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1 hour ago, Moalfas said:

One can easily deny unsubstantiated reports, but when you are presented with such clear examples, it's hard to deny. And I'm afraid, jumping to ridicule the evidence and to compare it to the white helmets who were staging their videos, only puts you in a position of being ridiculed yourself and proves lack of understanding of the situation on the ground. 

Unnecessary editorial.

So answer this question: Millions of lranian pilgrims are heading into lraq which has had violent protests and the machinations of Trump, EU, Turkey and warring political parties. SO WHAT ?  if Iranian police go along to provide protection and order?

Is this high enough "jumping" now?

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2 hours ago, Moalfas said:

Wasit of an Iranian police car, when quizzed, they confirmed that were Iranian police and when asked on the premise of them

If you travel to Shia cities you will find out that Iraqi Shias are driving cars that produced under license of Iranian companies although  they can buy American cars but they prefer to use Iranian cars specially for public services like as cabs & police cars instead of American & Japanese cars so it's not strange that police cars made by factories that have licence from Iran your logic is like as you say Kaleh dairy factories I'm Iraq are spy centers of Iran &who buys their product is an agent of Iran because they buy dairy products that have Iranian name &brand :keeporder: Because you see everything that produced under Iranian brand as a spy tool of Iran

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

Unnecessary editorial.

So answer this question: Millions of lranian pilgrims are heading into lraq which has had violent protests and the machinations of Trump, EU, Turkey and warring political parties. SO WHAT ?  if Iranian police go along to provide protection and order?

Is this high enough "jumping" now?

Beside Iranian pilgrims many merchants & manufacturers are present in Iraq. &they make big contract with Iraqi authorities like as installing car factories & dairy products factories &  they are specially active in field of building apartments &repairing shrines that completely dominated by Iranians but some naive people by seeing a police car that made in Iraq under Iranian car factory licence say that Iran is intervening in Iraq & under propaganda of Batahi-Saudi alliance are saying that Iran is destroying Iraq economy &ignore services of Iran in every aspect to Iraq.

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3 hours ago, Moalfas said:

Every single jeep was a law enforcement jeep and every single bus had the law enforcement flasher ontop.

And another thing, can't lranian police officers go to Arbaeen? Maybe they are going in a group?

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Lol @hasanhh

It's interesting how you first rejected the notion before even seeing the evidence and claimed it's zuwar. 

You then saw the evidence and ridiculed it - claiming you'd investigated with a 'second by second mutli-visual scan' and they're just running lights and blue lights 'in the area' lol

You then went further with ridiculing and suggesting I was 'jumping to conclusions' and compared the video to the white helmet hoax videos. 

Once you were faced with the fact that you can't deny the evidence you just ridiculed because they are in fact Iranian law enforcement vehicles, you throw a Question to justify the presence of the Iranian law enforcement vehicles. The ones you just ridiculed and denied!

And you got offended 'unnecessary editorial' because I pointed out that your ridicule is going to bite you in the back which it did LOL

And then you insist on your stance of denying indisputable evidence of an Iranian police car with all it's bells and whistles and Iranian license plate- by saying the officers inside are not in uniform LOL

I rest my case. 

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:hahaha:

2 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

and suggesting I was 'jumping to conclusions' and

You said this of me. Re-read your own post.

3 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

compared the video to the white helmet hoax videos. 

Granted, a subjective statment, but accurate l think.

4 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

 deny the evidence you just ridiculed because they are in fact Iranian law enforcement vehicles, you throw a Question to justify the presence of the Iranian law enforcement vehicles.

l do not know Farsi nor have l ever seen an lranian kop-kar.  Then an hour later l add in another idea.

6 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

I rest my case. 

How should l characterize your 'case' ?

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9 hours ago, Moalfas said:

To anyone in denial of Iranian personnel operating inside Iraq: as described by the person filming- a large convoy of Iranian buses and cars (apparently revolutionary guards) driving through Diwaniya in southern Iraq, driving on the wrong side of the road, knocking over something off the central reservation (كبوس) , carried on driving. 

They seem to have just crossed over from Iran.

 

This channel is from anti Iranian channels that accuses Iranian about killing Iraqis too & it’s clearly the cars are body guards for Iranian pilgrims that are passing from Sunni majority regions & they are clearing the way for safe passing of them from Sunni regions that supposed to are unsafe for Shias specially Iranians during protests  & second video that you posted accuses security forces as Iranian agents because they are sitting in car that made in Iraq under Iran license.

