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Iraq Protests 2019-2020

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On 11/20/2019 at 8:43 PM, Sumerian said:

Lol nope. These are the best times for Iraq, when Shia and Sunnis are together under one nation, rejecting corrupt and sectarian politicians. True patriotism. The only way it can get worse is if the fake Islamists and sectarianists use even more violence than they have.

What do you base that of?

It seems like very few people in Iraq, on the street levels care much for religion to begin with and the corruption they are complaining about is the same corruption they raise their kids with.

Sharaf and marefa don’t seem to mean much anymore and its not just in Iraq but in the entire Middle East. Though I would say it seems to be worst in Iraq. The old people are too tired from struggling to care about these things and the young people, the "instagram generation", are impatient, superficial and self entitled.

I don’t think anything will change with regards to corruption in Iraq, whatever government you put in place, though I think the area and its population will over time become further secular and deprived of religion and spirituality. Money and greed seems to be the only religion that people have in mind at the moment and they love the western culture, I think it will wake the wrath of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) which will bring further suffering to the nation, much worst than daesh or saddam(la).

God does not judge the kufr of the people who ate together with Prophet Issah(عليه السلام) the same way He would judge the kufr of a farmer out in nowhere. Iraq has been blessed with many Imams(عليه السلام) and many events have taken place in that land, to turn away from religion after all of that will not go unanswered.

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What's the worst that can happen in the wordly sense? One can die.What's better for Akhira than dying on the ziyarat of Imam al-Husayn (عليه السلام)? Don't give up the chance. Who knows if we might ev

I think best for Iraq would be to split the country in three new countries. One predominantly Sunni Arab, the other predominantly Shia Arab and the last one predominantly kurd.

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On 11/22/2019 at 5:45 AM, Soldiers and Saffron said:

What do you base that of?

It seems like very few people in Iraq, on the street levels care much for religion to begin with and the corruption they are complaining about is the same corruption they raise their kids with.

Sharaf and marefa don’t seem to mean much anymore and its not just in Iraq but in the entire Middle East. Though I would say it seems to be worst in Iraq. The old people are too tired from struggling to care about these things and the young people, the "instagram generation", are impatient, superficial and self entitled.

I don’t think anything will change with regards to corruption in Iraq, whatever government you put in place, though I think the area and its population will over time become further secular and deprived of religion and spirituality. Money and greed seems to be the only religion that people have in mind at the moment and they love the western culture, I think it will wake the wrath of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) which will bring further suffering to the nation, much worst than daesh or saddam(la).

God does not judge the kufr of the people who ate together with Prophet Issah(عليه السلام) the same way He would judge the kufr of a farmer out in nowhere. Iraq has been blessed with many Imams(عليه السلام) and many events have taken place in that land, to turn away from religion after all of that will not go unanswered.

At the end of the day it is the choice of the Iraqi people when it comes to whers they want to go, not an outside force.

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35 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

At the end of the day it is the choice of the Iraqi people when it comes to whers they want to go, not an outside force.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that nor was it what I addressed in my post.

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On 11/22/2019 at 5:45 AM, Soldiers and Saffron said:

It seems like very few people in Iraq, on the street levels care much for religion to begin with 

This is because of the thieves that used religion to trick the masses to vote for them. May I add that these thieves were backed and are still to this day protected by the 'Islamic republic' ...

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Sharaf and marefa don’t seem to mean much anymore and its not just in Iraq but in the entire Middle East. Though I would say it seems to be worst in Iraq.

I'm unsure as to your level of understanding and knowledge of the Arabic language but using the word 'sharaf' ??

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you do not know what it really means. Otherwise, you'd think multiple times before making such a comment.

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 I think it will wake the wrath of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

The warth of Allah will be upon those that use religion to further their worldly causes through stealing billions and cold blooded murder of innocent people. And their backers and protectors.

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which will bring further suffering to the nation, much worst than daesh or saddam(la).

Typical fearmogerong from someone who thinks their own country's control over Iraq is better than anyone else's. 

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. Iraq has been blessed with many Imams(عليه السلام) and many events have taken place in that land, to turn away from religion after all of that will not go unanswered.

Tell that to the crooks backed by the 'Islamic republic' 

I'm honestly sick and tired of the nonsense.

Anyone who supports a thief and a crook is an enemy of Imam Al Mehdi AJF. 

Prove me wrong. 

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5 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

By that logic Kufr, Zina, emotions over logic are “the choice of the...people”

That's right, they are lol. You can only have laws against anything if there is popular acceptance for it. For example, alcohol bars are allowed in Baghdad and no one can do a thing about it. 

