers. The Holy Qur'an explains to us on several occasions that there are two groups of people throughout the history of this world and that is the believers who on judgement day will be the people on the right, and the disbelievers who will be the people on the left. I have come to realize that both groups are on two different signals of moral thought and ideology of progression. These two groups will always oppose each other on all levels of when it comes to God, morality, and goodness. 

Also By signal I mean that the believers at their Hearts core acknowledge Allah and feel a need to submit and want forgiveness and peace from the one true Allah and this is the reason why they accept al Islam easily. Actual Muslims are the believers who submit to Allah to find that peace by following Allahs commands which is essentially what Islam means. Islam is the signal that unifies the believers all around the world. It’s the reason we have the Call to prayer which is in fact a signal in itself to believers on all levels all around the world. All believers understand the signal at their hearts core even some amongst the most primitive isolated tribal people. This is why Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said that those who understand Islam are in fact Muslim at heart. 

A true believer is one submitting his free will to believe in anything other than Allah because the real knowledge is that in reality there is no free will outside of Allah’s kingdom and sovereignty. There is no other religions or Gods. All creation aside from humans and jinns recognize Allah as the only God which makes Islam from the beginning of time the only religion in this world and the only religion which will be recognized on judgement day and hereafter.  Any religion outside the scope of Allah as One and the most high is disbelief. 

Now here is where I try to start answering some of your questions to the best of my ability. Somehow over time the Muslims have lost the meaning of the actual message and have only connected Islam and its followers as one of many religions from the Middle East. The followers of the nationalism Tribal version of Islam we see today only consider themselves as believers which is a mistake and arrogance on their part. Allah knows who his believers are because Allah is the Creator of all creation and he knows all and sees all.

There are believers all around the world even amongst disbelieving religions. Some of these believers at heart will find their way to al Islam as true practitioners of the religion itself and some will have died as just having true belief. Some will have a messenger sent them in their graves. Some believers will have had good conduct and attain lower to middle levels of Heaven and some believers will have just been base level believers who heavily indulged in the sins of their desires and had to be purified in Hell. It was their actions that led them to hell. One thing about believing people is that there is a conflict within them about doing evil deeds. This softness in the heart is why Allah guides those believers who are in darkness. Those believers who weren’t guided by Allah from the hell fire were overcome by their sins of passion and desires. Their hearts became like stone and resembled those disbelievers who rebelliously disobeyed the laws of Allah. 

The true believers are those who follow all the proper tenets of Qur'an and Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and his Ahlul Bayt. These are the best of best believers who will attain higher levels of Jannah. This is a special type of believer and it is a supremely great blessing. Keep in mind however that just because one is born in A Middle East country doesn’t make them a believer. This is why the Qur'an explains about the munafiqoon or hypocrite. These can be people who are part of the Islamic culture in a society but at heart they are in disbelief. 

Also keep in mind some Prophets will come before Allah on the day of judgement having no believers or only a few believers with them because their entire nation was unbelievers. Disbelievers have different hearts which are rebelliously sinful and aggression. There is no remorse and all the major sins are subject to being committed by them. They have hearts of stone and are rougher around the edges. These people are the owners of the fire. 

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On 10/21/2019 at 8:42 AM, HusseinAbbas said:

Salam alaykoum,

So the thing is, I've heard Islam was sent as a mercy to all mankind , that it is supposed to guide you and etc...

Now I know other religions offer certanty too, for example a person who beleives in their faith wholeheartedly.

BUT, what if this person one day starts to question their faith and one realises its wrong, and what if they are living lets say for example as a native American who has never heard Islam in their life , lets even go far and say that they logically came to the conclusion that this one God sent people to guide humans and that this person tries to find the truth , but sadly they never do.  

My question is why wasn't this person guided ? they mustve felt horrible their whole life not having certanty.

I've heard of people asking "God guide me,I will do whatever it takes to submit to you,etc.." and then they later convert to Islam.What about this person who has no contact with the truth I.e Islam

Also don’t tell me we have the internet today , im talking about before that period of time (jahilliyah time)

Is there any hadiths or quranic verses that give explenations to these kinds of questions ?

ws

It is precisely for such reasons that we cannot deem Islam to be Absolute.  In fact it is metaphysically absurd to regard Islam as an absolute Truth for only God Himself is the Absolute Truth.