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@Ashvazdanghe

No offence but I don't know how old you are for using such childish deflections 'Iraqi produced  Iranian police car'?? - with Iranian licence plates and full Iranian police car kit!! LOL

Please note that you're not talking to 10 year olds here. 

You and @hasanhh's blatant denial of cold hard evidence is unreal...

 

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On 10/7/2019 at 10:06 AM, Guest Basira said:

Iraqi isolationism is an illusion. The British and then the Americans came from the other side of the world a number of times to unilaterally determine the lives of Iraqis. History is brimming with this stuff. 

I've always found this argument self-defeating.

Because the "US and Britain" have intervened in Iraq and influenced Iraqi politics, then Iran should be able to do so too. The answer is no.

On 10/7/2019 at 10:06 AM, Guest Basira said:

The marja'iyya is more than just individual. It's a major institution in at least 3 countries where they care about the interests of whoever filled them. Yes this includes political and economic and social interests. The tobacco movement and the constitutional revolution in Iran got its fatwas from Samarra and Najaf and Amal and the resistance against the Israeli invaders of Lebanon got their blessings from Tehran. 

The marja'iyya is a group of individuals not some body group that agrees on everything. Different jurists have different opinions on what is Islamically acceptable and what is in the best social interest for the believers. To argue they are all in unison is to ignore history and their actual fatwas. They agree and disagree.

On 10/7/2019 at 10:06 AM, Guest Basira said:

Everyone's interconnected in this region. What Iraq does with its Kurds might threaten the Turks. What Iraq does with its oil might threaten Kuwait. What Iraq does with its military might threaten Iran. Not Iraq not any country can pretend they can isolate their decisions from the bigger geopolitical picture. That is definitely not going to happen. It took the gradual move toward the European Union to make Europe peaceful since two terrible wars and we can see how fragile the EU is. These arbitrary borders only add to tensions and they definitely don't allow for isolationist illusions. 

The logic of Iraqi nationalism is arbitrary too. The Kurds love a bit of nationalism, is Iraq ready to give it to them? 

One of the conditions of an independent foreign policy is that a nation should be strong enough to fight against foreign interests. If Iraq was a regional powerhouse with a strong economy and a strong military, as it was during many times of its existence, it would follow its own interests as it did many times since its independence. You only believe Iraq needs to be part of some sort of superbloc or regional alliance because Iraq is not strong enough to stand on its own two feet. Everyone has an interest in keeping Iraq weak and in need of foreign, or economic, or military assistance.

And your point about the region being interconnected is true, but the answer is not then to join an alliance that only further increases tensions in the region and only means another decade of Iraq under war and economic sanctions. 

The answer is actually in Tehran, and has been offered by Iran itself. 

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2019/10/10/2115919/zarif-proposes-hormuz-community-non-aggression-pact

What the region needs is a recognition of the borders and sovereignty, and a consensus in non-interference. 

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8 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Because the "US and Britain" have intervened in Iraq and influenced Iraqi politics, then Iran should be able to do so too. The answer is no.

Rearrange the geography and compare this assertion with:

The US tries to influence Canada, Russia and Mexicon, Cuba, Britian because they adjoin.  Canada not only tries to influence the US, but also France and Greenland because they adjoin.

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@Sumerian 

The point was against isolationism not sovereignty.

Sovereignty doesn't mean non-alliance or non-coordination.

Iraq isn't strong enough to stand on its own two feet without support and other countries aren't going to give support without getting guarantees in return that serve their own interests as well. Just take two opposite examples. The US and Iran both have given training and both want something in return. The difference between Iran and US is that at least Iranians are neighbors, share religion, share history and never supported the ugly thing that was called the Iraqi Ba'th party.

I don't know which Iraqi powerhouse you're talking about. Sounds like nostalgia for a historical lie. Iraq as a sovereign country doesn't have a proud history. I'm not talking about Iraq's region and its natives, cradle of civilization. I know that has a long and glorious history. I'm talking about the origins of today's Iraqi national identity. 

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10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Rearrange the geography and compare this assertion with:

The US tries to influence Canada, Russia and Mexicon, Cuba, Britian because they adjoin.  Canada not only tries to influence the US, but also France and Greenland because they adjoin.

The US and United Kingdom don't adjoin, nor do France and Greenland. Canada also does not adjoin with France.

What do you mean?

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8 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

The US and United Kingdom don't adjoin, nor do France and Greenland. Canada also does not adjoin with France.

What do you mean?

