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@hasanhh

It's the Sayed's unwavering support of the protests, that I used the article to allude to. 

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The 'Unseen Forces' are kinda visible now.

Read the first paragraph of this:

https://thetimes.co.uk/article/protests-in-Iraq-continue-as-distinction-between-militia-and-government-blurs-bxcqxnvwf   

Then read this short item:

https://www.janes.com/article/92485/nato-s-training-mission-in-Iraq-gaining-momentum --the "long term partnership"

Get lt?

The violent repression of the lraqi people is necessary for the expansion of OTAN/NATO against Russia, lran and Qatar.

[As l posted somewhere 08Oct19, the US pulled out of "sitting duck" Qatar to South Carolina and now has recently redeployed to Bahrain -where the Navy is based an was occupied by KSA-which maybe is still there as l haven't checked, yet. Qatar also has a 1/4th stake in Rosneft (gas) and the US is heavily invested in the Ukraine-the humongus gas field.]

OPINE: the lraqis will be repressed by however bodies it takes  over who gets to sell gas to the EU and protect this monopolist practice by cutting off IRl.

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Monday, 2100hrsEST, 11Nov19

Afraid to go to hospitals

medics attacked

Kidnap and Murder

Hospitals banned from giving out information

Morgues banned from giving out occupancy numbers

lranian munitions sent to fight lS -especially gas and toxic smoke- used on protesters

Political "elites" turning to violence

The Washington Post (of llNovl9) article re-printed here:

https://www.pressherald.com/2019/11/11/fear-spreads-among-Iraqi-protesters-as-government-cracks-down-keeps-death-toll-secret/ 

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7 hours ago, hasanhh said:

lranian munitions sent to fight lS -especially gas and toxic smoke- used on protesters

everytime they make a false flag against Iran ,even by writing a line.:hahaha:

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14 hours ago, hasanhh said:

The 'Unseen Forces' are kinda visible now.

Get lt?

The violent repression of the lraqi people is necessary for the expansion of OTAN/NATO against Russia, lran and Qatar.

 

I disagree. Iraqis know that the militias doing the intimidation and kidnapping (two female civilian activists so far) are the militias that are not at all serving NATO interests, rather the other side. These gangs are well known to the Iraqis and have not been 'unseen' to the general public. 

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7 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Monday, 2100hrsEST, 11Nov19

Afraid to go to hospitals

medics attacked

A hospital in the south was attacked by security forces for accepting injured protestors! The staff weren't backing down and pushed the security forces back. 

7 hours ago, hasanhh said:

lranian munitions sent to fight lS -especially gas and toxic smoke- used on protesters

Maj General Abdulkarim Khalaf confirmed yesterday the use of 'CS gas that's used by the US, Britain, France, Russia and all the countries around the world' 

He failed to admit that the gas canisters are being shot and directed at the protests and their heads resulting in immediate loss of life. 

I've come across several incidents and footage of dead protestors with the canisters still stuck in their skulls. The footage is way too gruesome to post here but I can share with anyone who can bare to look in private. 

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39 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

These gangs are well known to the Iraqis and have not been 'unseen' to the general public. 

"Unseen" refers to pay & benefits in the background that frontline actioneers do not get. You don't believe the US, UK or whomever hands out checks, do you?

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@hasanhh

I believe all the outside forces support their proxies whether by payments, benefits, keeping them in power or otherwise. 

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0500EST, 12Nov19

So far this morning only

--lraqi teachers in southern lraq are said to have closed the schools "in a bid" to keep the protests going

--CounterPunch is running another "it's lran" piece

Nothing so far worthy of citation.

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0630EST/NYC 12Nov

DeutscheWelle just ran a new feature report on lraq. Mostly old video of the previously occupied bridges and Uhad Mountain.

lt reported on the current "teachers' strike" and said the hospitals were full and showed street medical stations -nothing about security burning these medical stations or trying to invade the hospitals themselves- and interviewed a couple of old protesters. Many expect to be massacred it said. "Massacre or Revolution" was a summary the reporter used.

But here is a question: The reported said lranian mullahs hold many official jobs in the lraqi gov't.   :shock:"Huh?"

Has anyone herard this one before?

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12 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

But here is a question: The reported said lranian mullahs hold many official jobs in the lraqi gov't.   :shock:"Huh?"

Has anyone herard this one before?

That's factually incorrect as the officials in 'religious attire' (sheikhs in white turbans or sayeds in black turbans) in the parliament for instance are Iraqi citizens. 

Perhaps it's the reporter's ignorance judging solely on their appearance as it's identical to 'iranian mullahs' 

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10 hours ago, Moalfas said:

That's factually incorrect as

The DeutscheWelle report from this morgen was rerunned and l used the CC (Closed Captions) to read parts of it. In addition to the part you quoted, there is also the accusations 1] as identified as a medic/doctor saying there is not much they can do when "they are choking on nerve agent" ; 2] that the lranian mullahs "want a massacre".

