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6 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

What is wrong with Private sector? If we had private sector. Iraqi could create more jobs. We cannot rely on Oil/Public sector combination forever. We need huge  economic growth. We need capitalism and mixed with  Socialist polices that helps the poor people. This best model Iraq should go for.

Nothing wrong with it but they need it to be well regulated to ensure they protect worker rights and stuff, and you need foreign investors to be accountable to Iraqi law and you need to ensure that they pay proper taxes, etc. Economy will grow with a private sector no doubt, but you need the growth to trickle down to all facets of society, often privatization with no regulation means only a select few will benefit, so the growth won't reach every one in society, you need to ensure you have laws against exploiting workers etc. 

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This whole peotests in Iraq, Lebanon and Iran is only escalated due to enemies of Islam finding opportunities to pour gas on the fire. This isn't about Iran or Iraq's sovereignty or gas prices. They,

What's the worst that can happen in the wordly sense? One can die.What's better for Akhira than dying on the ziyarat of Imam al-Husayn (عليه السلام)? Don't give up the chance. Who knows if we might ev

I think best for Iraq would be to split the country in three new countries. One predominantly Sunni Arab, the other predominantly Shia Arab and the last one predominantly kurd.

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10 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

 Iraq has soo many opportunities to growth its economy. We don’t have private sector..No foreign investment. No banking, No manufacturing.. We have huge  agricultural potential. We have huge tourism potential. We have huge natural gas resources that we could product and sell and boost our electricity system. All of these economic opportunities are stalled by High amount of corruption and bad security system.... I wish one day we get rid of these corrupt elites..  Such a  wasted potential... It makes me very sad.

There was huge infrastructure plans in motion, at least for the energy sector. The recent riots and subsequently the disbandment of any type of serious governmentship has canceled all plans.

Corruption will never end as long as people expect it to end with someone else instead of themselves.

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1 hour ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

There was huge infrastructure plans in motion, at least for the energy sector. The recent riots and subsequently the disbandment of any type of serious governmentship has canceled all plans.

Corruption will never end as long as people expect it to end with someone else instead of themselves.

Yea they should have waited for those "plans" to come to works. Bruv, been through, done that. Never worked, never will with this political class. Solution? Top to bottom reform, from constitutional to foreign influence to  the economy, and to throw out all the old faces that have been in the political scene since 2003.

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On 12/25/2019 at 4:16 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_reform_of_Iraq. It is true that not much ended up happening, but the plan to completely eliminate the state and replace it with private contractors was on the agenda, one of the main contracts was awarded to Bechtel, but they ended up not doing much in the way of repairing Iraqi sewage. The contractors mainly ended up doing security work, because the war ended up being so bad, there were at one point more private military contractors in Iraq than there were coalition soldiers. I believe that may still be the case today. 

I recall reading about the failure of contractors in rebuilding Iraq. Some contractors suggested that heavy plundering disabled their ability to utilize certain facilities, combined with missile damaged infrastructure, it was too much to handle.

At the same time though, I'm pretty sure it was the pentagon's interest to damage infrastructure to the extent that it would be beyond repair anyway (at least for a decade or so).

And rather than having police officers trained in how to regulate society in subjectively moral ways, we've been attempting to use soldiers to police society, who are trained for combat and war (understandably so given the environment, but it's not ideal to put a soldier in place of a civil servant).

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8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Nothing wrong with it but they need it to be well regulated to ensure they protect worker rights and stuff, and you need foreign investors to be accountable to Iraqi law and you need to ensure that they pay proper taxes, etc. Economy will grow with a private sector no doubt, but you need the growth to trickle down to all facets of society, often privatization with no regulation means only a select few will benefit, so the growth won't reach every one in society, you need to ensure you have laws against exploiting workers etc. 

Of course but right now Iraqi private sector has old Saddam era regulations and the business freedom is too much restricted which is affecting the private sector. Not only we need fix the security problem and corruption but we need also overhaul our economic system and laws. Top Iraq parties does not want private sector because it would make people more independent. I mean if there was huge Private sector.. People don’t need rely on big parties funding from public sector.. This would be disaster for elites. 

