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Safe Zone or new Enemy Zone for Turkey ?

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10Oct19  1800EDT

-_BBC reporting:

50,000 Kurds fled by this morning with "100s of thousands at risk"

Kurds have already counterattacked by mortaring a Turkish border city.

Turkey has the 2nd largest army in NATO.

Erdogan threaten to send Europe 3.6 million refugees if they call Operation Peace Spring an "invasion" again

In an interview with Robyn Wright, formerly of the L.A. Times and ClA mouthpiece, said that in addition to the 10+ thousand lSlL fighters in overcrowded prisons, another 20 to 30 thousand are along the Syrian-lraqi border "occasioonally" doing things.

One victim is a 12 year-old named Sara, who lost her leg when her brother was killed, was filmed in the hospital

-_PBS News Hour  

a "half-million" people are "at risk along the border"

"60,000 have already fled" and "another 460,000 live along the border"

Interviewee Soner Cagaptay said Turkey wants to establish "bridgeheads" populated by local Arabs to weaken the Kurds;

and that YPG has been establishing bases along the Turkish border (YPG is a listed terrorist group, "far left" militants)

 

 

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On 10/10/2019 at 6:39 PM, hasanhh said:

One victim is a 12 year-old named Sara, who lost her leg when her brother was killed, was filmed in the hospital

Correction?   CBS Evening News showed the same girl, reported she is 7, it was her right leg she lost to a mortar round, which also killed her brother who was 11.

Also reported: 100,000 have fled; a shell came close to SF Base at Kobane.

Without SDF attention on lSlL prisoners, lS is now moving.

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Zahoor e Imam (عليه السلام) prophecy: Turks will be in Ramallah (Iraq).

There is a lot of hearsay among common people about how Turkey will be free to 'expand back' as the 100 years of Versailles treaty and its sanctions expire soon. Turks have always been and still are a 'martial' sort of a people. Its in their blood. Above all, its foretold that they will attempt to reclaim some of their lost Ottoman area.

Naturally now there has to arise some resistance, may be the Sufyani is also in the pipeline now.

What's more, Turks have the second largest army in NATO. They are a part of NATO. And they will be causing a lot of misery and death among Muslims, and which will significantly benefit Israel and please them all. Therefore, anyone can see the immediate future of their campaign there.

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3 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

What place does Al-Jazira refer to? They already occupy half of Cyprus but I think its some other place?

Salam Al-Jazira means some areas in Syria that in old maps labeled as Al-Jazira in Arabic because that area was surrounded by rivers & was like an island in middle of dessert areas of Syria.

Tehran's Friday Prayers;

Senior cleric warns Turkey against grave consequences of attacking Syria

https://en.abna24.com/news//senior-cleric-warns-turkey-against-grave-consequences-of-attacking-syria_981750.html

October 11, 2019 - 4:56 PM News Code : 981750 Source : FNALink: 
Senior cleric warns Turkey against grave consequences of attacking Syria
 

Tehran's provisional Friday Prayers Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ahmad Khatami deplored Turkey’s so-called Operation Peace Spring in Northern Syria as an “act of aggression”, and called on Ankara to retreat from its positions or face undesirable consequences.

Turkish operation in Syria threatens to revive Daesh: Putin

https://en.abna24.com/news//turkish-operation-in-Syria-threatens-to-revive-daesh-putin_981751.html

October 11, 2019 - 4:59 PM News Code : 981751 Source : Press TVLink: 
Turkish operation in Syria threatens to revive Daesh: Putin
 

Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that the Turkish military incursion into northeastern Syria could lead to the revival of the Daesh terrorist group in the region.

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2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Where is the citation?

[al-Hasan Ibn Mahbub (reported) on the authority of 'Amr Ibn Abi Miqdam, on the authority of Jabir al-Jufi on the authority of Abu-Ja’far (al-Baqir), peace be on him:]

(Al-Baqir) said: “Stay close to the ground. Don't move an arm or a leg until you see the signs which I will mention to you I don't think that you will live until that time. The Abbasids will dispute; a voice will call from the sky; one of the villages of Syria called al-Jabiyya will be swallowed up; the Turks will occupy the region of al-Jazira; the Byzantines will attack al-Ramla; at that time there will be much conflict throughout the land until Syria is destroyed. The cause of its destruction will be the meeting of three standards there: the standard of the Red, the standard of the Spotted and the standard of the Sufyam.”

