How can Sunnis dispute this? Imam Ali

[Harbinger]

Narrated 'Ali:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "I am the house of wisdom, and 'Ali is its door."

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/636030 

 

Narrated Hubshi bin Junadah:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "'Ali is from me and I am from 'Ali. And none should represent me except myself or 'Ali."

https://sunnah.com/urn/635990

 

Narrated Abu Sarihah, or Zaid bin Arqam - Shu'bah had doubt:

from the Prophet (ﷺ): "For whomever I am his Mawla then 'Ali is his Mawla."

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/635920

 

Ibn Buraidah narrated that his father said:

"The Messenger of Allah said: 'Allah has commanded me to love four people, and He told me that He also loves them.' He was asked: 'O Messenger of Allah, who are they?' He said: ''Ali is one of them,' and he said that three times, 'and Abu Dharr, Salman and Miqdad.'" 

( I like to mention that Abu Dharr, Salman and Miqdad were all companions of Imam Ali)

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/1251490

 

And narrated Sad

that the Prophet (ﷺ) said to 'Ali, "Will you not be pleased from this that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses?"

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/57

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"They say that the Prophet (ﷺ) made a will for 'Ali,[1] but he called for a basin in which to urinate, then he went flaccid suddenly (and died), so how could he leave a will?!" The Shaikh said: Azhar (one of the narrators) is Ibn Sa'd As-Samman. [1] Meaning, appointing him as the Khalifah.

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/1000330

 

 

Aswad b. Yazid reported:

It was mentioned before A'isha that will had been made (by the Holy Prophet) in favour of 'Ali (as the Prophet's first caliph), whereupon she said: When did he make will in his favour? I had been providing support to him (to the Holy Prophet) with my chest (or with my lap). He asked for a tray, when he fell in my lap (relaxing his body), and I did not realise that he had breathed his last. When did he make any will in his ('Ali's) favour?

 

Aisha lying to the people and saying that the Prophet never left a Will and appointed Ali as the first caliph.

https://sunnah.com/Muslim/25/28

 

Narrated 'Ali bin Hussain:

from his father, from his grandfather, 'Ali bin Abi Talib: "The Prophet (ﷺ) took Hasan and Hussain by the hand and said: 'Whoever loves me and loves these two, and their father and mother, he shall be with me in my level on the Day of Judgement."

https://sunnah.com/urn/636120

 

It was narrated that 'Ali said:

"The Prophet [SAW] made a covenant with me that none would love me but a believer, and none would hate me but a hypocrite."

https://sunnah.com/nasai/47/38

[baqar]

Salams all

I believe a knowledge of this topic will be useful to all ShiaChat members.

Will it be possible for other sisters and brothers to post hadiths for the Ahlul Bayt in Sunni books?

Thanks and Was Salam

[Guest Ibn Arshad]

I mean, you are showing Ahadith about the praise of Ali which we clearly and you have proved do, but none of this means he should be the first Caliph. There are Hadith praising other companions in the same way, also a Hadith you used was weak, however for arguments sake let’s say it isn’t And they are all authentic Hb the Hadith of Zaid where Mohammed said he is my Mawla and I am his?

 

https://sunnah.com/mishkat:3377
 

This Hadith is the highest level of authenticity, so with the same logic Zaid is also an Imam.

A sincere advice also, do you not watch your tongue? You say the the WIFE of the PROPHET was a liar? You say that about her? Do you not find it crazy how the Shias disrespect so many companions? Even the Jews and Christians if you asked them who were the best of people after Jesus and the prophets they would say the disciples and etc. Not even the shias respect the companions! 
 

there are also many of your own imams contradicting one another on this huge claims of companions being liars, kuffar and etc.

 

Aisha clearly clears up here that there wasn’t a Will for Ali, and the Hadith for that and you accuse her of astagfurillah ‘lying’ is the context for the Hadith you used out of context.

it’s a stupid idea anyways using our books to try and prove us wrong, our Hadith are better and more authentic than yours moreover I pose a simple challenge and a sincere one to any Shia, is to prove the follow the Ahlul bayt from the Quran, and prove your beliefs from it. As we will always disagree on Hadith.

 

Oh and you you never will prove it.

 

As the Quran clearly refutes all the deviancy and corruption and is inline with the true sunnah.

 

may Allah guide us آمين.

 

 

[layman]

16 hours ago, Guest Ibn Arshad said:

I mean, you are showing Ahadith about the praise of Ali which we clearly and you have proved do, but none of this means he should be the first Caliph.

All his life, Ali (عليه السلام) was showing how to serve Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), uphold Qur'an and Sunnah and never did he want to be a Caliph.  He was offered the post as a Caliph after death of Othman.  However, Ali (عليه السلام) rejected the offer.  Finally, Ali (عليه السلام) was forced to accept the post as Caliph.

