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5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

the joker is a favorite character between Iraqis & Lebanon based America influence that wants total chaos in both countries also I don't think that Iran safe but can manage these situation better because Iran has more expedience & people of Iran are more logical because it was predicted by Iranian analyzers that are trying to give information & education to Iranians .

Its really sad that some people have this thinking. Our country are mid of collapse but some people think this is some Joker movement that want burn this country down for sake of West.  America are only supporting this movement because  its fueling  their  foreign policy plan but we did not ask their help. They are sanctioning Iraqi government members and militants at their own command. This whole protester was caused by High corruption and 16 years of mismanagement and no development. People gave them 16 years to fix Iraq but they have only made our country worse. If you think we are pro American you are deadly wrong. We support good ties and partnership but we only want Iraqis to rule Iraq. Is this so much to ask?

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Just now, Guest Sunshine said:

We support good ties and partnership but...

No one except Israel and Saudi-Arabia can have good ties and partnership with the United States. The US will even stab their friends in the back. Not even Europeans are safe. So my advice would be; don't even think about going down that road.

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5 hours ago, hasanhh said:

The US always had these and we do not have any problem.

US has a powerful enough military and police force to fight in case the militias go rogue.

In the case of Iraq, they're already rogue, have influence in the government, and more powerful than the Army itself.

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3 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

No one except Israel and Saudi-Arabia can have good ties and partnership with the United States. The US will even stab their friends in the back. Not even Europeans are safe. So my advice would be; don't even think about going down that road.

It depends of President. Thats why you cannot  trust them much. My point is we should still have peaceful relationship with them. Going against country that almost own the world economy is no wise thing to do. They will sanction you to stone age and people will suffer too much. Its not worth the price. 

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Today will be very large protest in Tahrir square. More than 1 million of attend are expected and many people will come from south to gather in Tahrir square.. This happens when you start killing innocent people. This is always case with protester. They will became stronger and stronger.  I just hope we will not see any bloodshed.

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8 hours ago, Sumerian said:

lol Iraqi forces can’t control the militias at all. They're above the law. 

lf nothing else: Not on the Last Day they aren't!

Besides, the lraqi military is engaged in fighting lS. They also have heavier equipment, fragmented air support and electronic warfare capabilities.

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8 hours ago, Sumerian said:

lol Iraqi forces can’t control the militias at all. They're above the law. 

Yes they can actually control Militants. The reason why they cannot currently control it.... is because the law&Judge system is disaster and high corruption is also reason + government is now lead by militants leaders itself. We need better law system and judges.  We need nationalistic majority party. We also need stronger institutions.  Right now Iraqi government can do anything they want and they can even control the judges by bribing and hiring their own kind. The government can break constitutions in such way that nobody will prosecute them. If we had real check and balances we could get rid of every militants from street. Our country are rich enough to create powerful army.

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20 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

It depends of President

No it doesn't. The only difference with Trump is that he took of the mask. In fact some of the others is eve worse than him. They just pretend to be concerned with human rights but isn't really.

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~1300EST/2100AST(Baghdad) Tues, 10Dec19

Group A:  A "Storming" ?

https://www.shafaaq.com/en/Iraq-news/activists-launch-warnings-of-storming-the-green-zone-trap-in-baghdad/      [ed: the preposition 'of' needs to be 'about']

https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/565f44fb-f065-4c78-b55c-ac2bd07809e3 Army pledges to protest demonstrators. [Q: does that now make them a US+ target?]  A link to an article on prosecuting the killers of protesters is provided.

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/45029/High-security-alert-nationwide-as-massive-protests-expected  

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/45030/Iraq-protesters-gather-in-Baghdad-for-day-of-action  Hashtags provided TIME:0503EST

 

Group B :  Anbar Area/Political Problem(s)

5,000 battle-hardend 'true believers'(in the Kim sense) [by passing the Kurds for Baghdad?] https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/a-journey-through-the-isis-badlands-1.949421 

? "US Aims to Revive lSlL in lraq" ? https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980919000350 

"US Sending Weapons to Ein Al-Assad Base without Baghda's Knowledge" [Q: for who?] https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980919000464 

"Senior MP Lambasts US lnterference in lraq's lnternal Affairs"  https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980919000960 

US Embassy "Alert"  https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/1eade53e-7278-463f-835e-fa7695e0785b 

frmr VP Cheney -    https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/cheney-warns-disengagement-mideast-benefits-Iran-russia   "C" has to keep geo-political oil strategy viable 

APNews is only parroting one other report(rocket attack); BBC, Tass, Xinhua, NHK, France.24, dw.com, military.com and Reuters are silent, no reporting even though China has two SF companies in the area, Russia has Syrian contingent and Japan has postings n the Gulf.