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6 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

What place does Al-Jazira refer to? They already occupy half of Cyprus but I think its some other place?

This is Syrian Jazira

The-Jazira-region-of-Syria.png

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CBS Saturday morning news reported:

-30 civilian deaths

-3 arty shells landed close (200 meters) to an American post

-showed a shell hit an IS prosoner compound and the prisoners escaping

-an lS car bomb exploded in Qamishli, northeast Syria, Kurdish area, killing ____ [other sources say 3 or 6 people]

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Sat,12Oct19 SlTREP

"lSlS attacks Kurd's largest city as Turkey intnsifies air and artillery strikes"

https://taskandpurpose.com/isis-Syria-attack-turke

--Syrian fighters working with Turkey

--casualties

--"safe zone" is advertised as for housing 3.6 million refugees

--accusations and denials

--more 

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20 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Did they not occupied already in past bunch of lands?

That is an interesting point. All these lands were part of the Turkish / Ottoman caliphate. Hmm. Perhaps the Arabic word of "occupation" should be looked at by someone. But then again this is a much neglected area of traditions. I heard someone he said that we Shia have close to 17000 hadiths about reappearance. I have read and have access to a few hundred but not in Arabic.

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Secretary-General of Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) World Assembly arrived in Turkey (+Photos)

https://en.abna24.com/news//secretary-general-of-Ahlul Bayt-a-s-world-assembly-arrived-in-turkey-photos_981780.html

October 11, 2019 - 6:10 PM News Code : 981780 Source : ABNA24Link: 

Secretary-General of AhlulBayt (a.s.) World Assembly arrived in Turkey (+Photos)

 

Following invitation of Shiites and Alawites in Turkey, Secretary-General of Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) World Assembly arrived in Turkey.

Ayatollah Reza Ramazani, who traveled to Turkey to attend the Arbaeen Grand Conference, was welcomed by Shiite activists and Iranian officials in Istanbul on Thursday.

The Secretary General of the Union of Turkish Shiite Scholars (Ahlader), the Secretary General of the Jaber Union and the head of the television channel 14 welcomed Ayatollah Ramazani in Turkey.

The Consul General of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Iranian Cultural Affiliate in Istanbul, as well as the Head of the Representation of the Al-Mustafa International University, were present.

The Grand Conference of Arbaeen will be held in Istanbul on Saturday and a week before Arbaeen. Ayatollah Reza Ramazani, the new Secretary-General of the Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) World Assembly is The special guest of this year's conference.

He will also meet with activists from Islamic centers, Shiite institutions and religious scholars in Turkey.

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NOTE: this is also posted on "lraq Protests" -my mistake

Sun,13Oct19 CBS Face the Nation

Overnight, Trump announces the withdrawl of another 1,000 troops from Syria-lraq [EDIT: they already have/are "pulling out" from northern Syria]

The Kurds are "negotiating with Syria and Russia" to launch a counter-attack against Turkey

Turkey "has expanded" its objectives

EU and NATO are unhappy with both Trump and Erdogan

Videos of Turkish executions of Kurds are "circulating"

Turkish backed "militias" are "running wild"(?) and released lS fighters and families are "running free".

2ndADD/EDIT: the Wall Street Journal has an editorial wondering if the Amerikan people will take a "second gamble" on Trump; the anchor Margret Brennin(SP?) asked about the spectre of "ethnic cleansing" based on current reporting

END for Now 10:48EDT

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https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910131077041161-kurdish-led-administration-damascus-agree-to-deploy-syrian-troops-along-turkish-border/

Kurdish-led authorities in the northern part of Syria have reached an agreement with the Syrian government in Damascus to deploy Syrian forces along the entire Turkish border to assist in repelling an ongoing military invasion by Damascus.