The issue is, why muslims didn't make Ali (عليه السلام) as their elected leader after the wafat of the Prophet((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).  The same question is also asked for muslims today.  Will they accept Ali (عليه السلام) as their leader after the wafat of the Prophet((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

Everyone will have to answer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), whom they selected as Leader after the wafat of the Prophet((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).  We are going to see the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) in the hereafter and answer the same issue. Therefore, please study the Qur'an, Hadiths, historical facts and whatever means to solve this basic question that has caused so much problems to Muslim Ummah.

We are not here to fight bloody battle on this issue, and everyone is entitled to his own research and struggle to find the truth.  End of the day, everyone will be raised by his Imam.

 

Surah Isra’ – Verse 71
يَوْمَ نَدْعُواْ كُلَّ اُنَاسٍ بإِمَامِهِمْ فَمَنْ اُوتِيَ كِتَابَهُ بِيَمِينِهِ فَاُوْلَئِكَ يَقْرَءُونَ كِتَابَهُمْ وَلاَ يُظْلَمُونَ فَتِيلاً

71. “On the Day We shall call every people with their Imam (leader); then whoever is given his book in his right hand; then these will read their book (joyfully); and they will not be treated unjustly in the least.

We will know in the hereafter who will be with the haq and who will end up with bathil.  I have chosen Ali (عليه السلام) as my Imam over other companions of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) and I was born as Sunni (syafie).  I live among Sunnis and I have no issues with them and their belief.

Wallahualam 

 

[Ethics]

On 6/5/2023 at 1:40 PM, Guest Ibn Arshad said:

I mean, you are showing Ahadith about the praise of Ali which we clearly and you have proved do, but none of this means he should be the first Caliph. There are Hadith praising other companions in the same way, also a Hadith you used was weak, however for arguments sake let’s say it isn’t And they are all authentic Hb the Hadith of Zaid where Mohammed said he is my Mawla and I am his?

https://sunnah.com/mishkat:3377
 

This Hadith is the highest level of authenticity, so with the same logic Zaid is also an Imam.

First of all hadith of Ghadir is Mutiwatir in both schools of thought and has been narrated by so many companions. It gives precedence over any other hadith that claims the same thing. It would make no sense logically speaking, for a prophet of God to just randomly call someone a friend. Please do not insult our intelligence. This is a prophet of God we are talking about. Second, the simple status and praise found in support of Ali (عليه السلام) in relation to both the quran and sunnah is beyond plethora. No other companion can compare. From Ali being born in the kaaba, to being one of the first muslims, to taking care of the prophets family when the abu hashim was exiled. Some of the pegans came to help the prophets family to feed them. Where were the so called companions? Where was Abu Bakr? When fighting battles who was asked to sacrifice his life without question in the bed of the prophet? Ali. While the companions were scared. Who ran away from the battles? Companions while Ali was unafraid. Who was commanded to go challenge the christians in the holy quran when it was revealed with Muhammad, Ali. Why was the verse, those who give charity while in a state of prayer revealed? Ali. Who stayed with Muhammad (عليه السلام) while he was breathing his last? Ali. Meanwhile the companions were away caring about the wordly power figuring out who should take the power. Who came to the prophets burial? Ali. Where was the so called companions? Again busy with chasing power. I can keep going on and on and on. It is all so clear in both sunni history hadith and even western historians... all you to do is read history with a rational perspective.

It boggles my mind how people think companions were closer to the prophet then his own family in which the quran not only commands but purifies, and no the wives are not included even according to sunni hadith. Even more so the wives were reprimanded many times in the quran.

 

On 6/5/2023 at 1:40 PM, Guest Ibn Arshad said:

A sincere advice also, do you not watch your tongue? You say the the WIFE of the PROPHET was a liar? You say that about her? Do you not find it crazy how the Shias disrespect so many companions? Even the Jews and Christians if you asked them who were the best of people after Jesus and the prophets they would say the disciples and etc. Not even the shias respect the companions! 

With due respect, prophets wives are not infallible. People not chosen by God are capable of lying. Read the quran what previous prophets wives have done.. I find it hilarious that most sunnis go so far to believe the prophet of God who was sent as a mercy on mankind, to perfect our morals. Whom Allah personally sends his peace and blessings upon in the quran, would turn away from a blind man, or be possessed by the devil, or even sin but God forbid you say that about a companion or one of his wives, sunnis will do whatever it takes to lower the prophet but bring all others up...It is beyond ridiculous. Also Shias do respect companions, we just have a different record of history when it comes to which companions and why. There were many many many amazing pious great companions.

 

On 6/5/2023 at 1:40 PM, Guest Ibn Arshad said:

it’s a stupid idea anyways using our books to try and prove us wrong, our Hadith are better and more authentic than yours moreover I pose a simple challenge and a sincere one to any Shia, is to prove the follow the Ahlul bayt from the Quran, and prove your beliefs from it. As we will always disagree on Hadith.