US-United Kingdom at US and United Kingdom Virgin lslands, Puerto Rico-Bahamas [all kinda mixed together]

Newfoundland-Overseas Dep't at St. Pierre, et alia

Hans and Ellsmiere Islands-Greenland

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52 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

US-United Kingdom at US and United Kingdom Virgin lslands, Puerto Rico-Bahamas [all kinda mixed together]

Newfoundland-Overseas Dep't at St. Pierre, et alia

Hans and Ellsmiere Islands-Greenland

Oh! Haha, yea I guess now that you mention it, there are some intermingled islands out there.

So you're saying that because the United Kingdom influences the US or because the US influences the United Kingdom, that Iran should be able to influence Iraq?

Or because France intervened in the US revolutionary war, that maybe Iran should be able to intervene in Iraq's war against ISIS?

 

 

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44 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

So you're saying that because the United Kingdom influences the US or because the US influences the United Kingdom, that Iran should be able to influence Iraq?

yes

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Custodian of Astan Quds Razavi:

Arbaeen rally foils enemies’ plots targeting Muslim unity in Iraq

https://en.abna24.com/news//arbaeen-rally-foils-enemies’-plots-targeting-Muslim-unity-in-iraq_983090.html

October 16, 2019 - 5:30 PM News Code : 983090 Source : AQRLink: 

Arbaeen rally foils enemies’ plots targeting Muslim unity in Iraq

 

Unique and glorious epic of Arba’een and the enormous march of lovers of the Infallible Household of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) have foiled all conspiracies and plots targeting Muslim unity, said Hoj. Ahmad Marvi chief custodian of Astan Quds Razavi in his meeting with the chief custodian of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) holy shrine in Najaf.

Iraq's security has great benefits to Iran: Larijani

https://en.abna24.com/news//iraqs-security-has-great-benefits-to-Iran-larijani_983072.html

October 16, 2019 - 4:32 PM News Code : 983072 Source : Iran PressLink: 

Iraq's security has great benefits to Iran: Larijani

 

Iran's Parliament Speaker said that Iraq's development and security have a great benefit to Iran but some countries do not want peace and security in Iraq.


Emphasizing that Iran has no troops and interference in Iraq, Larijani stated: "When Iraq was attacked by ISIS terrorist group, Baghdad asked us to help and our answer was positive."
 

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On 10/13/2019 at 7:32 PM, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

 

1. There are many, many Iraqi government and other officials who work sincerely. 

The political system in Iraq is rotten and the general majority of politicians are corrupt. Yes, there is a very limited minority of sincere politicians. But within the current political Iraqi system, if you're not corrupt, you're covering up for someone who is.

2. The main problem in Iraq is the US. The US, The Big Satan. Remove the US out of Iraq and we will be able to solve a lot, Insha'Allah. Look at what they have been trying since the fall of Saddam. If it was not for Sayyed Al Sistani, and perhaps the Islamic Republic of Iran, there would be no Iraq right now. 

The main problem is not only the US. it's the US, Iran, Saudi, Turkey, Qatar and every nation that is vying for influence over Iraq. Non of those powers want a strong and INDEPENDENT Iraq. They have been vying for influence ever since toppling Saddam and so far, Iran has come on top.

Americans are working HARD 24 hours a day,7 days a week in Iraq. 

So are the Iranians, Saudis etc and their proxies. In fact, it's well known that the Top Dog who calls the shots in Iraq is none other than Qasem Solaimani. If Iran was to say jump, the majority of 'Shia' political class will say how high.

The majority of Iraqi politicians are sellouts, Shias & Sunnis. Starting from the one's that supported the US invasion of Iraq all the way till today. They are serving the agendas of the powers vying for influence (US,Iran,Saudi,Qatar etc) rather than serving the interests on Iraq and Iraqis. They have allowed the multinationals to de-skin Iraq and rob it of it's resources and they filled their pockets with billions whilst much of the population lives in despair.

I agree with you that Sayed Sistani has been the one who has so far held Iraq together.

3. Many of these protests are supports of Saddam. They brought an old Iraqi flag which was with 3 stars, implemented in the time of Cursed dictator Saddam. They would shout slogans against Iran/  As if Iran has ANY negative role for the Iraqi nation, the traitors! 

Iran's influence in Iraq has been both positive and negative. 

Iran's military assistance to Iraq and Hashed Al Sha'abi was a strategic move to maintain the status quo and to keep Daesh away from Iranian borders. Had they not done so; Daesh would have gone into Iran.  