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3 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

There was huge infrastructure plans in motion, at least for the energy sector. The recent riots and subsequently the disbandment of any type of serious governmentship has canceled all plans.

Corruption will never end as long as people expect it to end with someone else instead of themselves.

No. The current protest has not canceled anything. Abdul Mahdi is still care taker even if there no PM. These policies does not get canceled just like that. You are totally wrong blaming people for corruption. We have tried to fight corruption for many decades but our law are so bad that it will always give power for these rich and powerful elites. The election law is scam.. The constitutions is scam.. The judicial system is scam. When you have so many scam system you can exploit everything with huge amount of cash and militants. These same laws also restrict independent candidate to win any major seat in parliament. When you have huge militants.. You can attack and burn down ballot boxes.. When you have militants you can scare people and force people to vote. You can bribe poor people to vote. You can hire corrupt judges, You can attack and break any law system if you have militants. Remember when the so called Unknown militants killed  over 30 people in near Tahrir square?... They where there 3 hours  straight shooting them. Where are they now? They are free........

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21 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

 

It is strange to me that you would trust a fallible scholar to affect your eternity by following their definitions of haram and halal which is what you do when you do taqlid.

The ‘fallible scholars’ already have a general consensus on the definitions of haram and halal. It’s the little details here and there they differ on. 

 

21 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

But you would not trust a fallible scholar to affect your temporary life by following rules they would make regarding proper clothing in school/public or even something as trafic laws which are all laws regulating society (politics).

Proper clothing in school/public is something the scholar of taqleed already guides society on. He doesn’t need to be in politics for that. 

Traffic laws are not the job of a scholar of faith. There are professionals in their respective fields who can manage and regulate traffic and the general day to day smooth running of a jurisdiction.

 

21 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Have you really thought this through?

Your attempt at justifying the fallible scholar in politics is not working because the issue is not about minor day to day bylaws. It’s about major and foreign policies that a scholar would engage in which could go against everything Islam stands for and that’s where the problem is. 

This by the way also highly affects my ‘eternity’ because if his policies are Baatil and I support him then I would be supporting Baatil. 

The result would tarnishing the image of the Shia faith as well as a bunch of 'faithful' supporting Baatil. Is there a more serious Fitnah than this?

That’s what’s unacceptable and that’s why a scholar in religious attire should steer away from politics. 

Perhaps you haven't 'really thought this through' :) 

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7 hours ago, Moalfas said:

The ‘fallible scholars’ already have a general consensus on the definitions of haram and halal. It’s the little details here and there they differ on. 

You mentioned that scholars have a general consensus on concepts of halal and Haram.

What if a government were led by many scholars who could then make a consensus on decisions. Would you then accept scholars in political positions?

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Wow. Iraq is in a mess. But you ain't seen nothin yet. There's going to be a power vacuum soon or a big coup or something like that. Because it's disintegrating before our eyes. Corruption is going to be the good ol'days compared to what's comin up. 

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Earlier tonight on PBS News Hour  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-iraqs-government-has-been-unable-to-find-a-new-prime-minister  reported that (again) President Salih has threatened to resign, this time over the new prime minister designee.

Now, breaknings news, Salih has submitted his resignation:  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/45210/Breaking-Iraqi-President-Submits-Resignation-to-Parl-t 

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4 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Turns out Barham is more of a man than the others. 

My advice: follow the advice of Sayyed Sistani, and call for a new election.

Yeah this is best thing they should do but even if the new election will put in progress. It will take sometimes to create because of new election law. It  can take months or in worst case scenario year. Problem right now is that Falah block does not take the protester seriously.. Thats why they are trying  elect crooked Pm in position. They are playing with fire and wasting a lot of time to saving  their empire.

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13 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

You mentioned that scholars have a general consensus on concepts of halal and Haram.

What if a government were led by many scholars who could then make a consensus on decisions. Would you then accept scholars in political positions?

I'm against the notion of a person in religious attire in political positions. 

Only in the government of the Imam AJF and under his orders would that be acceptable. Otherwise, take off the religious attire and do what you want. Not in the name of the faith. 

