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Iraq Protests 2019-2020

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On 2/18/2020 at 1:22 AM, azizaliallah said:

Socialism is a sickness that causes people to be dependant on the basics. I am not a free marketer nor a socialist.  

But the Iraqi people unfortunately,

Don't like any solution that the government presents them. 

They are anti-government for the sake of anti-government. Where has this led to Libya.

This is exactly how the Muslims treated our Master Ali bin Abi Tailb.(عليه السلام)

If they do not accept compromise, and go back to their homes, Allah will send them another Hajjaj ibn Yusuf.

We are anti government because they are stealing wealth of Iraq and they are doing very bad job. They dont give damn about developing free market that would increase more job rate for Iraqis and not depending on just by oil wealth. The people are not against free market.. The problem is that the government wants depend on oil so they can steal and keep them in power. If there was huge Private sector in Iraq. Many Iraqi would not need to rely on government jobs and that would mean the corrupt government would lose its influence and power. The oil economy are reason why the government never have ability to deliver basic need for people. The security system is also ridiculous bad that sometimes Iraq does not feel like a country. . You can basically bring 20 terrorist with their Toyota truck and coup Baghdad and mass kill tons of people and in next day everything normal and forgotten... That thing just happened in 2019. No investigation. No police, Nothing. Those people where not even Isis. They where Shia militants. Iraq needs Nordic model. Not Pure capitalist system like China or America. Balance between Socialist policies  and Free market.

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This whole peotests in Iraq, Lebanon and Iran is only escalated due to enemies of Islam finding opportunities to pour gas on the fire. This isn't about Iran or Iraq's sovereignty or gas prices. They,

What's the worst that can happen in the wordly sense? One can die.What's better for Akhira than dying on the ziyarat of Imam al-Husayn (عليه السلام)? Don't give up the chance. Who knows if we might ev

I think best for Iraq would be to split the country in three new countries. One predominantly Sunni Arab, the other predominantly Shia Arab and the last one predominantly kurd.

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On 2/18/2020 at 2:13 AM, azizaliallah said:

Me personally after reading the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, Voltaire,Karl Marx, Frederick Nietzsche and the list goes on and on and on I studied in the West I learned that most of our problem is us trying to Reconcile their tradition with our tradition and it's just messed up. 

So when people bring up European Western thought , I like to toss it to the trash bin of history. Because we are an Islamic Nation we have our own ideas we have our own thoughts and we will come up with our own Solutions. And we will produce our own leaders our own intellectuals our own Heretics our own blasphemers our own thinkers our own radicals.  

Did you hear what the MBS The Crown stink of the kingdom of sand, said this year? 

He said" we are going to turn the region into the new Europe."

Do you think any European leader would have said we're going to turn the Eurozone into the new Arabia?

My apologies if I come off a little rough around the edges. 

So where are the result? We have seen many decades of Corruption, violence and death. Pan Arabism did not work. Baathist did not work. Islamic rule did not work. What Islamic rule have done in Iraq? Corruption, sectarianism and violence. Its time for us learn from history and go forward with things that works. This does not mean we need get rid of Islam but what we need is to get rid of Islamist from government. Iraq needs secular government that respect every race, every religion and people. If we keep with Islamic government. Sunnis, Shia, Christian and Kurds will fight each other for eternity. 

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8 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

I dont give a damn about America. I dont even support Mustafa but not for reason that you might like.  Iraq need new PM because we are facing Corona and Economic hardship and Abdul mahdi cannot do much for as care taker PM. Iran meddling is  still one of biggest problem Iraq is facing.. Much larger than Usa.

it's obvious that didn't repeat Zionist American propaganda against Iran & shia groups in Iraq :keeporder::hahaha:

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Socialism isn't about free stuff, dude, it's about personal dignity.

Also, to that dude saying Iran has meddled with Iraq more than the US has, that is factually untrue. The US led the invasion that led to the kangaroo court trial of stable Iraq's last leader. They literally performed regime change, then subsequently created ISIS through their Saudi Arabian proxies. They turned Abu Ghraib into a torture facility with no regard for international law. They opened concentration camps housing Iraqi dissidents in Cuba. You can't tell me Iran did any of that, dude!

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13 hours ago, MuhammadFreeman said:

Socialism isn't about free stuff, dude, it's about personal dignity.