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1 hour ago, Darth Vader said:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910131077041161-kurdish-led-administration-damascus-agree-to-deploy-syrian-troops-along-turkish-border/

Kurdish-led authorities in the northern part of Syria have reached an agreement with the Syrian government in Damascus to deploy Syrian forces along the entire Turkish border to assist in repelling an ongoing military invasion by Damascus.

Additionally, ABC(NYC) World News Now  reported that the Kurds have joined a Syrian(gov't) and Russian force moving against the Turks.[see post 2 up from this]

OPINE: looking through some old notes, for about a decade, Turkey has had military parts agreements with the US, refugee assistance, and the US has been Turkey's friendliest NATO partner(while the EU refuse to really do anything about Turket joining that 'chr!stian club'.  Russia has invested heavily in building good relations between 'traditional enemies'. Erdogan threatened EU with 'weaponized refugees'(3.6million). So guess whose days are numbered.

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48 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

So guess whose days are numbered.

No government today, even Turkey, would invade another without counsel and some consent of the West. So perhaps the West has pulled a Danzig by OK'ing Turkish invasion on backdoor diplomacy first then expressing displeasure of it? Or it may just be their traditional hypocrisy. I will wait until there is some actual reaction. Turkey is trade partner with Israel and at least until recently it had a majority secular populace so for even now I feel Turkish invasion is just more NATO invasion. Whats more is that it is freeing up ISIS and destabilizing Syria and helping them all. ISIS used to pump stolen oil into the world through Turkey. And the West supplied it weapons through Turkey. So there are clear and old strategical interests visible.

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Photos: Protests in Hasaka, Qamishli against Turkish aggression

https://en.abna24.com/news//photos-protests-in-hasaka-qamishli-against-turkish-aggression_982366.html

October 13, 2019 - 5:56 PM News Code : 982366 Source : SANALink: 

 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): People of Hasaka and Qamishli cities on Sunday protested in rejection of the Turkish aggression and the US presence on Syrian territory.

 
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Photos: Ayatollah Ramazani meets with Friday prayer leader of Istanbul Shiites

https://en.abna24.com/news//photos-ayatollah-ramazani-meets-with-friday-prayer-leader-of-istanbul-shiites_982348.html

October 13, 2019 - 5:10 PM News Code : 982348 Source : ABNA24Link: 

 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): Ayatollah Reza Ramazani, the Secretary-General of Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) World Assembly, meets with Salahaddin Uzgunduz, Friday prayer leader of Shiites of Istanbul, on Saturday.

 

 

عکس خبری/ دیدار صمیمانه امام جمعه شیعیان استانبول و دبیرکل مجمع جهانی اهل‌بیت(ع)
 
عکس خبری/ دیدار صمیمانه امام جمعه شیعیان استانبول و دبیرکل مجمع جهانی اهل‌بیت(ع)
 

Photos: Ayatollah Ramazani attends Abu Talib (عليه السلام) mosque in Istanbul

https://en.abna24.com/news//photos-ayatollah-ramazani-attends-Abu-talib-as-mosque-in-istanbul_982345.html

October 13, 2019 - 4:56 PM News Code : 982345 Source : ABNA24Link: 

 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): Ayatollah Reza Ramazani, the Secretary-General of Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) World Assembly, attended Abu Talib ((عليه السلام).) mosque in Istanbul on Saturday.

 

 

گزارش تصویری/ حضور آیت الله رمضانی در مسجد حضرت ابوطالب(ع) استانبول
 
گزارش تصویری/ حضور آیت الله رمضانی در مسجد حضرت ابوطالب(ع) استانبول
 
گزارش تصویری/ حضور آیت الله رمضانی در مسجد حضرت ابوطالب(ع) استانبول
 

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For Arabic speakers Sheikh Jalaledin sagheer the famous research about reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj)  talked about Turkey & Kurd rule in Syria based trustworthy Shia narrations nearly one year ago about reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj)

الصراع ترکی کردی عشيةظهور الشريف

 

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Syrian troops enter three towns after deal with Kurds

https://en.abna24.com/news//syrian-troops-enter-three-towns-after-deal-with-kurds_982593.html

October 14, 2019 - 2:53 PM News Code : 982593 Source : Press TVLink: 

Syrian troops enter three towns after deal with Kurds

 

Syrian army troops have entered the towns of Tabqah, Ain Issa and Tel Tamer in northeastern Syria after Damascus reached an agreement with Kurds in the region to deploy troops in the area, state media report.

