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2 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam at first motivation of all protesters was working in a governmental post or something like it also they don't like privatization , they just want a monthly wage from government .

Socialism is a sickness that causes people to be dependant on the basics. I am not a free marketer nor a socialist.  

But the Iraqi people unfortunately,

Don't like any solution that the government presents them. 

They are anti-government for the sake of anti-government. Where has this led to Libya.

This is exactly how the Muslims treated our Master Ali bin Abi Tailb.(عليه السلام)

If they do not accept compromise, and go back to their homes, Allah will send them another Hajjaj ibn Yusuf.

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20 minutes ago, azizaliallah said:

Socialism is a sickness that causes people to be dependant on the basics. I am not a free marketer nor a socialist.  

But the Iraqi people unfortunately,

Don't like any solution that the government presents them. 

They are anti-government for the sake of anti-government. Where has this led to Libya.

This is exactly how the Muslims treated our Master Ali bin Abi Tailb.(عليه السلام)

If they do not accept compromise, and go back to their homes, Allah will send them another Hajjaj ibn Yusuf.

The job of governments is to represent the will of the populas, not to negotiate with the populas for "compromise". Do what the people say, that's your job.

All they ask for is an independent government that can tackle unemployment and lack of basic services.

A country with trillions of dollars worth of oil wealth cannot look like its still 1873 with the most disgusting infrastructure, the roads and rivers look like garbage, and the electricity stops at certain hours.

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1 hour ago, azizaliallah said:

Socialism is a sickness that causes people to be dependant on the basics. I am not a free marketer nor a socialist.  

But the Iraqi people unfortunately,

Don't like any solution that the government presents them. 

They are anti-government for the sake of anti-government. Where has this led to Libya.

This is exactly how the Muslims treated our Master Ali bin Abi Tailb.(عليه السلام)

If they do not accept compromise, and go back to their homes, Allah will send them another Hajjaj ibn Yusuf.

They are still under affect of Baathi's poison that was based on communism & socialism but even in Iran people are seeking for a governmental job because from Time of Shah & Saddam (la) having governmental jobs in mind of people is equal to having a a good income  with stable situation with having a share in oil money but history Iraqis is full of betraying good leaders like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) & welcoming evil & ruthless leaders like ISIS leaders that future Hajjab ibn Yusuf will be Sufyani (la) that will be last evil leader that Iraq will welcome him after that Iraq will ask help of Imam Mahdi (aj) & Iran intervention as army of Imam.

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26 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

The job of governments is to represent the will of the populas, not to negotiate with the populas for "compromise". Do what the people say, that's your job.

All they ask for is an independent government that can tackle unemployment and lack of basic services.

A country with trillions of dollars worth of oil wealth cannot look like its still 1873 with the most disgusting infrastructure, the roads and rivers look like garbage, and the electricity stops at certain hours.

I'm sorry to inform you this, don't blame the government for the situation Iraq find themselves in. 

Electricity is a public utility.

Garbage disposals a public utility. 

Water is a public utility. 

Infrastructure and roads are all public utilities. 

Time to privatize these Public Utilities. 

Reduce government spending. Privatize the oil industry. Cut red tape. 

And fire the entire public sector . The government should not have more than 1 million people working in all public sector services. It has nearly eight million public sector employees, out of the workforce of 24 million. How do you run a proper economy when everybody is a Bureaucrat. 

If 7 million unemployed, you have 8 million in the public sector, and you have eight million in the private sector and most people in the private sector don’t work full time? 

Are you going to run a proper economy? 

This is why Iraqi protesters are demanding jobs. 

They looked onto to the state for the for everything so they blame the state for everything.

Iraqis don't understand free-market principles, so they elect socialist politicians to a parliamentary government, then they are upset because they didnt elect the prime minister.  Lol ultimate face palm. 

The will of the population is acting like a mob, it becomes the responsibility of the government to provide leadership to guide their people to practical Solutions, not the revolution. 

This is why Zionists can kick arabs out of our land and this is why america can occupy Iraq.

Arabs remind the entire world why we are stupid. 

 

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58 minutes ago, azizaliallah said:

I'm sorry to inform you this, don't blame the government for the situation Iraq find themselves in. 