Also, to that dude saying Iran has meddled with Iraq more than the US has, that is factually untrue. The US led the invasion that led to the kangaroo court trial of stable Iraq's last leader. They literally performed regime change, then subsequently created ISIS through their Saudi Arabian proxies. They turned Abu Ghraib into a torture facility with no regard for international law. They opened concentration camps housing Iraqi dissidents in Cuba. You can't tell me Iran did any of that, dude!

Im talking about  current situation. Usa did get rid of Saddam and they meddle in formation of constitution but after 2008 they did get out. Usa did not create Isis intentionally. It happened because Usa gave Shia too much power and they marginalized Sunnis. Usa accepted ban of  1 millions baathi to participated in society and they did not listen any Sunni demands when they created the constitutions.. Maliki was  basically sectarian dictator. It was like Houthi situation but reversed.  Iran now days basically control Iraqi government formation and army.  They also control the economy in some degree. Iran did not accept Zurfi nomination when they where in Iraq.. Haideri, Maliki and  Hakim created coalition to go against him after that meeting.. Yeah and It must nice that PMU nominated it leader as  Khameini loyalist. Iraqi buy billions of worth Energy and agricultural product from Iran when it have a lot of those resource in Iraq. The Pro Iranian Iraqis  also brings a lot of Drugs from Iranian border and sell it to public. Iran is also funding PMU and other Shia militants that held a lot of power in Iraq.

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Protesters storm MBC Iraq office, destroy its contents

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MBC Iraq presented a report that talked about on the bombing that targeted the US embassy in Kuwait in the eighties of the last century by the elements of Al- Dawa Party, including Abu Mahdi Al- Muhandis, as the report's writer described him as a terrorist, according to Shafaq News.

As a result, dozens of protesters organized this morning[May 18, 2020], a protest in front of the channel’s office, located in Al-Waziriya district, north of the capital, Baghdad, where protesters initially surrounded the office building, followed by some protesters storming the headquarters and destroying its contents, according to Shafaq News reporter and a security source.

The reporter added that the protesters closed the office.

https://en.abna24.com/news//protesters-storm-mbc-iraq-office-destroy-its-contents_1038127.html

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My family’s against the protests. My uncles insist that the protesters are all non-religious bored youth influenced with Western concepts such as feminism, atheism, Marxism and so on. It can be seen on many murals in Baghdad, which always has been a den of vice in Iraq anyways. I also have a strong feeling that the protests are Baathist driven to weaken Shia parties hold on power and Iranian influence in Iraq, of which I’m personally not fond of, but that’s another topic. Even though I follow a quietist marja’, I believe that what Iraq needs, and what never was implemented, is an Islamic revival with a true rule of sharia in place. Nowadays, Christians are nearly non-existing in Iraq. Kurds couldn’t care less for Iraq. Sunni Arabs make up some 15%, why should they dictate 65% of Iraqis. Nowadays it’s a failed state, full of corruption and nepotism where elected officials couldn’t care less for religion. Iraq needs more religion, not less. 

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36 minutes ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

My family’s against the protests. My uncles insist that the protesters are all non-religious bored youth influenced with Western concepts such as feminism, atheism, Marxism and so on. It can be seen on many murals in Baghdad, which always has been a den of vice in Iraq anyways. I also have a strong feeling that the protests are Baathist driven to weaken Shia parties hold on power and Iranian influence in Iraq, of which I’m personally not fond of, but that’s another topic. Even though I follow a quietist marja’, I believe that what Iraq needs, and what never was implemented, is an Islamic revival with a true rule of sharia in place. Nowadays, Christians are nearly non-existing in Iraq. Kurds couldn’t care less for Iraq. Sunni Arabs make up some 15%, why should they dictate 65% of Iraqis. Nowadays it’s a failed state, full of corruption and nepotism where elected officials couldn’t care less for religion. Iraq needs more religion, not less. 

And I can assure that your uncles are wrong.

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9 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

And I can assure that your uncles are wrong.

I’m pretty sure they aren’t, considering the fact that they’ve been living in Iraq their entire lives. My well known family gave many martyrs to this soil, from before the Saddam to Daesh. Nobody accepts the current state of affairs in Iraq, but we won’t support Westernised, secular anti-Islamic regime either and it seems like this is what many protesters aim at. Corruption in Iraq is caused by the lack of religiosity, not the other way. 