Looks like . . . what?

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Tuesday Night Baghdad time: two protesters killed in Nasiriyah. Citation omitted by me.

Also, in this "it is all being done by lran" diatribe, there is the statement that Iraq is becoming a failed state; and first paragraph this sentence:

"Meanwhile, the political parties and bloc leaders that rule lraq are content to let the country collapse as long as it serves their near-term parochial interests."

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/fikraforum/view/u.s.-interests-and-the-unsustainable-status-quo-in-Iraq 

 

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Muqtada al-Sadr slams US for interfering in Iraq internal affairs

https://en.abna24.com/news//muqtada-al-sadr-slams-us-for-interfering-in-Iraq-internal-affairs_987446.html

November 12, 2019 - 4:30 PM News Code : 987446 Source : Press TVLink: 

Muqtada al-Sadr slams US for interfering in Iraq internal affairs

 

Influential Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has lashed out at the United States for its interference in Iraq's internal affairs, threatening to take millions of demonstrators to streets if Washington keeps meddling in the Arab country.


"Once again it (America) proved that it interferes in the affairs of others," he said, noting that Iraq belongs to the people of Iraq who can decide their fate democratically and peacefully.

He added that Iraq does not want any interference from either the US or any other country, especially if they are going to bring corrupt officials and their authority "on the necks of the people".

"Iraqis will not allow Washington to turn their country into another Syria," said the leader of Sadrist Movement and Sairoon parliamentary alliance.

"Enough interference in our affairs! Iraq has a senior who can protect it and does not need the intervention of either you or anyone else," al-Sadr noted.

 

He also warned that if Washington repeats its interference in the Arab country, he would take millions of angry protesters to the Iraqi streets, that will mark the end of the US existence.

In an statement on Sunday, the White House asked the Iraqi government "to halt the violence against protesters and fulfill President [Barham] Salih's promise to pass electoral reform and hold early elections."

"The United States is seriously concerned by continued attacks against protesters, civic activists, and the media, as well as restrictions on internet access, in Iraq," it said.

 

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10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

 also the accusations 1] as identified as a medic/doctor saying there is not much they can do when "they are choking on nerve agent" ; 2] that the lranian mullahs "want a massacre".

Looks like . . . what?

It seems that the medic/doctor quoted is referring to the Iranian leadership. 

Things can become very confusing at times. Especially when you have someone like Sadr who slams US interference but ignores Iranian interference. He calls for a general strike yet his people in the government are amongst the most corrupt! 

The problem is that he has massive support amongst many Iraqis so they, the people, are also to blame for allowing this mess to continue.  

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3 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

The problem is that he has massive support amongst many Iraqis so

He has been coatailing on his father's name. When an alternative "marja" is available, Sadr will be abandoned.

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There are maraaja available but as you said, it's his family name that he's using as well as the unfortunate herd mentality we have prevalent in Iraq.

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6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Muqtada al-Sadr slams US for interfering in Iraq internal affairs

https://en.abna24.com/news//muqtada-al-sadr-slams-us-for-interfering-in-Iraq-internal-affairs_987446.html

November 12, 2019 - 4:30 PM News Code : 987446 Source : Press TVLink: 

Muqtada al-Sadr slams US for interfering in Iraq internal affairs

 

Influential Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has lashed out at the United States for its interference in Iraq's internal affairs, threatening to take millions of demonstrators to streets if Washington keeps meddling in the Arab country.


"Once again it (America) proved that it interferes in the affairs of others," he said, noting that Iraq belongs to the people of Iraq who can decide their fate democratically and peacefully.

He added that Iraq does not want any interference from either the US or any other country, especially if they are going to bring corrupt officials and their authority "on the necks of the people".

"Iraqis will not allow Washington to turn their country into another Syria," said the leader of Sadrist Movement and Sairoon parliamentary alliance.

"Enough interference in our affairs! Iraq has a senior who can protect it and does not need the intervention of either you or anyone else," al-Sadr noted.

 

He also warned that if Washington repeats its interference in the Arab country, he would take millions of angry protesters to the Iraqi streets, that will mark the end of the US existence.

In an statement on Sunday, the White House asked the Iraqi government "to halt the violence against protesters and fulfill President [Barham] Salih's promise to pass electoral reform and hold early elections."

"The United States is seriously concerned by continued attacks against protesters, civic activists, and the media, as well as restrictions on internet access, in Iraq," it said.

 

Talks and nothing but corrupters. 

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As l understand, a few people do not believe that lraqi security is actually killing people with projected gas grenades.