Electricity is a public utility.

Garbage disposals a public utility. 

Water is a public utility. 

Infrastructure and roads are all public utilities. 

Time to privatize these Public Utilities. 

Reduce government spending. Privatize the oil industry. Cut red tape. 

And fire the entire public sector . The government should not have more than 1 million people working in all public sector services. It has nearly eight million public sector employees, out of the workforce of 24 million. How do you run a proper economy when everybody is a Bureaucrat. 

If 7 million unemployed, you have 8 million in the public sector, and you have eight million in the private sector and most people in the private sector don’t work full time? 

Are you going to run a proper economy? 

This is why Iraqi protesters are demanding jobs. 

They looked onto to the state for the for everything so they blame the state for everything.

Iraqis don't understand free-market principles, so they elect socialist politicians to a parliamentary government, then they are upset because they didnt elect the prime minister.  Lol ultimate face palm. 

The will of the population is acting like a mob, it becomes the responsibility of the government to provide leadership to guide their people to practical Solutions, not the revolution. 

This is why Zionists can kick arabs out of our land and this is why america can occupy Iraq.

Arabs remind the entire world why we are stupid. 

 

Listen I also believe in downgrading the public sector, we don't need all these people in the public sector. We need to support the private sector and also allow for international investment. We need to tackle the partisan sectarian corrupt bureaucracy that uses oil wealth for their personal benefits. I believe Iraq needs privatisation and economic liberalism.

But to argue we need to privatise our oil sector and our utilities is a joke to me. Look around Iraq, you will see Gulf countries with a nationalised oil sector paying for healthcare, education, infrastructure and utilities. And they are doing quite well. And indeed, most of their economy is privatised.

So I agree with some of what you say, but I don't believe in full privatisation. We do however need to lessen our public spending big time, and downsize our national budget, and starting with privatising much of the public sector workforce. That I very much agree with.

Finally, the munafiq Islamist political elite will never allow for a free market nationalist to break up their hold on power. The new generation in Iraq leading the current revolution understand this very well. It is the political elite that love this centralised economy, not the new generation of Iraqis.

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2 hours ago, azizaliallah said:

Socialism is a sickness that causes people to be dependant on the basics.

One problem with socialism is that its modern conceptualizations are rooted in late 18th and early 19th Centuries in a societal view dominated by feudalism with elements of serfdom and slavery.

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6 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

 

Finally, the munafiq Islamist political elite will never allow for a free market nationalist to break up their hold on power. The new generation in Iraq leading the current revolution understand this very well.

Iraq is beyond repair right now, because the protesters are paralyzing the government. Akhi wallahi I don't understand our people. 

The Iraqi people.

They are the ones that vote the Socialists and islamists and nationalists to power, but its poltical elites who practice free Marketeering amongst their friends, at the expense of the common Iraqi. The country is corrupt .

That's because the Iraqi people have dedicated to much decision-making powers to them. 

Okay great you have the Iraqis out on the streets, no problem they want change. But look at what they are asking. They are asking for revolution and more jobs. This is not going to end well.  Iraqi is starting to look like 1979 Iran and mix a communist revolution boiling underneath.

Hopefully I am wrong and at least this creates a climate of change. 

But it is upon the Iraqi people to push for better governance, not by voting Demagogues in but by understanding what proper government is .

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15 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

One problem with socialism is that its modern conceptualizations are rooted in late 18th and early 19th Centuries in a societal view dominated by feudalism with elements of serfdom and 

 We don't need kufar Europeans people to teach us how to share amongst ourselves. 

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14 minutes ago, azizaliallah said:

 We don't need kufar Europeans people to teach us how to share amongst ourselves. 

0kay, but l am missing how your reply intersects with my post.

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

0kay, but l am missing how your reply intersects with my post.

Me personally after reading the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, Voltaire,Karl Marx, Frederick Nietzsche and the list goes on and on and on I studied in the West I learned that most of our problem is us trying to Reconcile their tradition with our tradition and it's just messed up. 

So when people bring up European Western thought , I like to toss it to the trash bin of history. Because we are an Islamic Nation we have our own ideas we have our own thoughts and we will come up with our own Solutions. And we will produce our own leaders our own intellectuals our own Heretics our own blasphemers our own thinkers our own radicals.  