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Another civil activist was killed today. Shot in head.... There are disturbing videos in twitter. Ali Al-lami was killed. These militants assassins wants silence all figure heads and of course the protest movement.. These events will make the protest movement stronger and its the anger that make people rioting in street. They are not doing it for fun and they are not doing it for America or Israel.

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14 hours ago, hasanhh said:

lf nothing else: Not on the Last Day they aren't!

Besides, the lraqi military is engaged in fighting lS. They also have heavier equipment, fragmented air support and electronic warfare capabilities.

They only have better tech and like you said, they are engaged with ISIS, in terms of actual power inside the main Shi'a cities, the militias have their own turf. And sometimes they fight each other.

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OPINE/OBSERVATION:

l noticed this last week, yet for the last two to three days, if l search "Iraq news" or any other lraq searching words, most of what comes up has to do with lRI.

Even the lead in the Baghdad Post yesterday and early today is lran under "Iraq NEWS".

Tuesday, yesterday, was the Day-of-Action. So what happened?

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Iraqi Army issues statement on anniversary of Daesh defeat

https://en.abna24.com/news//Iraqi-army-issues-statement-on-anniversary-of-daesh-defeat_992821.html

December 10, 2019 - 4:02 PM News Code : 992821 Source : IQNALink: 

Iraqi Army issues statement on anniversary of Daesh defeat

 

Iraq’s army released a statement on the second anniversary of the defeat of Daesh (ISIL or ISIS) in the country.

In the statement, Chief of Staff of the Iraqi Army Othman al-Ghanmi hailed the resistance of the Arab country’s nation and bravery of the armed forces that led to the great victory against the terrorist group.

He described the victory as a source of pride for all generations in Iraq.

Elsewhere, the top general referred to recent protests in the country and said the army supports the people and their legitimate demands.

He also regretted the deaths of a number of people and security forces in the unrest.

Former prime minister Haider al Abadi declared Daesh defeated in Iraq on December 9, 2017. The group had ruled over a self-styled caliphate, governing large parts of northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

For the past two months, protests have rocked primarily the capital city of Baghdad and southern areas of Iraq over the failing economy and demand for political and anti-corruption reforms.

 

Ammar Hakim calls for preserving victory over ISIS terrorist group

https://en.abna24.com/news//ammar-hakim-calls-for-preserving-vvictory-over-isis-terrorist-group_992838.html

December 10, 2019 - 7:19 PM News Code : 992838 Source : AlmanarLink: 

Ammar Hakim calls for preserving victory over ISIS terrorist group

 

Head of Iraq's National Wisdom Movement Sayyed Ammar Al-Hakim Tuesday congratulated all the Iraqis on the second anniversary of the victory over ISIS terrorist group, calling on them to preserve the achievement .

In a statement, Sayyed Al-Hakim described the ongoing protests stage as sensitive, recalling the epic in which the Iraqis managed to change the formula in the region by defeating the terrorist group.

Video / From the conquest of Mecca to the liberation of Tahrir Square!11 Dec. 2019 - 20: 30http: //en.abna.cc/75GrSource Code: 761671 Source: 
Abna :Finally, after two months of turmoil and insecurity in Iraq, the people's patience has come to an end, with two demonstrations and a magnificent rally on Thursday and Friday, December 5 and 6, at the Baghdad Center. The capital condemned the rioting mercenaries and declared their obedience to the authority. In the wake of the protests and the massive presence of the destruction and fire gangs, which are managed and fed by US, Israeli, Saudi and UAE security agencies. Iraqi social media likened the presence  to the conquest of Mecca in the eighth year, and the escape of the mercenaries (or Iraqis called "Asaba al-Juker", the US ambassador's gangs) to the Mecca polytheists in the great conquest of Islam.

video 'Joker gang' عصابة الجوکر  

نتیجه تصویری برای عصابة الجوکر   نتیجه تصویری برای ‪joker gang+najaf‬‏

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l am worried. lt is after 0600EST Wednesday and the latest news l can get on lraq from any site is yesterday's ~0800AST(Baghdad) kurdistan24 report that 15 were wounded in Basra.