Both Iran and Iraq share many common interests and are both majority Shia, however, this only helps the stronger party in influencing the weaker one.

I, and every Iraqi support good, long term bilateral relations with Iran and all our neighbors; The problem is that there's nothing 'Bilateral' about the current relations between the two political systems. There isn't an equal partnership.

This is exactly why some protesters understandably vented their frustration with anti Iran slogans. Corruption is rife, services are inadequate, healthcare is a failure, and Iran's got the most influence out of all the other powers so obviously there will be frustration.  

95% of the protesters were Shia and NOT supporters of Saddam. Many were in fact protesting with Muharram flags. Baathists did jump on the bandwagon like the others vying for influence.

It's easy to throw words like 'traitors' at the protesters because they are frustrated at Iran, but remember that had it not been for the blood and sacrifices of these people, their fathers, brothers, sons, uncles in pushing back Daesh; Iran would look very different today.

Iraqis gave their blood to reclaim and protect their land not for the government. They were helped by Iran because of shared interest in defeating Daesh. I reiterate that an equal bilateral relationship is always healthy and important. The current one is not healthy and will only lead to more frustration.

 

 

 

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Muqtada Sadr calls on Arbaeen pilgrims to chant anti-US slogans

https://en.abna24.com/news//muqtada-sadr-calls-on-arbaeen-pilgrims-to-chant-anti-us-slogans_983318.html

October 17, 2019 - 5:19 PM News Code : 983318 Source : IFPLink: 

Muqtada Sadr calls on Arbaeen pilgrims to chant anti-US slogans

 

Muqtada Sadr, the influential leader of the Sadrist Movement of Iraq, has called on the Iraqi people to come to Karbala on Arba’een and chant slogans against the US, the Zionist regime and the corrupt Iraqi officials.


Sadr called on Iraqis to pour in their millions into Karbala province on Arba’een which marks the anniversary of the fortieth day after Ashura.

He announced in a statement that “People of Iraq, [who are moving towards the Qibla of the Freedom-seeking Revolutionists], move in millions and in a systematic way. May God protect you.”

He urged Iraqis to gather in Karbala on Arba’een Day to shout “No to America … No to Israel … No to Corruption.”

The leader of the Sadr Movement reiterated that Iraqis would also shout “Free Baghdad, Free Baghdad” and “Corrupt Go Out” on Arba’een Day.

 

In message to Iraqi President, PM;

Iran's President: Arba’een gathering manifestation of unity, solidarity among Prophet’s followers

https://en.abna24.com/news//irans-president-arba’een-gathering-manifestation-of-unity-solidarity-among-Prophet’s-followers_983645.html

October 20, 2019 - 4:06 PM News Code : 983645 Source : President.irLink: 

Iran's President: Arba’een gathering manifestation of unity, solidarity among Prophet’s followers

 

President of the Islamic Republic of Iran sent a message to the President and Prime Minister of Iraq to appreciate the efforts of all Iraqi people, authorities and maraji for ensuring full security and hospitality for Imam Hussein’s pilgrims.

In his message that was addressed to the President and Prime Minister of Iraq, Dr. Hassan Rouhani wrote, “This gathering indicted that Arba’een is not just a calendar event, but the lasting miracle of the history and the most powerful media for introducing Imam Hussein-related culture and Ashura uprising”.

“This international gathering is replete with blessings which are becoming clearer every year, and is the manifestation of unity and solidarity among the followers of the Prophet and Imams,” wrote Dr. Rouhani in his message to President Barham Salih and Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi.

He also wrote, “I would like to appreciate the efforts of all Iraqi people, authorities and maraji for ensuring full security and hospitality for Imam Hussein’s pilgrims”.

At the end of his message, President Rouhani has wished the Iraqi President and Prime Minister success, and closer friendship bonds and more pride and authority for the two Iranian and Iraqi nations.

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On 10/16/2019 at 6:00 AM, Guest Basira said:

@Sumerian 

The point was against isolationism not sovereignty.

Sovereignty doesn't mean non-alliance or non-coordination.

Sovereignty means you can choose who you co-ordinate with and who you ally with, not have it imposed on you.

On 10/16/2019 at 6:00 AM, Guest Basira said:

Iraq isn't strong enough to stand on its own two feet without support and other countries aren't going to give support without getting guarantees in return that serve their own interests as well. Just take two opposite examples. The US and Iran both have given training and both want something in return. The difference between Iran and US is that at least Iranians are neighbors, share religion, share history and never supported the ugly thing that was called the Iraqi Ba'th party.