Did you hear what the MBS The Crown stink of the kingdom of sand, said this year? 

He said" we are going to turn the region into the new Europe."

Do you think any European leader would have said we're going to turn the Eurozone into the new Arabia?

My apologies if I come off a little rough around the edges. 

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36 minutes ago, azizaliallah said:

Iraq is beyond repair right now, because the protesters are paralyzing the government. Akhi wallahi I don't understand our people. 

The Iraqi people.

They are the ones that vote the Socialists and islamists and nationalists to power, but its poltical elites who practice free Marketeering amongst their friends, at the expense of the common Iraqi. The country is corrupt .

That's because the Iraqi people have dedicated to much decision-making powers to them. 

Okay great you have the Iraqis out on the streets, no problem they want change. But look at what they are asking. They are asking for revolution and more jobs. This is not going to end well.  Iraqi is starting to look like 1979 Iran and mix a communist revolution boiling underneath.

Hopefully I am wrong and at least this creates a climate of change. 

But it is upon the Iraqi people to push for better governance, not by voting Demagogues in but by understanding what proper government is .

brother, the solution is not to demand stuff from this government. You think people trust this government and its system to demand a cent from them? The solution is to change the whole system, and begin with constitutional reform, to allow for market economics to work in the first place. 

Islamists have no future in Iraq.

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1 minute ago, Sumerian said:

brother, the solution is not to demand stuff from this government. You think people trust this government and its system to demand a cent from them? The solution is to change the whole system, and begin with constitutional reform, to allow for market economics to work in the first place. 

Islamists have no future in Iraq.

Islamist have no future in Iraq wishful thinking. 

It's like saying evangelicals have no future in American politics.

OR wahabism has no future in Saudi Arabia.

Or Buddhism has no future in Thailand.

Islam in the Islamic world has major role to play now, tomorrow, and yesterday.

Islamist politicians have a future in the region.

What I worry about the Revolution and Civil War that will mostly develop thanks the kurds in the north and para militaries in the south. 

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31 minutes ago, azizaliallah said:

So when people bring up European Western thought , I like to toss it to the trash bin of history

A lot of it l do also. Socialism, Deism and such.

But your comment does relate to another point. Until the 20th Century and dominantly thereafter, the Religion was the state in most Muslim countries. The West has done all it can to destroy that. At the same time, the situation is the same as l critiqued the Taliban 20+ years ago: they do not have a program of administration, taxation or anything else. An absence of ideas or models.

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1 hour ago, azizaliallah said:

Islamist have no future in Iraq wishful thinking. 

It's like saying evangelicals have no future in American politics.

OR wahabism has no future in Saudi Arabia.

Or Buddhism has no future in Thailand.

Islam in the Islamic world has major role to play now, tomorrow, and yesterday.

Islamist politicians have a future in the region.

What I worry about the Revolution and Civil War that will mostly develop thanks the kurds in the north and para militaries in the south. 

Islam has a role to play, without the corrupt Islamists. I want Islamic Law applied in Iraq, I don't want turbanheads controlling the economy like they just done a economics course in Harvard.

There is no future for the Islamists and their parties. You can count on it. 

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2 hours ago, azizaliallah said:

 We don't need kufar Europeans people to teach us how to share amongst ourselves. 

Just take full advantage of all the science, technology and their way of life then label them 'kufar Europeans'.

And quickly cry discrimination and racism when ignorant 'Europeans' throw labels at you. 

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20 Feb 20 article/report

Dozens of Protesters Shot with Hunting Rifles

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/46162/Security-forces-hit-dozens-of-protesters-with-hunting-rifles-IWDC

lWDC = lraqi Warcrimes Documentation Center

ln other news, lraq closing its borders with lran, flights cancelled. (COVlD-19)

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You'd expect this from the Saudi and Kuwaiti satraps, but disappointing behaviour from the Iraqis:

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According to its post on Facebook, at least 55 vehicles, including tanks and engineer equipment, entered the province from Iraq. 

The US-led coalition has been fighting against the Daesh* terrorist organisation in Syria and Iraq since 2014. In Syria, the presence of the coalition has not been authorised either by the country's government or by the UN Security Council's mandate.