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7 hours ago, Sumerian said:

My advice: follow the advice of Sayyed Sistani, and call for a new election.

In a country where armed groups run amok by intimidating, kidnapping, assassinating and massacaring citizens with impunity; how can one guarantee clean and transparent elections? 

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4 hours ago, Moalfas said:

I'm against the notion of a person in religious attire in political positions. 

Only in the government of the Imam AJF and under his orders would that be acceptable. Otherwise, take off the religious attire and do what you want. Not in the name of the faith. 

I agree.

 

For me, I think the reason that religious leaders shouldn't be in positions of politics, much like the founding fathers suggested, religious governance often seems to lead to management in subjectively bias ways, which inevitably leads to pseudo forms of oppression or treatment of others as second-hand citizens. 

I'm willing to bet that even for Iran, there is a destined conflict awaiting (although they still attempt to separate church and state to some degree).

I recall when Iranians made that Farrell "happy" video, and were imprisoned and lashed for it.

I think that this is a microcosm of a pending conflict, awaiting politicians to get tired of blaming the west for their troubles.

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Iraqi President tenders resignation to parliament

https://en.abna24.com/news//Iraqi-president-tenders-resignation-to-parliament_996666.html

December 26, 2019 - 5:14 PM News Code : 996666 Source : FNALink: 

Iraqi President tenders resignation to parliament

 

Iraqi President Barham Salih sent his letter of resignation to the parliament on Thursday to open up for public choice after protests over unemployment and low-quality public services.

Arabic-language TV channel Al-Mayadin reported on Thursday that Barham Salih has declared his decision to resign from his post as Iraq's president.

Refusing to name prime minister, Salih has sent his resignation letter from the Presidency to the Iraqi parliament, according to reports, but it is not yet clear whether the parliament will accept his resignation.

"By submitting my resignation, I affirm that the political and parliamentary movement must reflect the popular will," the Iraqi president wrote in his letter.

It came just weeks after Iraq’s parliament had approved the resignation of Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi.

Iraq's Hashd al-Sha’abi repels Daesh attack on Samarra

https://en.abna24.com/news//iraqs-hashd-al-sha’abi-repels-daesh-attack-on-samarra_996717.html

December 27, 2019 - 3:38 PM News Code : 996717 Source : Press TVLink: 

Iraq's Hashd al-Sha’abi repels Daesh attack on Samarra

 

The Popular Mobilization Units (PMU), better known by their Arabic name Hashd al-Sha’abi, says it has fought off an attack by the Daesh terrorist group against an area south of the Iraqi city of Samarra.

In a statement on Friday, the Hashd al-Sha’abi said the Daesh elements were trying to infiltrate through Tal al-Zahab region, south of Samarra, and block a strategic road to the city of al-Balad and the Shrine of Syed Muhammad bin Imam Hadi.

However, it added, the terrorists were detected with the use of thermal cameras, and the Hashd al-Sha’abi forces repelled their offensive.

Earlier this month, the Hashd al-Sha’abi deployed massive forces in Diyala province near Iran's border to counter Daesh terrorists in joint operations with the Iraqi army.

The move came after Daesh terrorists attacked an important oil-rich area east of the province on the Iraqi-Iranian border.

Several members of the popular forces were killed and wounded in the terrorist attack on the city of Diyala.

It was the biggest deployment of PMU in the region since 2003 to counter the threat of Daesh.

 

In another attack this month, at least seven fighters from the Hashd al-Sha'abi lost their lives and several others sustained injuries when a massive bomb explosion struck their convoy in Iraq’s north-central province of Salahuddin.

There were no immediate claims of responsibility for the attack, but such assaults bear the hallmark of the Daesh Takfiri terrorist group.

Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi stressed on November 5 last year that efforts were underway to find financial sources to support Hashd al-Sha’abi forces.

“Maintaining Hashd al-Sha’abi is one of our most important duties, and I strongly support its presence. There are those who are trying to say that Hashd al-Sha’abi is temporary, but I emphasize that such a force is a necessity,” Abdul-Mahdi said.