So what is the US and its puppets doing? Gunning everyone down?

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0800EST 11Dec19

FINALLY l got some news, two items and clearly not near as bad as l feared.

Protesters kept control of the protests: https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/Iraq-protesters-accuse-political-parties-of-infiltration-attempts-1.949603 

0ne death, . . .  https://original.antiwar.com/updates/2019/12/10/Iraq-daily-roundup-one-killed-protests-continue-across-south/ --sometime yesterday

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1800EST 11Dec19  PBS News Hour  31 people were wounded in Baghdad "by security forces".

Inflammatory Headline, but reports, generally, on low-level death-squad activities and Nacht-und-Nebel operations:  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/45050/Iraq-Demonstrators-executed-by-death-squads     --PBS News Hour cited a United Nations report with similar conclusions.

 

Another PR cover:  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/45051/Salih-Pence-talk-boosting-ties-agree-on-need-to-respect-Iraqis-will 

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12 hours ago, hasanhh said:

l am worried. lt is after 0600EST Wednesday and the latest news l can get on lraq from any site is yesterday's ~0800AST(Baghdad) kurdistan24 report that 15 were wounded in Basra.

So what is the US and its puppets doing? Gunning everyone down?

Are you suggesting that the US is paying the government to gun people down?

 

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43 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

Are you suggesting that the US is paying the government to gun people down?

The US did it in Afghanistan. Task For.ce 3.7.3. . At the start of the invasion, the US/5Eyes identified just over 2k men who they "identified" as likely or real opposition towards the invaders "new Afghan world". To preclude honor and revenge killings of invaders, these assassinations were "family affairs".

There was Phoenix in Vietnam that also had this aspect.  Also, Not just backed, but directed death squads in South America. ln Iraq with its human geography problems, concrete bombs were many times used.

There's others.  it is the same "tradition" as in gunning down a Stone Age culture, a.k.a. lndians.

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42 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

The US did it in Afghanistan. Task For.ce 3.7.3. . At the start of the invasion, the US/5Eyes identified just over 2k men who they "identified" as likely or real opposition towards the invaders "new Afghan world". To preclude honor and revenge killings of invaders, these assassinations were "family affairs".

There was Phoenix in Vietnam that also had this aspect.  Also, Not just backed, but directed death squads in South America. ln Iraq with its human geography problems, concrete bombs were many times used.

There's others.  it is the same "tradition" as in gunning down a Stone Age culture, a.k.a. lndians.

This is ridiculous accusation. Usa barely have power in Iraq anymore. It is right now 90% For Iran. Its the Iranian backed  militants that are killing people and they are getting support from government because the government is filled with Iran backed clerics and generals.  Qais Al-Khazali was founder of Death squad that killed a lot of innocent people.. What in the world he is doing in the government? If you think Shia clerics cannot do ill you are completely wrong. The  current Shia religious clerics arent angels at all. There is on going  daily massacre of Journalist and civil activist and they are only  threat to Iranian backed armies and government. Its not hard know who these so called "Unknown" militants are. They are currently trying to  clean their image with conspiracy theories in social media.. Blaming Usa and Israel for everything.

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2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

The US did it in Afghanistan. Task For.ce 3.7.3. . At the start of the invasion, the US/5Eyes identified just over 2k men who they "identified" as likely or real opposition towards the invaders "new Afghan world". To preclude honor and revenge killings of invaders, these assassinations were "family affairs".

There was Phoenix in Vietnam that also had this aspect.  Also, Not just backed, but directed death squads in South America. ln Iraq with its human geography problems, concrete bombs were many times used.