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2 minutes ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

I’m pretty sure they aren’t, considering the fact that they’ve been living in Iraq their entire lives. My well known family gave many martyrs to this soil, from before the Saddam to Daesh. Nobody accepts the current state of affairs in Iraq, but we won’t support Westernised, secular anti-Islamic regime either and it seems like this is what many protesters aim at. Corruption in Iraq is caused by the lack of religiosity, not the other way. 

The ignorance of Iraqi people truly make the country worse and corruption.

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1 minute ago, Abu Nur said:

The ignorance of Iraqi people truly make the country worse and corruption.

Agreed, that’s why we should be left to ourselves to govern our own country. Unfortunately too many players are battling out their own agenda in Iraq and this is what causes mayhem. Anyways, if the protests won’t cease, another war is on the horizon. Such is our reality. We all got used to it. Wassalam

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On 5/30/2020 at 5:04 AM, OrthodoxTruth said:

I’m pretty sure they aren’t, considering the fact that they’ve been living in Iraq their entire lives. My well known family gave many martyrs to this soil, from before the Saddam to Daesh. Nobody accepts the current state of affairs in Iraq, but we won’t support Westernised, secular anti-Islamic regime either and it seems like this is what many protesters aim at. Corruption in Iraq is caused by the lack of religiosity, not the other way. 

You are absolutely clueless what Protester wants. They dont want ANTI-Islamic regime. They want state that actually cares about their people. Its the Pro Iranian Shia power house that have allowed corruption for over 20 years period of time. All of them combined have a  165 seats which is consider by majority by Iraqi constitutions. Its them who have power to craft laws that will fight for corruption, Reforming the system and expanding the economy. They have done nothing for over  20 years. So basically the religious Shia majority government and their supporters have failed Iraqis. Not vica versa. If the shia thinks corruption is haram then stop voting for Hakimi, Maliki, Hadi or Sadr. They have allowed it. There is no other excuses. 

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5 hours ago, hasanhh said:

l do not want to be "cared about" by gov't. l want a competent administrators.

This what I  basically mean. Competed administrator cares about people. What is even point of government if you dont care about your own people? People that dont care about competence. They are only interested on stealing.

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On 6/3/2020 at 7:13 AM, Guest Sunshine said:

This what I  basically mean. Competed administrator cares about people. What is even point of government if you dont care about your own people? People that dont care about competence. They are only interested on stealing.

We are using the word "care" differently. l mean l do not want nanny-state care any more than nanny pelosi.

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21 hours ago, hasanhh said:

We are using the word "care" differently. l mean l do not want nanny-state care any more than nanny pelosi.

Why you are even comparing America to Iraq? Iraq is below to America. If people think we have better here in Iraq. They are lying. 

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Ayatollah Modarresi:‎

Positions maintained only by working for God, solving people’s problems

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AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): Referring to the need to avoid partisanship, an Iraqi source of emulation said that ‎maintaining political positions is only possible by working for God and solving the people’s ‎problems.‎

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Muhammad-Taqi al-Husayni al-Modarresi, an Iraqi source of ‎emulation based in Najaf, referred to the officials in this country and said, “Some people ‎forget the problems of the people when they come to power and only deal with personal ‎issues and gather their relatives and allies with the aim of maintaining their self-appointed ‎position, unaware that maintaining it is only possible by working for God and solving the ‎problems of the people.”‎

His Eminence continued, “It has been seventeen years since the new government took the ‎place of the Ba’thist regime in Iraq, and this period was enough to take care of the country ‎and organize its affairs. In addition, there is a large budget, but quotas and partisanship, ‎along with the spread of corruption, prevented the organization of affairs. However, many ‎countries have been able to reorganize with a low budget and a short amount of time.”‎

In another part of his speech, Ayatollah al-Modarresi stressed the need for the Iraqi people ‎to return to their original culture, which demonstrates peace among all sections of society, ‎and added, “The successive crises that have engulfed Iraq, such as the dictatorship of the ‎previous regime, the American occupation, terrorism and the economic recession, have led ‎to a culture of pessimism and hostility from the mercenary media to create conflict among ‎members of society.”‎

He added, “We must repent and, as God has commanded us, we must coexist peacefully ‎and not try to dominate over each other and avoid using bad language.”‎

https://en.abna24.com/news//positions-maintained-only-by-working-for-god-solving-people’s-problems_1045654.html

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