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On 10/21/2019 at 9:42 AM, HusseinAbbas said:

My question is why wasn't this person guided ? they mustve felt horrible their whole life not having certanty

They have been guided only by fitrah, but not revelation. Like a newborn baby or the mentally handicapped, they will be guided and held accountable only for what they have, no matter how limited. This is mercy.

Even those of us who “know” Islam, our knowledge is superficial and we’ve extracted very little, so perhaps we’re not too far ahead in many respects ourselves. 

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as we are all ignorant,  I too claim ignorance but opinion matters.

Islam is good. All religions are good to some extent. They are good for the masses to cling to a rope of law, morality and a form of guideship . Even thought these laws are subject to interpretations But the claim is a contradiction.

As this claims God wanted his creation to burn in hell eternity, perhaps because of Adams disobedience,  then decided somewhere out of his goodness that NO, I must guide them, thus now Islam was sent as a mercy via Prophets who themselves had to witness divinity inorder to accept faith. This tells us that God is erratic and is subject to his own whims. This clearly isn't a God but a human with divine power.

One can research and read the works of the pre-socratic to the greek philisophers, guidance was there too. So did the babylonians. All in different forms. One can find the same ideas in all abrahamic religions too. The chain is very similar. This is not the whole story and I cannot explain you the many corpuses that exist, which I too have no read nor will read.

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Salam to all,

So from what I understand from all of these replies, Islam is only there to guide the fitra to become better, but the people who don't receive the message unfortunately will have to rely soully on their fitra ? This explains why many non Muslims whom never heard Islam before still had some sort of feeling of a porpouse , they felt guided in a way.

ws.

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On 10/24/2019 at 7:59 AM, HusseinAbbas said:

Salam to all,

So from what I understand from all of these replies, Islam is only there to guide the fitra to become better, but the people who don't receive the message unfortunately will have to rely soully on their fitra ? This explains why many non Muslims whom never heard Islam before still had some sort of feeling of a porpouse , they felt guided in a way.

ws.

Have YOU received the message?  you think you got it right, you think you are guided...

What makes you so sure?  Maybe that Native American jumping around around the fire in his underwear and smoking joint is more aware of the Truth than you and I are....

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On 11/4/2019 at 1:18 PM, eThErEaL said:

Have YOU received the message?  you think you got it right, you think you are guided...

What makes you so sure?  Maybe that Native American jumping around around the fire in his underwear and smoking joint is more aware of the Truth than you and I are....

never said I think I got it right, infact I haven't even started reading sourah al baquarah , im far from it.

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On 11/4/2019 at 1:18 PM, eThErEaL said:

Have YOU received the message?  you think you got it right, you think you are guided...

What makes you so sure?  Maybe that Native American jumping around around the fire in his underwear and smoking joint is more aware of the Truth than you and I are....

Alhamdulilah, 

It May be very well that a Native American with a joint just might have more definition or more of an understanding of tawhid than you think they may have. From my understanding Allah sent messengers to all the nations. It’s very likely that amongst all the nations there are those who understand this principle of tawhid and monotheism internally.  

How else would we explain the spreading of Islam across the world. Do Muslims of today believe themselves to be responsible for increasing believers around the world? Allah increases believers where he see fit by his will.  Tawhid is already around the world. We as Muslims just need to invite. Allah guides whom he wills and By striving to stay close to Allah and his Holy books and striving to follow the example of the Ahlul Bayt should make us confident because Allah and his Qur'an are the truth as well his Messengers and guided Imams. 

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On 11/4/2019 at 1:18 PM, eThErEaL said:

Have YOU received the message?  you think you got it right, you think you are guided...

What makes you so sure?  Maybe that Native American jumping around around the fire in his underwear and smoking joint is more aware of the Truth than you and I are....

Appreciate the  kind thought, but can we stop the ethnic stereotyping?  Thanks.

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No worries. It didn't. I just never have seen anyone around here or in any other community dancing around a fire in their skivvies. Lol.

I get what you are trying to say, though. I think a lot of folks would be surprised at what a lot of native faiths are about.

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1 hour ago, LeftCoastMom said:

No worries. It didn't. I just never have seen anyone around here or in any other community dancing around a fire in their skivvies. Lol.

I get what you are trying to say, though. I think a lot of folks would be surprised at what a lot of native faiths are about.

I know , I just watched a video on the native faith and you will be suprised at how much its simillar to Islam, it has tawheed in it, fasting for taqwa,etc...

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Just now, HusseinAbbas said:

I know , I just watched a video on the native faith and you will be suprised at how much its simillar to Islam, it has tawheed in it, fasting for taqwa,etc...