Hashd al-Sha’abi fighters have played a major role in the liberation of Daesh-held areas to the south, northeast and north of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, ever since the terrorists launched an offensive in the country, overrunning vast swathes in lightning attacks.

In November 2016, the Iraqi parliament voted to integrate Hashd al-Sha’abi, which was formed shortly after the emergence of Daesh, into the military.

Former Iraqi prime minister Haider al-Abadi declared the end of military operations against Daesh in the country on December 9, 2017.

 

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15 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

recall when Iranians made that Farrell "happy" video, and were imprisoned and lashed for I

they just detained for few hours (for investigation) & released after paying collateral fee lesser than one day but BBC  & other anti Iran media exaggerated about this process like as Yellow pages by turning detention to imprisoning & making false lashing story.

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4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

they just detained for few hours (for investigation) & released after paying collateral fee lesser than one day but BBC  & other anti Iran media exaggerated about this process like as Yellow pages by turning detention to imprisoning & making false lashing story.

What's ironic is that you think the act of imprisonment was justified, with or without the lashes.

Do you think their arrests were justified, with or without the lashes?

Iran has a lot of issues, as do other religiously lead countries like Saudi Arabia, in regards to policies enforced on the people.

Its own leaders and conservative Shia wouldn't see things like the arrests and/or lashings of the "happy song" dancers as a bad thing. But really it is a microcosm of a much larger pending conflict between true religious freedom and second-hand pseudo-free treatment of non-Shia under religious political control.

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https://iranwire.com/en/features/598

Countless sources indicate that they were sentenced to 6-months to a year in prison and lashings.

Further sources indicate that they posted bail and had a 3 year probation period.

For something as minor as making a YouTube pharell video, it's a pretty extreme response, as per the laws of just about any other modern nation except perhaps Saudi arabia and some third world African countries.

This isn't the early 1900s either. This happened a few years ago.

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17 hours ago, hasanhh said:

There is good reason why they did reject it because if they really get rid of Barham. This situation would get actually worse. The thing Barham did was just symbolic. PMU is also in north. Qaizalis thugs has bombed the Usa bases many times in  Bagdad  ...Are they also Isis? Its really comical that these Iran backed militants always get free pass for everything they do. They kill protester in Baghdad? Nah they were just some unknown 3rd party. Militants burning down ballot boxes?.. Nah they where just some unknown 3rd militants.  Every bad things happens in Iraq are Usa master plan. blaa blaa blaa........Meanwhile these same people are destroying Iraq inside and out.

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:shock:  :worried: The military media does not know the "status" of American troops in Iraq under Operation lnherent Resolve.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/12/28/senator-threatens-Iran-following-kirkuk-attack-that-spilled-American-blood/

ln the 8th paragraph.

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While the US blames lRl over a rocket attack -which lS claims- lS attacks an oil facility near Kirkuk and this:

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/45228/ISIS-kills-5-family-members-at-fake-checkpoint-in-Kirkuk 

France24 is carrying the same article, while  rfe/rl.org is also but adds news items of the last few days:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-Iraq-protests/Iraqi-protesters-shut-down-southern-nassiriya-oilfield-idUSKBN1YW0B5 

and this with other details: https://www.iraqoilreport.com/news/nassiriya-oil-field-shut-in-as-protests-block-staff-access-42337/ 

But, lraq is "tightening" oil production inline with 0PEC: https://www.iraqoilreport.com/news/facing-tighter-opec-policy-Iraq-continues-output-cuts-42316/ 

MEANWHILE, the latest political stalling: https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/Iraq/281220191 

lnhumane Deportations by USA:  https://www.npr.org/2019/12/28/790748374/u-s-steps-up-deportations-to-Iraq-despite-worsening-violence-1 

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17 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

What's ironic is that you think the act of imprisonment was justified, with or without the lashes.

Do you think their arrests were justified, with or without the lashes?

Iran has a lot of issues, as do other religiously lead countries like Saudi Arabia, in regards to policies enforced on the people.