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/46091/More-Than-Fifty-US-Military-Vehicles-Reportedly-Arrive-in-Syria-From-Iraq

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Some gemeral, opinionated readings:

Brcause of Sadr:  https://www.npr.org/2020/02/21/807725624/iraqs-powerful-protests-forced-political-change-now-they-re-nearly-crushed 

Yet these two articles separately challenge this preceeding: 

Protests still invigorated:  https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/02/Iraq-nasiriyah-protests-identity.html 

Gov't in deadlock-no change:  https://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2020/02/21/no-solution-for-political-deadlock-in-protest-hit-Iraq 

And so it goes . . . on . . . and on . . . and

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Four PMU factions known to be close to top Shiite cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani have expressed their objection to Mohammadawi's appointment, calling upon all PMU factions to integrate into state forces under the command of the prime minister as commander in chief of the armed forces. They are the Al-Abbas combat division, the Ali Akbar Brigade, the Imam Ali Division and the Ansar Marhaia Brigade. 
 

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/02/Iraq-Iran-soleimani-pmu.html#ixzz6EpvnOMr5

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On 2/18/2020 at 8:22 AM, azizaliallah said:

Socialism is a sickness that causes people to be dependant on the basics. I am not a free marketer nor a socialist.

But then you state:

On 2/18/2020 at 9:29 AM, azizaliallah said:

Time to privatize these Public Utilities. 

Reduce government spending. Privatize the oil industry. Cut red tape. 

And fire the entire public sector . The government should not have more than 1 million people working in all public sector services. It has nearly eight million public sector employees, out of the workforce of 24 million. How do you run a proper economy when everybody is a Bureaucrat. 

Iraqis don't understand free-market principles, so they elect socialist politicians to a parliamentary government, then they are upset because they didnt elect the prime minister.

You seem to be advocating (Islamic) free-market liberalism in your second post.

By “liberalism,” I mean economic liberalism on the basis of Islam, not the West.

Also, during the Iranian Revolution, wasn’t much of the economy nationalised?

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4 hours ago, Northwest said:

But then you state:

You seem to be advocating (Islamic) free-market liberalism in your second post.

By “liberalism,” I mean economic liberalism on the basis of Islam, not the West.

Also, during the Iranian Revolution, wasn’t much of the economy nationalised?

I'm not a socialist or a free-marketer on an ideological basis.

If you see me advocating some aspects of socialism, or some aspects of free markets, it's because I am advocating for them from a practical sense not an ideological sense.

And another thing Iraqi's don't understand the socialism either.

And the Iranian Revolution nationalized many Industries, and took them out of the hands of the Americans and since then the Iranian officials are smart enough to have cultivated levels of privatization that they see necessary to maintain a balanced economy.

 

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While Reutrs is reporting 1] alleged 'alliance' forged in Qom between Sadr and lran, and 2]Sadr calls on supporters to suspend protests and gatherings because of C0VlD-19; the protests have spread to Kurdistan:

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/47177/Iraqi-Kurds-rally-against-corruption-of-ruling-elite 

 

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Iraq’s PM designate withdraws candidacy

Allawi asked the Iraqi presidency to excuse him from forming a new government in a speech on Sunday.

He added that he made the decision after seeing that "certain political factions are not yet ready reform" and that continuing his tenure under such circumstances would run contrary to his promises to the Iraqi people.

Allawi's withdrawal comes a few hours after Iraq’s parliament failed to reach a quorum necessary to hold a vote-of-confidence session for Allawi’s new government for a third time in a week.

A few hours after the resignation was announced in the early hours of Monday, media reports claimed that two blasts were heard from rockets targeting "US assets" in the Iraqi capital's "Green Zone".

In recent months the fortified zone has been repeatedly targeted by Katyusha rockets by unknown parties.

https://en.abna24.com/news//Iraq’s-pm-designate-withdraws-candidacy_1014348.html

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91 Cases in Kurdistan.

China has sent equipment and help.

0n 22March tens-of-thousands ignored curfew  to visit lmam Musa's shrine.

Medicin sans Frontiers expelled for "spying".

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