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): 

The deployment to Tabqah near Raqqah on Monday restores the state's foothold in an area that is home to a major hydroelectric dam.

The state television, in broadcasts from Ain Issa, showed residents welcoming the entry of the army troops.

Tel Tamer is 35 km southeast of Ras al-Ain which is currently under the control of Turkish troops. It is on a strategically important highway, the M4, that runs east to west. Turkish forces said they had seized the highway on Sunday.

Syrian Kurds on Sunday struck a deal with the government in Damascus on the deployment of Syrian army forces near the northern border after US troops pulled out of the region ahead of a Turkish incursion.

The so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said US warplanes had targeted a column of Syrian troops in the city of Raqqah in an apparent attempt to hinder their deployment to the north.

Kurdish authorities said the deal “paves the way to liberate the rest of the Syrian cities occupied by the Turkish army such as Afrin” in northwest.

Ankara says the operation is meant to purge YPG militants, the backbone of the US-backed SDF militant group, which Turkey views as terrorists linked to local militants of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

Residents of the northern city of Qamishli on Sunday celebrated the announcement that the Syrian troop deployment.

People were seen on motorcycles and standing on vehicles, dancing and waving Syrian flags in the streets of Qamishli, AFP news agency reported.

video of entering Syrian troops

Iran's Judiciary Chief warns of ISIL's revival due to Turkey's incursion into Syria

https://en.abna24.com/news//irans-judiciary-chief-warns-of-isils-revival-due-to-turkeys-incursion-into-syria_982600.html


There is a danger that the ISIL "which has been created by the Americans and the Zionists, has committed the biggest crimes in the region and their hands are stained with the regional people's blood will respire and commit crimes again", Rayeesi said, addressing the judiciary officials in Tehran on Monday.

"Worse than this is the massacre of the Muslim people in the region which cannot be tolerated by anyone at all," he added.

Rayeesi expressed the hope that the Turkish government would pull back to behind the international borders immediately.

Every day people are being displaced from locations along the border due to the conflict and are extremely worried that the military intervention will threaten their safety and wellbeing. Military operations against Kurdish fighters began Wednesday with air strikes rocking the Syrian border town of Ras al Ain with large explosions, as Turkey moved tanks, artillery, and howitzers in preparation for a broader assault.

UN Spokesman Farhan Haq said aid groups would have to scale-up at a time of crisis and urged the region’s armed forces to keep the Turkey-Syria border open so that aid trucks could bring food, medicine and other gear to those affected by fighting. Ankara claims to be seeking to create a “safe zone” to return millions of refugees to Syrian soil and end a “terror corridor” on Turkey’s southern border. Turkey says Kurdish YPG fighters in northeast Syria are also terrorists due to their links to militants waging an insurgency inside Turkey.

October 14, 2019 - 4:28 PM News Code : 982600 Source : FNA

 

Photos: "Arbaeen Grand Conference" held in Istanbul

https://en.abna24.com/news//photos-arbaeen-grand-conference-held-in-istanbul_982596.html

October 14, 2019 - 3:37 PM News Code : 982596 Source : ABNA24Link: 

 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): "Arbaeen Grand Conference" held with attendance of prominent personalities of different religions and speeking of Ayatollah Ramazani, the Secretary-General of Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) World Assembly at Hasan Doğan hall in Istanbul.

گزارش تصویری/ کنفرانس بزرگ اربعین در استانبول با حضور دبیرکل مجمع جهانی اهل‌بیت(ع)

گزارش تصویری/ کنفرانس بزرگ اربعین در استانبول با حضور دبیرکل مجمع جهانی اهل‌بیت(ع)

گزارش تصویری/ کنفرانس بزرگ اربعین در استانبول با حضور دبیرکل مجمع جهانی اهل‌بیت(ع)

 

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PBS News Hour, Mon 14Oct19 showed a very short video clip of Turkish troops executing Kurdish "prisoners".

l cannot find similar reporting for the following, but The Daily Beast is writing among other things:

YPG spokesman said the Kurds are done with lSlS issues

The Russians are tweeting the Turks telling them where they are going and hope Turkey does not interfere.