Now, WARNING l asked before posting, but these are uncomfortable pictures:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2019/11/12/Iraqi-protesters-are-being-killed-by-less-lethal-tear-gas-rounds/ 

 

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As l understand, a few people do not believe that lraqi security is actually killing people with projected gas grenades.

According the source you posted the tear gas are manufactured by DIO of Iran. So mostly possible is that the Iraq security or some Shia groups who are affiliated with Iran have bought these rounds and used to the protester.

Edited by Abu Nur

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Wed, 13Nov19

Protests as big as ever.

Kurds "worried" about amendments to the 2005 Consitution.

Two very similar article:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/Iraq-protests-flare-again-after-pompeo-deplores-death-toll 

https://www.saudigazette.com.sa/article/582459/World/Mena/Iraq-demonstrations-swell-as-Baghdad-faces-renewed-pressure 

 

For an outline of Kurdish "worries", https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/Iraqi-kurds-part-protests-191111125744569.html   in the last 3rd of this article.

Edited by hasanhh
Kurds article

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@Abu Nur @hasanhh

The article also mentions and presents evidence of the Iranian made rounds.

'those manufactured by  Sloboda Čačak, a Serbian firm, and what Amnesty International and Adam Rawnsley identified as M651 tear gas and M713 smoke grenades manufactured by the Defense Industries Organization (DIO) of Iran. '

At the end of the day, the type of rounds or their country of origin is not a serious an issue as is the way they're being used. I.e. Shooting directly at protestors and causing fatalities.

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11 hours ago, hasanhh said:

As l understand, a few people do not believe that lraqi security is actually killing people with projected gas grenades.

Now, WARNING l asked before posting, but these are uncomfortable pictures:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2019/11/12/Iraqi-protesters-are-being-killed-by-less-lethal-tear-gas-rounds/ 

 

Oh my Lord!  That's pretty bad.

 

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https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/13/Iraqi-nationalism-is-back/ 

You can read the intro before you have-to-pay.

Theme: The US vs. lRl narrative is wrong, a "single lens" viewpoint as the article describes it.

In other news, 4 lS fighters killed in lraq:  https://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/14/c_138552808.htm 

Edited by hasanhh

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13 hours ago, Moalfas said:

At the end of the day, the type of rounds or their country of origin is not a serious an issue as is the way they're being used. I.e. Shooting directly at protestors and causing fatalities.

Salam for shooting tar gas direly to head they must shoot it exactly close from behind because shooting from long distance causes curve shooting of tear gas canister , it activates after hitting it's head to the hard ground so any shooting like this happened by some people between protesters that were rightly at behind of victims that other people will recognize shooter among themselves also the picture of Iranian tear gas canister just shows an international  color code & shape of it that this report just based a picture from an exhibition  says it's manufactured in Iran although it can be made in any other country around the world with this shape & color code but as always you are blaming Iran just based on biased report against Iran.

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The old tactics taught by a certain "embassy" ( nest of corruption and sedition):

Look at the red circle in the video

 

When there are always some to be cheated, why not cheat them?

What are they trying to achieve by these acts?

Edited by kamyar

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1 hour ago, kamyar said:

The old tactics taught by a certain "embassy" ( nest of corruption and sedition):

Look at the red circle in the video

 

When there are always some to be cheated, why not cheat them?

What are they trying to achieve by these acts?

Unfortunately for you, some people faking acts does not discredit the numerous verified images of men having their heads blown off. This is even admitted by the military themselves.

Play these games with someone else. 

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7 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam for shooting tar gas direly to head they must shoot it exactly close from behind because shooting from long distance causes curve shooting of tear gas canister , it activates after hitting it's head to the hard ground so any shooting like this happened by some people between protesters that were rightly at behind of victims that other people will recognize shooter among themselves also the picture of Iranian tear gas canister just shows an international  color code & shape of it that this report just based a picture from an exhibition  says it's manufactured in Iran although it can be made in any other country around the world with this shape & color code but as always you are blaming Iran just based on biased report against Iran.

Even if it was Iranians made gas it does not mean it is Iran fault. It is the Iraqis working with the government or support it that have shooting towards the  protesters. 

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Thursday, 0900EST/NYC 14Nov19

1] Medics attacked and killed as well as other protesters:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/protesters-killed-Iraq-hrw-slams-attacks-medics-191114093703902.html 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/11/14/Iraq-security-forces-attack-medics-treating-protesters# 

2] Where does the money go?

https://apnews.com/95cafdaa891e41d9b3f0cc19db01fa5d 

---Basra's schools "crumbling"

3] Amerika "ignoring" lraq?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/14/america-is-ignoring-iraqs-protests-at-its-peril-security-experts.html 

--- ERROR: article reports "2,000 wounded" when the actual number is 20,000+

---That the US has 5,000 troops in lraq

--the "obligatory" anti-lRI diatribe

 

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