Its own leaders and conservative Shia wouldn't see things like the arrests and/or lashings of the "happy song" dancers as a bad thing. But really it is a microcosm of a much larger pending conflict between true religious freedom and second-hand pseudo-free treatment of non-Shia under religious political control.

hi ,I cleared true news about this issue but I didn't justify their detention at that time many videos released in Iran based on ' Happy song ' video but director of this one violated from some rules that was announced to all video making offices . 

16 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

https://iranwire.com/en/features/598

Countless sources indicate that they were sentenced to 6-months to a year in prison and lashings.

Further sources indicate that they posted bail and had a 3 year probation period.

For something as minor as making a YouTube pharell video, it's a pretty extreme response, as per the laws of just about any other modern nation except perhaps Saudi arabia and some third world African countries.

This isn't the early 1900s either. This happened a few years ago.

whole of news of Iranwire is just absolute nonsense that spreads every lie about Iran based it's biased anti Iranian agenda anyway if you want to continue it post your comments in -Iran-protests-november-2019 tread

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235064552-Iran-protests-november-2019/?&page=2#comments

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5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

hi ,I cleared true news about this issue but I didn't justify their detention at that time many videos released in Iran based on ' Happy song ' video but director of this one violated from some rules that was announced to all video making offices . 

 

So you agree that their arrest, and sentencing to lashings over the video were unjustified?

And sure, we can move the discussion.

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18 hours ago, hasanhh said:

While the US blames lRl over a rocket attack -which lS claims- lS attacks an oil facility near Kirkuk and this:

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/45228/ISIS-kills-5-family-members-at-fake-checkpoint-in-Kirkuk 

France24 is carrying the same article, while  rfe/rl.org is also but adds news items of the last few days:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-Iraq-protests/Iraqi-protesters-shut-down-southern-nassiriya-oilfield-idUSKBN1YW0B5 

and this with other details: https://www.iraqoilreport.com/news/nassiriya-oil-field-shut-in-as-protests-block-staff-access-42337/ 

But, lraq is "tightening" oil production inline with 0PEC: https://www.iraqoilreport.com/news/facing-tighter-opec-policy-Iraq-continues-output-cuts-42316/ 

MEANWHILE, the latest political stalling: https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/Iraq/281220191 

lnhumane Deportations by USA:  https://www.npr.org/2019/12/28/790748374/u-s-steps-up-deportations-to-Iraq-despite-worsening-violence-1 

If Isis attacked Usa base they would not benefit anything strategically... The PMU and other militants are in Kirkurk. As I have said before Iran backed  militants has been attacking Usa bases for before.. They just did this again in Baghdad right now after  Usa bombed their bases and killed over 20 people. They want this to escalate so they can morally Attack Usa and put Iraq in another mess and end the protest movement.

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Yarrrabi !    :cry:   The US attacked the Iraqi Army.

https://news.yahoo.com/us-strikes-Iran-backed-militia-190607070.html

One strike was near al-Qaim on the Syrian Border, occupied by Hashd Shaabi, the 45th Brigade of the Iraqi Army --activated July 2019.  'Hashd Sha'abi' is a unit name like "Big Red One" is for the First Division.

Meanwhile, 4 Katyushas rockets hit a US troop locaation north of Baghdad at al-Taji on Sunday.[source: Xinhuanet]

A comment l read elsewhere asked who was this "contractor"? Was he logistical support or a mercenary?

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Are Iranian militia serving in place of the Iraqi army? ^

The article suggests that the US response was in regards to an attack on a "K1 camp in kurkuk" which houses Iraqi soldiers.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/12/28/several-American-troops-wounded-and-a-us-contractor-killed-in-rocket-attack-on-kirkuk-base/

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6 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

If Isis attacked Usa base they would not benefit anything strategically... The PMU and other militants are in Kirkurk. As I have said before Iran backed  militants has been attacking Usa bases for before.. They just did this again in Baghdad right now after  Usa bombed their bases and killed over 20 people. They want this to escalate so they can morally Attack Usa and put Iraq in another mess and end the protest movement.

No basis of truth in what you have written.  You are the mouth piece of enemies. 

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