 

"(O Prophet) tell (people) I don’t ask you any wage (in return for my prophethood) except to love my near kin. And if anyone earns any good We shall give Him an increase of good (in return for it)”(Qur’an 42:23).

 

Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O’ People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you with a perfect purification". (Qur’an, the last sentence of Verse 33:33)

However, the sentence related to Ahlul-Bayt (given above) distinguishes itself from the sentences before and after it with a clear distinction. The sentences before and after, use only feminine gender which clearly shows they are addressing the wives of the Prophet (S). However, in contrary, the above sentence uses only masculine gender which is a clear indication that that Qur’an is changing the individuals who it is referring to.

"O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those vested with authority (Ulul-Amr) from among you.”(Qur’an 4:59).

This verse obliges the Muslims to obey two things: First, to obey Allah; second, to obey Messenger and those vested with authority (Ulul-Amr). The arrangement of the words shows that the obedience of Ulul-Amr is as much obligatory as is the obedience of the Messenger because Qur’an uses just one verb for both of them without repeating the verb again.

Naturally, it means that Ulul-Amr should be of the same importance as the Messenger; otherwise Allah would not have joined them together in this verse (Waw of Atf) under one verb. Interesting to note that Allah employs a separate verb for Himself before mentioning the Messenger and Ulul-Amr which shows that Allah has higher authority than that of the Messenger and Ulul-Amr.

It is also clear from the above verse that Ulul-Amr are not restricted to messengers otherwise Allah would only have said: "Obey Allah, and Obey Messenger only.”But He added Ulul-Amr (those who are given authority by Allah). This is one of the places where the concept of Imams and the necessity of obedience to them come from.

Many of our Sunni brothers tend to interpret "Ulul-Amr Minkum”as the rulers from among yourselves, i.e., Muslims rulers.

If Allah were to order us to obey such kings and rulers, an impossible situation would be created for Muslims. The wretched followers would be condemned to the displeasure of Allah, no matter what they do. If they obey these rulers, they have disobeyed the Command of Allah:

"Do not obey a sinner”(Qur’an 76:24).

"And when Abraham was tested by his Lord with certain commands and he fulfilled them. Then He said: Lo! I appoint you an Imam for mankind. (Abraham) said: And of my offspring (will there be Imam)? He said: My covenant does not reach the wrong-doers (among them).”(Qur’an 2:124).

Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of ‘Imran above (all His) creatures. (3:33)

In Sahih al-Bukhari (Arabic-English version), the tradition is as follows:

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.329

Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura:

I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve commanders (Amir).”He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraish."

سمعتُ النبي يقول: يكون إثنا عشر أميراً. فقال كلمة لم أسمعها. فقال أبي كلُّهم من قريش.

In Musnad Ahmad, the tradition is as follows:

The Prophet (S) said: "There shall be twelve Caliphs

for this community, all of them from Quraish."

يكون لهذهِ ألامة إثنا عشر خليفة كلُّهَم من قريش.

Reference: Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p106

In Sahih Muslim, the traditions are as follows:

Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura:

The Prophet (S) said: "The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs.”He then whispered a sentence. I asked my father what the Prophet said. He said, the Prophet added: "All of them will be from Quraish."

إنَّ هذا الامر لا ينقضي حتَّى يمضي فيهم إثْنا عشر خليفة. ثمَّ تكلم بكلام خفيٍّ. فقلتُ لإبي: ما قال؟ قال: كلُّهُم من قريش.

Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1452, Tradition #5

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1009, Tradition #4477

Again from Sahih Muslim:

The Prophet (S) said: "The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men."

لا يزال أمرُ الناس ماضياً ما وليَهُم إثْنَي عشر رجلاً.

Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1453, Tradition #6

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4478

Also:

The Prophet (S) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs."

لا يزال الاسلامُ عزيزاً إلى إثْنَي عشر خليفة.

Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1453, Tradition #7

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4480

Again:

The Prophet (S) said: "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish."

لا يزالُ الدين قائماً حتَّى تقوم الساعة أو يكون عليكم إثْنا عشرَ خليفةً كُلُّهُم من قريش.

Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1453, Tradition #10

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4483

More Sunni references of similar traditions:

- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v4, p501

- Sunan Abu Dawud, v2, p421 (three traditions).

- Others such as al-Tiyalasi, Ibn al-Athir, etc.

Also in another wording, the Messenger of Allah uses the word "Imam”instead of "Caliph". It is widely narrated that:

The Prophet (S) said: "The Imams are from Quraish"

ألأئِمة من قُريش.

