Hinduism as pure Tawhid,friendly discussion welcome

[VishvarupaofParamaShiva]

Salam alikum brethren

Theres alot of misconception on Hindu faith among abrahamics;they think we are polytheists but this is a ignorant presumption.

Hindu dharma is pure Tawhid,even more than salafi Islam.

I will go and explain all the 4 schools of Hindu dharma,their subsects and show you how I reached the conclusion that most of hinduism is Tawhid.

1.Shaktah .shaktah is the sect that worships Devi(Godess)as supreme Being and only ontological reality.We are divided between Srividya wich is mainly in the south and worships LalitA-tripura sundari as Brahman,its main texts are the devi upanisads and devi bhagavatam puranas.the other sect,my sect are the Kaulikas,worshippers of KAli MA as Supreme,found in bengal and orissa  provinces,but also among some himalayan Yogis in Nepal like the Naths.both these godesses are manifestations of sources of Parvati the wife of Lord Shiva.in both of these sects full monotheism is assumed.Devi is the only hypostasis that exists.this is different from monism of essence or substance like some schools believe,like the Samrtists,this is unity of person,meaning that there is literally only one person that exists and that is Devi.Kali is the formless feminine Yin black energy that gives birth to the form white Yang masculine consciousness(Shiva),the two are inseperable and Shiva is just kali in male form.Despite woshipping Godess as supreme Brahman,we are more patriarchal and conservative than Islam in many things.the Devi bhagavat puranas and the Mahanirvana Tantra lays out very harsh rules for wives to follow,and marriage etc so Feminism is not presumed because we worship Devi.our source texts include the durga sukta,the devi atharvasirsha and the devi suktam in the Vedas aswell as the Revealed Tantra and Agaamas.Formless shakti(energy)gives rise to Catainya(pure luminous awareness),wich gives rise to Bliss(ananda)wich gives rise to the playful creativity like a happy child willfull to play for no reason,wich gives rise to the want to multiply itself due to Her absolute freedom,and thus manifests divine creation wich is a Leela(play)between shakti and her consort shiva.Thus in our school Samsara is not Suffering or something to be transended and Maya is merely a shakti of the Brahman and not a superimposed non existant reality on the allegedly pristine brahman as the smartists say.

2.Shaiva.Shaiva is divided in roughly to camps.Shiva here is the supreme being.the first camp is Dvaita or duality.this has the Siddhanta mainly in the south of India and tamilnadu etc Siddhantists belive that Shiva is Seperate entity from us,that there are multiple Ontological entities/jivas and that liberation is like salt merging with the sea rather thana  drop merging with the pond.however they belive they are one in substance(svabhava)with Sadashiva but not the same in makeup.this would be Monotheistic in a  dualistic way.

the Seconds are the Advaitists,this is compromised by the Tradition in Kashmir wich is known as Kashmir Shaivism or Trika Saiva  Dahrma,they believe in absolute unity and haver the same beliefs as the Shaktah Advaitins,only saying that Shiva is the source and Devi is the emanated power(sakti).Bharaiva is the highest form of Shiva inthis sect,he is the consort of mother kaali,so this sect is linked to the kaula and was born from kaula Tantrikas in kashmir.this again,is absolute Tawhid.la mawjud illalah.

3.are the Vaisnavites.those that Believe Vishnu and his avatars are the supreme Brahman,they are divided between Gaudiya wich is from bengal and orissa and sees krishna as the nirguna brahman,the Advaitins wich are extinct nowadays,and the Qualified nondualists or vistisvaita,common in rajasthan and other parts of western India.all of them See God as supreme being and we are one in essence with him but not constituence .this is Tawhid by dualist abrahamic standards.

the last are the Advaita Vedanta or smartists,I will not say wether they are mutawahidun in a Islamic sence because I havent studied their Aqidah well enough.

all Hindus Belive that the other 33 ''angels''are either just their Ishta Deva in different bodies or created angels that will expire when  the universe takes a rest in pralayama.so when we worship these dieties we see them as our Ishtadeva or just angels as in the case of the Gaudiya and are thus no less monotheistic than the catholics or orthodox or the Shi'as who pray to saints .