Would I prefer if they were closed down? Yes. Would I prefer if Iraq started to implement more Islamic Laws? Yea. But I'm one person, and the country is officially a democracy.

And btw the corrupt Islamist parties hardly implemented any Islamic Laws even during the height of their popularity, and their corruption made people turn against preachers and Islam in politics.

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On 11/20/2019 at 11:28 PM, hasanhh said:

:cry: and :book:"From what l anticipate it will be Daesh on steroids."

When did you get back from there. Our friends got back in about May.

Salam it's a clear prophecy that Sufyani (la) will conquer Iraq that at first people think that Daesh is Sufyani (la) army because of some of it's attributes that was matching with some arts of prophecies but in advance it becomes clear that Daesh is a fake army that had appearance of his army but it wasn't his real army anyway this region won't face peace until reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj)  & engaging Iran & Yemeni army with Sufyani (la) army in Iraq.

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10 hours ago, Moalfas said:

May I add that these thieves were backed and are still to this day protected by the 'Islamic republic' ...

again anti Iranian propaganda without evidence .

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7 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

again anti Iranian propaganda without evidence .

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Saturday, morning, 23Nov19

1]VP Pence in Iraq -visits troops later to meet Mahdi

2] :fever: Thursday 21Nov: UPDATE for:  14 protesters killed 

Quote: "Victims of Al-Ahrar Bridge

"Abloody confriontation between rebels and troops stationed near Al-Ahrar Bridge leaving 14 people killed, in the last 24 hours according to security sources on Thursday evening."

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44745/Bloody-clashes-between-failed-regime-protesters-on-Baghdad-Bridges 

3] 17 "suffocated"  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44761/17-protesters-suffocated-near-Baghdad-al-Ahrar-bridge  23Nov19

OPINE: the only way to suffocated anyone in the open air that isn't confined to the source of "smoke" is to 1, use a smoke generator set and 2, use zinc chloride or other highly irritant chemical smoke. The 3rd option is to use a CW agent outright. The M157 Smoke Generator (dual) Set can be mounted on a HUMMV and screen an entire airfield.

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9 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Pence in Iraq -visits troops later to meet Mahdi

somehow, america got her talons inside Iraq & she's not stable.

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16 hours ago, hasanhh said:

1]VP Pence in Iraq -visits troops later to meet Mahdi

DeutscheWelle Staturday EST showed Pence visiting troops and later meeting with the Kurdish region president Barzani. DW said he did not meet with Mahdi "out of security concerns".

Similar: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article237690649.html 

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18 hours ago, hasanhh said:

3] 17 "suffocated"  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44761/17-protesters-suffocated-near-Baghdad-al-Ahrar-bridge  23Nov19

OPINE: the only way to suffocated anyone in the open air that isn't confined to the source of "smoke" is to 1, use a smoke generator set and 2, use zinc chloride or other highly irritant chemical smoke. The 3rd option is to use a CW agent outright. The M157 Smoke Generator (dual) Set can be mounted on a HUMMV and screen an entire airfield.

In response to this chemical murder, the Defense Minister says a "third party" acquired "lethal tear gas bombs" :

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44774/Defense-minister-Third-party-brought-gas-bombs-to-kill-protesters

Two casualty reports:

lrari security kill at least 2 and wounded 70+ in Umm Qasr:

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44772/Security-forces-kill-two-protesters-near-Iraq-s-key-Umm-Qasr-port-in-south-sources

Nasiriyah ~4 dead and "dozens injured"

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44767/About-4-protesters-killed-in-clashes-with-security-forces-in-Nasiriyah 

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From Monday night (25 Nov) -the picture is worth a few hundred thousand votes to someone

https://thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44793/Iraqi-Teachers-Union-calls-for-fresh-protests-Wednesday  (the 27th)

Tuesday the 26th AM EST/mid-day Baghdad:

What "calm" is not timed below. Also, Security wounded, MP's home targeted, "general and comprehensive strike", roads blocked, gov't orders offices slosed, . . .

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44804/28-policemen-injured-during-protests-MP-house-set-on-fire-in-Dhi-Qar 

https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44806/Iraqis-hold-fresh-anti-government-protests 

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

Has there been any update on elections for new leadership?

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Wed AM/EST  27Nov19

There is a real dearth of news this AM-EST. Also, the Baghdad Post has today's date, but no additional reporting. There is this from Iran News Dailyhttps://irannewsdaily.com/2019/11/region-countries-fund-unrests-in-Iraq/  said by an lraqi MP.

--USA, Kuwait, UAE and Tel Aviv

 

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14 hours ago, hasanhh said:

The Al-Jazeera article you quoted describes a "leaderless uprising".