US troops are blocking a bridge to interfere with Syrian and Russian movement

Tribal militias have massed south of Raqqa and apparently a massacre is going on inside the city. (l have an old friend from there.)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-forces-reported-preventing-syrian-regime-forces-from-helping-kurds-fight-turkey 

Several other, highly promoted stories are emphasizing how angry US troops are reported to be. Characteristic of anything-anti-Trump bias rather than strict reporting.

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l figure this is the better thread to place these articles under:

http://justworldnews.org/  for 19Sept19  Helena Cobban

---deceptive NGO sales pitches

---next article is about the raise of hatred towards rebel groups and NGOs by the Syrian people

I didn't read there after. Palestinian article included

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Russia has become the 'mediator' in Syria. On 15Oct19, FM S. Lavrov reiterated Russia's backing of the Adana Accord for a "hard border"  whereby both countries conduct mutual security operations.

This article, from 17Feb19 outlines several political features we are currently reading about:

https://thearabweekly.com/past-prologue-Syria-and-adana-accord 

0ne thing the article did not anticipate is the sudden re-energizing of lS.

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35 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Russia has become the 'mediator' in Syria. On 15Oct19, FM S. Lavrov reiterated Russia's backing of the Adana Accord for a "hard border"  whereby both countries conduct mutual security operations.

This article, from 17Feb19 outlines several political features we are currently reading about:

https://thearabweekly.com/past-prologue-Syria-and-adana-accord 

0ne thing the article did not anticipate is the sudden re-energizing of lS.

Lets face it. ISIS has to survive for Sufyani to hatch. We all need it. I would preserve it in a reserve or a lab large enough until they produced Mr.. Sufyani so our maula returns to fix the world. That said, Turkey is the candidate for the "Red flag", Mr.. Big Satan has its spotted flag. USSR had a red flag but Russia does not. When things get really bad I expect Russia to fold. Not rich enough like uncle Satan to afford taking part in a full blown war even if its in Syria. Their aerial HE sniping has helped thinning the ISIS herd a lot though.

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12 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

When things get really bad I expect Russia to fold. Not rich enough like uncle Satan to afford taking part in a full blown war even if its in Syria.

Yeah, l heard today that NYC has a larger GDP than Russia.

What l wrote above about the hatred within the tribes correlates with your opine.

FootNote: other than a video of troop movements, almasdanews.com, no new info on Raqqa.

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16 hours ago, hasanhh said:

I hear others suggesting that Trump should have awaited a clear deal to be made. Or that Trump should have waited for "the right time". But is there ever a "right time" in a situation where you're between an oppressive dictator and radical fundamentalists?

The only end game solution would be to topple Assad, but then what? Iraq or Afghanistan all over again? Alternatively the US could back Assad, but how shameful would it be? Perhaps as bad as backing Saddam, but worse when they're allies with Iran and Russia. 

I doubt the "right time" would ever come. Like ripping off a bandaid. Maybe you just have to get it over with, even if it stings.

 

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Here are two conflicting stories. Who is in Raqqa?

We have already read that Syrian gov't with some Russians are.

Then reportedly lS:   https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/10/18/world/Islamic-state-says-freed-women-held-syrian-kurds-raqqa-elsewhere-jihadis-escape/#.XajEV1rPwdU 

And reportedly, the US deployed from Kobani, Syria evacuation point: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/politics/us-airstrike-storage-site-Syria/index.html 

:worried:

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

Best article I've read in awhile.

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Pompeo Says Israel Has ‘Fundamental Right’ to Bomb Syria, Vows to Tackle Iranian ‘Threat’ – Reports

(American foreign policy in a nutshell) and (The context of the latest Turkish invasion)

The US secretary of state traveled to Jerusalem on Friday for talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, telling reporters after the meeting that “we shared our ideas about how we can ensure Middle East stability together.”

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910191077096678-pompeo-says-Israel-has-fundamental-right-to-bomb-Syria-vows-to-tackle-iranian-threat--reports/

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