Sunni references:

- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p149

- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal

- Sahih al-Nisa’i, from Anas Ibn Malik

- Sunan, by al-Baihaqi

- al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, by Ibn Hajar al-Haithami, Ch. 11, section 2, p287

Obviously, the above traditions are not fit to the first four Caliphs all together, as they were less than twelve.

And they can not be applied to the Umayad Caliphs, because

(a) they were more than twelve;

(b) all of them were tyrants and unjust (except Umar Ibn Abd al-Aziz);

(c) they were not from the Hashimites and the Holy Prophet had said in another tradition that: "All of them will be from the Bani Hashim..."

Also they cannot be applied to the Abbasid Caliphs, because:

(a) they were more than twelve;

(b) they persecuted the descendants of the Prophet every where which means they did not comply with the Qur’anic verse: "I don’t ask you any wage except to love my family.”(42:23).

My recollection about the unfortunate history of Caliphate indicates that, even from the Sunni point of view, there was no good Caliph left after the first 4 Caliphs (It would be 5 if we include Umar Ibn Abd al-Aziz. Some Sunnis are very generous and they add Imam al-Hasan (عليه السلام) and Imam al-Mahdi (عليه السلام) to the list as well.)

To fill out the twelve set, some even included the well-known tyrants to the list such as Yazid Ibn Mu’awiya, Marwan Ibn al-Hakam, Abdul-Malik Marwan, and Husham Ibn Abdul-Malik. The reason is clear and as I stated previously, it is due to the lack of decent and sincere rulers in the History of Islam.

I would like to remind you that "Caliph”means successor/deputy. The successor of the Prophet (or the preceding Caliph) should come immediately after the demise of the Prophet (or the preceding Caliph). If there is any gap between the successors, the word "successor”does not make any sense. So successors should come right after the other without any gap. Also as the Prophet (S) suggested in the above traditions, those twelve Caliphs will cover till the day of resurrection.

 

Finally, let us not forget that even the prominent founders of sunni schools of thought like Abu Hanifa and Malik ibn Anas were students of Imam Jafar as Sadiq the 6th Imam.

 

I have more logical reasons and arguments but I will leave it at that. Wa Salaam

[hanbali]

On 10/15/2019 at 10:10 PM, Harbinger said:

Narrated 'Ali:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "I am the house of wisdom, and 'Ali is its door."

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/636030 

 

Narrated Hubshi bin Junadah:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "'Ali is from me and I am from 'Ali. And none should represent me except myself or 'Ali."

https://sunnah.com/urn/635990

 

Narrated Abu Sarihah, or Zaid bin Arqam - Shu'bah had doubt:

from the Prophet (ﷺ): "For whomever I am his Mawla then 'Ali is his Mawla."

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/635920

 

Ibn Buraidah narrated that his father said:

"The Messenger of Allah said: 'Allah has commanded me to love four people, and He told me that He also loves them.' He was asked: 'O Messenger of Allah, who are they?' He said: ''Ali is one of them,' and he said that three times, 'and Abu Dharr, Salman and Miqdad.'" 

( I like to mention that Abu Dharr, Salman and Miqdad were all companions of Imam Ali)

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/1251490

 

And narrated Sad

that the Prophet (ﷺ) said to 'Ali, "Will you not be pleased from this that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses?"

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/57

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"They say that the Prophet (ﷺ) made a will for 'Ali,[1] but he called for a basin in which to urinate, then he went flaccid suddenly (and died), so how could he leave a will?!" The Shaikh said: Azhar (one of the narrators) is Ibn Sa'd As-Samman. [1] Meaning, appointing him as the Khalifah.

 

https://sunnah.com/urn/1000330

 

 

Aswad b. Yazid reported:

It was mentioned before A'isha that will had been made (by the Holy Prophet) in favour of 'Ali (as the Prophet's first caliph), whereupon she said: When did he make will in his favour? I had been providing support to him (to the Holy Prophet) with my chest (or with my lap). He asked for a tray, when he fell in my lap (relaxing his body), and I did not realise that he had breathed his last. When did he make any will in his ('Ali's) favour?

 

Aisha lying to the people and saying that the Prophet never left a Will and appointed Ali as the first caliph.

https://sunnah.com/Muslim/25/28

 

Narrated 'Ali bin Hussain:

from his father, from his grandfather, 'Ali bin Abi Talib: "The Prophet (ﷺ) took Hasan and Hussain by the hand and said: 'Whoever loves me and loves these two, and their father and mother, he shall be with me in my level on the Day of Judgement."

https://sunnah.com/urn/636120

 

It was narrated that 'Ali said:

"The Prophet [SAW] made a covenant with me that none would love me but a believer, and none would hate me but a hypocrite."

https://sunnah.com/nasai/47/38

1) dhaeef

2) Hasan

3) saheeh

4) dhaeef

5) saheeh

6) saheeh

7) saheeh

8) dhaeef

9) saheeh