Which 'elections' are you refering to?

I was referring to elections for what would presumably be a new prime minister in Iraq, or maybe other government figures.

Just curious about what changes are occuring in govt in response to the protests.

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1 hour ago, iCenozoic said:

ust curious about what changes are occuring in govt in response to the protests.

All so-called "changes" have been pretencious and in the end will be useless as all parties and individuals of the current and past have no future in lraq.

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4 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

curious about what changes

You will find a comment addressing your question here in the 9th paragraph: https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44814/Iraq-protesters-block-roads-to-press-for-sweeping-reforms 

It is midnight 27/28Nov AST (Baghdad); 1600EST (New York City) after no new news this morning:

TV station closed:  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44819/security-forces-close-Baghdad-office-of-Dijlah-TV-broadcaster 

Iranian Consulate burned in Najaf;  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44825/Najaf-police-announce-curfew-after-Iranian-consulate-burnt 

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Thursday Evening Baghdad(AST) after 2000hrs 28Nov19 [afternoon NYC/EST]

A Bad Day Summary: https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44835/20-Iraqi-Protesters-Shot-Dead-in-24-hours-Violence-Spirals 

--live rounds killed 4 and wounded 22 on Ahrar Bridge, Baghdad

--what happened at Najaf: lranian consulate staff left unharmed, lRI flag replaced with lraqi flag, building burned, 1 protester dead, 35 wounded; curfew imposed

--U.S. "denounced" media regulators "suspending" 9 TV channels

--lSlL claims responsibility for bombings

--16 killed overnight and 90 wounded in Nassariya  [another report which includes this 16:  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44837/25-Iraqis-killed-in-Nasiriyah-military-commander-sacked 

--Basra: city streets opened, ports, schools and offices remain closed

0ther Reporting:

Military Commander "fired":  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44836/Iraq-sPM-fires-new-commander-after-22-killed-in-crackdown 

Sadr "urges" gov't to resign:  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44839/Sadr-urges-vov-t-to-resign-to-end-bloodshed 

"Military Led-Crisis Cells":  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44828/Iraq-sets-up-military-led-crisis-cells-to-quell-mass-unrest-statement   Recall this 10Nov19 report:  https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44602/Intelligence-sources-reveal-scheme-to-eliminate-Iraqidemonstrations    :cry:"eliminate?"

Reuters dot com is characterizing the mass shooting in Najaf as "in what could be a turning point in the uprising against the Tehran-backed authorities".

 

 

 

 

 

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Just saw this. Anyone knows more? :((

BREAKING News: Hashd Al-Shabi units have arrived to Najaf as reports spread of a possible threat to Ayatollah #Sistani.

 

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0500EST 29Nov19

The death toll is now over 400 --source: elsewhere

Other: 0ne example: https://www.dw.com/en/Iraqi-forces-kill-dozens-of-protesters-deploy-military-to-stem-unrest/a-51446737 

 

4 hours ago, starlight said:

Just saw this. Anyone knows more? :((

BREAKING News: Hashd Al-Shabi units have arrived to Najaf as reports spread of a possible threat to Ayatollah #Sistani.

 

The "military-civilian crisis cells" are beginning to gun people down.

The "best" answer to your question is near the bottom of this article: 

https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2019/Nov-29/496483-Iraqi-forces-kill-35-protesters-after-Iran-consulate-torched.ashx 

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The 400 now conifmed. Sistani condemns current events.

0553EST, Friday, 29Nov19  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-Iraq-protests/top-Iraq-cleric-urges-lawmakers-to-reassess-government-after-400-killed-idUSKBN1Y30W0 

A US TV station is quoting Reuters as saying 408 deaths -likey at 0500hrs but l haven't found it. [no matter now].

 

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Him and his whole cabinet were a pathetic people. Now it is time to allow for early clean elections, and time to allow for representatives of the protests to be given a chance to run for seats.

After that, we can start talking about constitutional reform and laws that can support freedom of expression, limit or extinguish foreign influence, tackle sectarianism, racism and tribalism, establish good economic and security relations with all neighbours - no to political relationships, no to alliances - and to support economic growth and prosperity insha Allah. 

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

Him and his whole cabinet were a pathetic people. Now it is time to allow for early clean elections, and time to allow for representatives of the protests to be given a chance to run for seats.

After that, we can start talking about constitutional reform and laws that can support freedom of expression, limit or extinguish foreign influence, tackle sectarianism, racism and tribalism, establish good economic and security relations with all neighbours - no to political relationships, no to alliances - and to support economic growth and prosperity insha Allah. 

Even with Israel and Saudi Arabia? 

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