Syed/Non-Syed Weddings? Haram/Not Allowed?

[MJ03531]

Salam,

I am an enthusiast of Shii'ism and I love to explore recent things. Recently, a friend of mine who is a Syed claimed that Syed's cannot marry Non-Syed and that it has been said by Grand Ayatollah Khomeini himself. I have tried finding references from the Grand Ayatollah but found none. 

Interestingly I have gone through this forum and found out that many of the Shiites scholars including Ayatollah Sistani claiming that this is a false statement and that Syed's can marry Non Syed. I did show this to her but she still claims that this is a falsified information and that many of the Shia scriptures actually supports that non Syed can't marry Syed. I have had a long debate with her but I am absolutely clueless as I found nothing on the internet saying its not jaiz. 

I know this topic has been discussed here before but I would highly appreciate if someone could please help me out and get me out of this dilemma. If possible please get me a video of the Grand Ayatollah saying that it is not allowed.

 

Regards

MJ03531

Edited October 1, 2019 by notme
Corrected All Caps

[Pumpkin]

It's not Haram... It's just an ego thing to be Syed and marry Syed...

Humans want other humans to think highly of them, validate them, and acknowledge their status. This is the same thing that caused Iblees to disobey Allah and not bow down to Adam (عليه السلام). Iblees wanted to be recognized for his dedication to Allah, he wanted the angels to acknowledge and validate how good he was so now Iblees goes after the children of Adam (عليه السلام). by making them want validation and recognition from others. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Pumpkin

[Qasim-Raza]

50 minutes ago, MJ03531 said:

Salam,

I am an enthusiast of Shii'ism and I love to explore recent things. Recently, a friend of mine who is a Syed claimed that Syed's cannot marry Non-Syed and that it has been said by Grand Ayatollah Khomeini himself. I have tried finding references from the Grand Ayatollah but found none. 

Interestingly I have gone through this forum and found out that many of the Shiites scholars including Ayatollah Sistani claiming that this is a false statement and that Syed's can marry Non Syed. I did show this to her but she still claims that this is a falsified information and that many of the Shia scriptures actually supports that non Syed can't marry Syed. I have had a long debate with her but I am absolutely clueless as I found nothing on the internet saying its not jaiz. 

I know this topic has been discussed here before but I would highly appreciate if someone could please help me out and get me out of this dilemma. If possible please get me a video of the Grand Ayatollah saying that it is not allowed.

 

Regards

MJ03531

salam,

this is actually all made up lie by Indian Pakistani syed community,actually I did alot of research myself on it and all marjas said a non-syed girl boy can marry syed girl boy there is no issue. one of ayotullah Sayyid khamneis daughter is married to a non-syed. but I will say I do respect syed lineage offcourse its the linage of our beloved Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) but I respect linage only respecting the syed person depends on his/her character and his/her amaal taqwa ikhlaq, Salam

[Mzwakhe]

On 10/1/2019 at 5:32 AM, Pumpkin said:

by making them want validation 

There won't be a need to seek validation from people if it is validated by Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Strangely, the syeds I met are rotten in a normal manner

 

[Kaya]

10 minutes ago, Mzwakhe said:

Strangely, the syeds I met are rotten in a normal manner

 Rotten in a normal manner...? 

[Moalfas]

Salams

There is no absolutely no notion in Shia Jurisprudence about exclusivity when to comes to Sayed/non Sayed marriages.

This idea is in fact an ignorant and cultural notion and it goes against the clear principle of equality in Islam as stated in the Qur'an:

بِسْم الله الرحمن الرحيم

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنْثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ

(49:13) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

صدق الله العلي العظيم 

Wasalam

[Mzwakhe]

20 minutes ago, Kaya said:

 Rotten in a normal manner...? 

Yes, as in typical layman normal. 

Let's take Dawud(عليه السلام), a Prophet. Him(عليه السلام) committing adultery is a manner attuned to the normal norms. He(عليه السلام) is/was not a normal person. He(عليه السلام) never committed adultery, alhamdulillah.

[Jibrael-e-Muhammadi]

On 10/1/2019 at 7:29 AM, MJ03531 said:

Salam,

I am an enthusiast of Shii'ism and I love to explore recent things. Recently, a friend of mine who is a Syed claimed that Syed's cannot marry Non-Syed and that it has been said by Grand Ayatollah Khomeini himself. I have tried finding references from the Grand Ayatollah but found none. 

Interestingly I have gone through this forum and found out that many of the Shiites scholars including Ayatollah Sistani claiming that this is a false statement and that Syed's can marry Non Syed. I did show this to her but she still claims that this is a falsified information and that many of the Shia scriptures actually supports that non Syed can't marry Syed. I have had a long debate with her but I am absolutely clueless as I found nothing on the internet saying its not jaiz. 

I know this topic has been discussed here before but I would highly appreciate if someone could please help me out and get me out of this dilemma. If possible please get me a video of the Grand Ayatollah saying that it is not allowed.

 

Regards

MJ03531

You should consider her opinion as she doesn't want to argue about it and don't want to get married outside syeds.

One section of Syeds believe that non-syeds cannot understand their ideals of living a life and after the marriage, the life becomes a huge argument between a syed and non-syed couple. Just for the sake of example: - Hazrat Zaid bin Sabit married Hazrat Zainab (عليه السلام) cousin of Prophet (PBUHHP). But, the differences in later life became huge that they sought separation. 

[Haji 2003]

The prohibition forbidding marriage of Syed and non-Syed is one of a matter of degree. Such marriages are ok everywhere else in the world. But in Pakistan the more rural and tribal the area you live in the greater the prohibition.

If you consider yourself to be a total 'paendu' then the prohibition is 100%.

Edited October 3, 2019 by Haji 2003

[Jibrael-e-Muhammadi]

36 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

The prohibition forbidding marriage of Syed and non-Syed is one of a matter of degree. Such marriages are ok everywhere else in the world. But in Pakistan the more rural and tribal the area you live in the greater the prohibition.

If you consider yourself to be a total 'paendu' then the prohibition is 100%.

I disagree because it is easier to assume things when you are not a syed yourself and there are various reasons some of which are as follows:

1. Syeds believe that Surah Kauthar was revealed as a good news to Prophet (PBUHHP) that his children will spread from his dauther. 

2. A syed believes that if he marries a non-syed, and he gets a son who marries non-syed girl and they get a daughter who is married to non-syed, he will see his connection to have ended with the Prophet. So rather he thinks that why not he marries a syed girl and gets a children and he then weds them in a syed family.

If you consider them pendu, they consider you ignorant about the translation of Surah Kauthar. 

Rather than finding faults in one another, you should all respect each other's opinions.