There's others.  it is the same "tradition" as in gunning down a Stone Age culture, a.k.a. lndians.

So you're suggesting that undercover commandos are shooting protestors?

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2 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

This is ridiculous accusation. Usa barely have power in Iraq anymore. It is right now 90% For Iran. Its the Iranian backed  militants that are killing people and they are getting support from government because the government is filled with Iran backed clerics and generals.  Qais Al-Khazali was founder of Death squad that killed a lot of innocent people.. What in the world he is doing in the government? If you think Shia clerics cannot do ill you are completely wrong. The  current Shia religious clerics arent angels at all. There is on going  daily massacre of Journalist and civil activist and they are only  threat to Iranian backed armies and government. Its not hard know who these so called "Unknown" militants are. They are currently trying to  clean their image with conspiracy theories in social media.. Blaming Usa and Israel for everything.

Hawza of Iraq have nothing to do with it. And majority of them have nothing to do with politics. Let's not make that common mistake to generalize and put them in bad image when they don't even deserve such a bad talk. 

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2 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

So you're suggesting that undercover commandos are shooting protestors?

Somebody is. Now l do not think this is necessarily directed by the US or direct involvement, but l'd be very surprised if the US -especially DoD- does not know who.

Who did you mean by "undercover commandos"?

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A deliniation and some explanation on the protesters, PMF and other factors:

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/The-Uncomfortable-Truth-Behind-Iraqs-Violent-Protests.html

For a somewhat detailed map of groups, [PMF, etc] see:

page 8  https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/2019-09-05-StateTransformationsIraqYemen.pdf 

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5 hours ago, hasanhh said:

So what is the US and its puppets doing? Gunning everyone down?

"Somebody is. Now l do not think this is necessarily directed by the US or direct involvement," -hasanhh

 

The above are two different statements. First you say "the US and it's puppets", then you suggest that it's "somebody" of an unclear nature and that the US does not "direct them" as the US would a puppet.

Contray to public belief, the US doesn't have control over every faction of every conflict of every country in the world. The government of Iraq appears to be corrupt but last I checked it was allied with the Iranians. Doesn't sound like a puppet of America to me nor is it directed by the US. Yet they're gunning down protestors.

Every major country, in the broadest sense, knows "somebody" doing something heinous while not being directed.

Further, I'm sure Iran knows "somebody" of an obscure nature, but does not "direct them" who are gunning down opposition to the government as well. This is how Iran fights it's proxy wars.

 

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It is of paramount importance to distinguish between clerics in the hawza and 'clerics' in politics. The only commonality is the attire. 

This is precisely why political leaders should not be in religious attire because their fallible actions often reflect badly on the faith. 

Also, the kidnapping of journalists and civil activists as well as the killings happening in Iraq are attempts to silence any and all threats to the status quo. It's not diffuclt to figure out who's behind them. 

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1 hour ago, Moalfas said:

This is precisely why political leaders should not be in religious attire because their fallible actions often reflect badly on the faith. 

 

By that logic any falliable person should not be a Muslim as well because their falliable actions also reflects badly on the faith.

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On 12/9/2019 at 2:42 PM, Sumerian said:

US has a powerful enough military and police force to fight in case the militias go rogue.

In the case of Iraq, they're already rogue, have influence in the government, and more powerful than the Army itself.

 

57 minutes ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

By that logic any falliable person should not be a Muslim as well because their falliable actions also reflects badly on the faith.

 

These Protestors are not peaceful 

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1 hour ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

By that logic any falliable person should not be a Muslim as well because their falliable actions also reflects badly on the faith.

I'm afraid you're way off the mark with your comparison. 

Firstly, an average Muslim isn't dressed in the religious attire of scholars who represent the faith and who are to be held to the highest of standards.  

This does not negate the fact that every Muslim has a responsibility in that their actions could reflect badly on the faith. However, being in positions of influence and power makes this an extremely serious issue.

Secondly, the Amama (turban), whether black or white is a representation of the Amama of the Prophet saw and therefore, involving it in the hustle and bustle of 'dirty' politics is what reflects badly on the faith. 

Let alone the individuals who actually use and abuse the attire because of the respect that's offered by the faithful to the Amama. 

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