Yes when you study different religions you will find many similarities to the guidance you will find in the Qur'an. Even in religions that are normally considered shirk you will find elements of tawheed. And most religions is basically about being a good person. (I think only Satanism and the one with the spaghetti-monster is not.) The Qur'an says that it has been send as a reminder and confirmation in what has been send before and to judge in what they differs. So I think it doesn't matter if someone follow the Qur'an or some other book or works of poetry that says the same thing as the Qur'an. It is essentially the same message. But who knows? Allah guides whom he wants!

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20 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

Yes when you study different religions you will find many similarities to the guidance you will find in the Qur'an. Even in religions that are normally considered shirk you will find elements of tawheed. And most religions is basically about being a good person. (I think only Satanism and the one with the spaghetti-monster is not.) The Qur'an says that it has been send as a reminder and confirmation in what has been send before and to judge in what they differs. So I think it doesn't matter if someone follow the Qur'an or some other book or works of poetry that says the same thing as the Qur'an. It is essentially the same message. But who knows? Allah guides whom he wants!

That is true , but as for the one I saw, it's litterally tawheed in its purest form , it amazed me, they said things like "there is only one ultimate spirit" " he cannot be described by images or forms" infact if I remeber they have something that goes like sourat Al Ikhlas.

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On November 5, 2019 at 3:54 PM, HusseinAbbas said:

I know , I just watched a video on the native faith and you will be suprised at how much its simillar to Islam, it has tawheed in it, fasting for taqwa,etc...

Well, there is no " the native faith". There are hundreds (or more) of native faiths. I'm not an expert on Islam so I can't tell you how any of them would match up.

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12 hours ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Well, there is no " the native faith". There are hundreds (or more) of native faiths. I'm not an expert on Islam so I can't tell you how any of them would match up.

Alhamdulilah, 

I agree, there are many Native American tribes so there are most likely different faiths amongst them. In Islam, God tells us that he sent Prophets to all the nations so some of these tribes could have held on to tawhid teachings. In order for them to have held on to those teachings they would have had to been on that signal of belief. 

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On October 24, 2019 at 5:59 AM, HusseinAbbas said:

Salam to all,

So from what I understand from all of these replies, Islam is only there to guide the fitra to become better, but the people who don't receive the message unfortunately will have to rely soully on their fitra ? This explains why many non Muslims whom never heard Islam before still had some sort of feeling of a porpouse , they felt guided in a way.

ws.

Quote from my husband's great-great grandfather ( as translated and recorded):

" Why do they [ the Christians] come here with their suggestions for living?

We knew all of these things before.

And as for them, 

They say their religion is one of love, but not one in ten of them will live it that way."

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3 minutes ago, AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola said:

Alhamdulilah, 

I agree, there are many Native American tribes so there are most likely different faiths amongst them. In Islam, God tells us that he sent Prophets to all the nations so some of these tribes could have held on to tawhid teachings. In order for them to have held on to those teachings they would have had to be already on that signal of belief. 

Pretty much every tribe and/or related tribal groups have their own faith systems.

As one  native scholar puts it, " They are as different from one another as members of the Presbyterian church are to adherents of Shinto". 

So when you are talking about " native spirituality" ( an oxymoron as bad as " Asian spirituality") ,you have to be tribally specific or it makes no sense.

This is the problem I have with Hollyweird and the Culture Vulture Nuagers.

Most of that stuff is nonsense.

Our local educational museum will not allow any researcher to use its name on any publication regarding natives unless the staff, native and non, reads it first because " there is so much garbage out there" and they don't want to be associated with any of it.

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1 hour ago, LeftCoastMom said:

This is the problem I have with Hollyweird and the Culture Vulture Nuagers.

Most of that stuff is nonsense

This is same thing that Muslims specially Shias have problem with it that between all religions Islam specially Shia Islam known just based on stereotypes of hollyweired that also in addition anti Shias add more to this about Shias anyway ,you are not rude but we have a very limited understanding from from native Americans just based stereotypes that few native American Muslims like as sister @Hameedeh weren't eager or active to talk about native Americans here.

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On 11/6/2019 at 11:54 PM, LeftCoastMom said:

Well, there is no " the native faith". There are hundreds (or more) of native faiths. I'm not an expert on Islam so I can't tell you how any of them would match up.

the book im reffering to took snippets of many diffirent native tribes beleifs , I did not clarify

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