Right, so who benefits from a weak Iraq that is bound by foreign aid? Everyone, including Iran. A strong independent Iraq is not in anyone's interest, clearly. As long as Iraq can be used as a battleground for competing geopolitical interests, everyone will make sure nationalist independent voices that do not believe in playing a side will be silenced.

On 10/16/2019 at 6:00 AM, Guest Basira said:

I don't know which Iraqi powerhouse you're talking about. Sounds like nostalgia for a historical lie. Iraq as a sovereign country doesn't have a proud history. I'm not talking about Iraq's region and its natives, cradle of civilization. I know that has a long and glorious history. I'm talking about the origins of today's Iraqi national identity. 

Maybe you are not well versed in modern Middle Eastern history. Iraq was a regional power during the 60s and 70s, had a stable economy and a capable military able to fend off foreign threats. 

It even tried to take over Kuwait since then:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vantage

Not saying I support that, because I don't, as I am absolutely opposed of getting involved in geopolitical conflict, but this is proof that Iraq was a country making its own decisions.

During the 60s, Iraq was the fastest growing economy in the Middle East with GDP skyrocketing, and signing massive arms deals with the Soviet Uniom.

During the 70s Iraq was placed on the State Sponsor of Terror by the US for supporting Palestinian militants, at the same time it was fighting a Kurdish insurgency backed by the Shah, the Mossad and the CIA.

During the 80s the Israelis attacked the Iraqi ongoing nuclear program.

Why am I saying this? Because this shows it is clear that Iraq has the ability and potential to make its own independent decisions. Unfortunately, Iraq ended up with corrupt rulers that squandered that potential, and so they made the wrong decisions that angered everyone and it led to a war with the US.

Instead of staying within our own borders, our rulers (in particular Saddam) decided to initiate conflict. Had Iraq's leaders chosen isolationism from the beginning and maintained our good and stable economy and military, and maintained good relations with our neighbours and established sound trade relations, Iraq would have been a beautiful place to live in. Just like Oman is.

Therefore the answer isn't get involved more, the answer is less involvement in geopolitics.

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I left Iraq from Najaf yesterday and someone who was with me will leave today through Baghdad. 

He did say there was curfew there and did see a few protesters.

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As of 6 hours ago:

Source- IHCRI

30 fatalities 

2312 injuries across Iraq 

Many reports of Muqtada's vs Qais al Khaza'aly's militias are settling scores with one another in the south. It's mayhem. 

What's happening is absolutely crazy; Curfews across several southern cities. 

إنَّا لله و إنَّا إليه راجعون 

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BBC-internet is reporting (the night of 25-26Oct) 40+ dead and 2000+ injured.

l am watching BBC now: the pictures broadcasted show a street jammed with people.

 

EDIT_ADDed: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/dozens-killed-fierce-anti-government-demonstrations-sweep-Iraq-191025171801458.html 

The article does not say what its source is, but percieved is the gov't allainces split between the US and lRl.

Has videos -which l did not view.

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BREAKING a few minutes ago 0024hrsEDT

Reuters is reporting that the crowds are marching on the Green Zone (again) ADDED it is Saturday morning, Baghdad

Some pictures show middle aged women in protest lines, a few old men, while the younger and middle aged men are moving in the streets.

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As of Saturday afternoon, 26Oct19

Basra and other southern areas relatively quiet in the face of a "strict" curfews.

Diwahniyah -fire bombings and 12 deaths.

Looks like Hashed-as-Shabib verses Badr organization verses Sadrists verses 'other militias'.

48 dead in ~48 hours.

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/nearly-50-dead-Iraq-protests-take-new-violent-turn 

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Video: People . . . turning against the entire political class

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20191026-Iraq-protests-people-on-the-streets-are-turning-against-the-entire-political-class

The next 'video' that came up is France24 Live 0200EDT/NYC added this info:

al-Baghdadi "has been killed in a raid" again

The lraqi gov't did not hold an emergency meeting.

"By All Means Necessary" al-Mahdi put the gov't's elite counter-terrorism force in Baghdad and Nassariyah with orders to clear the streets 'by all means necessary'.

Moqtarda al-Sadr "throws his support behind the protestors"

Death toll 63

0230hrs Added: The gov't did not hold its emergency parliamentary meeting Saturday "because not enough members showed up".

Parliamentarians aligned with al-Sadr "are holding a sit-in" inside the Parliament building.

 

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