Idols from a  Shi'a pov is problematic,but when consecrated we see the idol as being inhabited by our Ishtadevas;and the Shiva lingam is no different from a  black stone in kaaba(wich was a shiva lingam),the yoni is no different than the kaaba.

when we worship the holy mother cow,we see them as the temple of all 33 gods.its dulia and not Latria.

since we belive God is one Ontological person rather than a constituent of 3 persons with one essence as the Trinitarians ,or the 10 Sefirot of kabbalah,we are more close to Islam than ahlulkitaab,

Namaste

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 10/18/2019 at 6:46 AM, VishvarupaofParamaShiva said:

Hindu dharma is pure Tawhid,even more than salafi Islam.

hi, we don't believe to Tawhid of Salafis their definition from Allah/God is a physical being with all physical being problems & limits that is against Qur'an &Shia and majority of Sunni Muslims.

On 10/18/2019 at 6:46 AM, VishvarupaofParamaShiva said:

since we belive God is one Ontological person rather than a constituent of 3 persons with one essence as the Trinitarians ,or the 10 Sefirot of kabbalah,we are more close to Islam than ahlulkitaab,

we also don't accept their definition about God but based on Qur'an only Christians &Jews & Mandaeans from Abrahimc faith & Zoroastrians ([edited out]) are from people of book 

 

[3wliya_maryam]

vvhat is this I don’t undrestand

[Kaya]

On 10/17/2019 at 11:16 PM, VishvarupaofParamaShiva said:

Hindu dharma is pure Tawhid,even more than salafi Islam.

 Right! Salafi Islam that says God has a body like you and me, goes on to describe Him in human attributes, says that He is restricted to time and space, etc. 

So.. in a sense I agree with your argument that Hindus have better Tawhid than Salafis, but not because of the Salafis purity, rather because of their polytheism! 

[Shahrukh K]

On 10/18/2019 at 8:46 AM, VishvarupaofParamaShiva said:

Hindu dharma is pure Tawhid,even more than salafi Islam.

Name of the Dharma is sanatan dharma in all ancient Indian scripture word Hindu not mentioned.

And yes sanatan dhatma is pure tawheed.

[Guest Debater]

Salafi's make Allah into anthopormophic Hindu Gods

and some Shias make human beings demi-Gods. 

Two sides of the same coin, which is ironic. One is so rigid they take Hadith to the letter, and the other doesn't mind what it claims even if there is little textual evidence (Wilayah Takwini for example)

I'm a Shia, but I can see the writing on the wall. 

[Guest Debater]

On 11/6/2019 at 3:11 PM, Kaya said:

 Right! Salafi Islam that says God has a body like you and me, goes on to describe Him in human attributes, says that He is restricted to time and space, etc. 

So.. in a sense I agree with your argument that Hindus have better Tawhid than Salafis, but not because of the Salafis purity, rather because of their polytheism! 

You are right, but we need to admit some Shias claim:

1. The Prophet and Imams control every atom in the universe in real time

2. To directly make Dua to them and ask them for health, wealth and children

None of which has any valid textual evidence. This is like Pauline innovation. 

Don't you think some Salafis are smart enough to know Salafism is irrational? Of course, but that means they let go of this belief and bubble they have built their life around. Do you want to be the one to tell him to divorce his wife (if he becomes Shia, else she may leave him), to be disowned by family, to lose it all? That isn't easy.

The same goes for low-information members of the Shia community who think the Imams are literally controlling the universe in real time, and that they decide and grant your prayers.

The same goes for Christians who argue for the Trinity despite knowing in debates it makes no sense.

What is stopping billions of people who have intelligence from leaving their allegedly clearly illogical ways? Well, herd mentality, the protective bubble, indoctrination, an entire life they have built around beliefs without a shred of evidence, some being outright lies.

You be the one Salafi on the Salafi forum to call out Salafism.

Or the Christian who admits the Trinity makes little sense on a Catholic forum.

Or the Shia who questions why there is not a shred of reliable evidence for Wilayat Takwini. 

Each will get torn to shreds. 

[In Gods Name]

Interesting how this is similar to what you hear some Muslims say to justify odd beliefs

[Eddie Mecca]

'From Hinduism To Islam' Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (1 hour 50 min)

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

Deedat's talk is more of a leisurely, laxed Sunday evening talk...good talk for beginners who know absolutely nothing about Hinduism...Ali Ataie's talk is more intermediate level...Ali Ataie...'Hinduism In A Nutshell'...1 hour

 

[Ashvazdanghe]