Jump to content
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!) ×
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!)
In the Name of God بسم الله

Descendants of Yazid, Sufyan, Marwan, Elite families and Royals of Today

Rate this topic


Recommended Posts

  • Unregistered

Salam! There has been many reports of the idea that Queen Elizabeth is descendant of Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

https://www.history.com/news/is-queen-elizabeth-related-to-the-Prophet-Muhammad

https://www.dailymail.co.United Kingdom/news/article-5587555/Historians-trace-Queens-heritage-Prophet-Muhammad.html

https://www.news18.com/news/world/queen-elizabeth-a-descendant-of-Prophet-Muhammad-findings-seem-to-suggest-so-1712873.html

We know that Spain and Portugal used to be a Muslim country. And that they are the ancestors of many royal and elite families of today. But where did those royals and elite families of Spain and Portugal come from.

Could it be that the descendants of Yazid(L), Muawiya(L)  and the rest of the shaytans are the elites of today. Sufyani who will be from them, will most likely be from an elite shaytan family.

Yazid(L) had a daughter Atikah bint Yazid she married Abd al Malik ibn Marwan. Atikah was an Umayyad princess. " Atikah was known as she was a relative to twelve umayyad caliphs (out of fourteen)"

Do you see the numerology? 14 Infallibles, then these shaytan 14 on the other side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atikah_bint_Yazid

https://www.geni.com/projects/Descents-from-Muhammad-in-Medieval-Spain/48403

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Rahman_I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hisham_I_of_Córdoba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hakam_I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Rahman_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_I_of_Córdoba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mundhir_of_Córdoba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Muhammad_al-Umawi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onneca_Fortúnez

https://www.geni.com/people/Zayd-Ibn-Abdullah/6000000013017309410

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovesendo_Ramires

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboazar_Lovesendes

In genealogy websites you can see the descendants of Atikah and abd al Malik. What I could find was that, Hisham, muawiya, abd al rahman (1st emir of cordoba) Hisham 1 or Hisham al Reda (2nd emir of cordoba), Hakam (3rd emir of cordoba), Abd al Rahman 2 (4th emir of cordoba), Muhammad (5th emir), Al-Mundhir (6th emir), Abdullah ibn Muhammad (7th emir, brother of Al-mundhir?)

7th emir married Onneca Fortunez or Onega Fortunes (she is princess from kingdom of Pamplona)

the had Zayd ibn Abdullah, Zaydan ibn Zayd, Zaira bint Zaydan married to Lovesende Ramirez de Amaya, Aboazar Lovesendes

And from there it goes to royal and other elite families. You can check for yourself.

So is it possible that the Royals and Elite families of today are actually descendants of the enemies of Ahlul Bayt, such as Yazid(L), Muawiya(L), Marwan(L), Shimr(L), Ziyad(L), Sufyan(L), May Allah curse be on them all. Could it be that Queen Elizabeth is actually linked to these shaytans like the rest of the royal and elite families.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
3 minutes ago, Akbar673 said:

Doesn't that apply to all Syeds that descend from Imam Muhammad Baqir (عليه السلام) and later? Those Syeds have Abu Bakr as their descendant as well. In fact, all of the Imams (عليه السلام) from the 5th descend from Abu Bakr as well...so your ancestry has no bearing on your actions or choices.

We need not look farther than Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr as an example of how the choices we make in life are more important than what our ancestry chose to do.

As far as Queen Elizabeth goes none of that has really been proven. Its all speculation, and sounds more along the lines of political propaganda. I know there's family trees and all that but to be honest I really don't find it believable.

Brother, these descendants are cursed til the day of judgement. Check Ziyarat Ashura. And Sufyani(L) will be from them. So how can we not care about this.

We curse them and yet, we bow down and do everything for them. Are we then not amongst the helpers of the killer of Imam Hussein (عليه السلام).

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Veteran Member
10 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Brother, these descendants are cursed til the day of judgement. Check Ziyarat Ashura. And Sufyani(L) will be from them. So how can we not care about this.

We curse them and yet, we bow down and do everything for them. Are we then not amongst the helpers of the killer of Imam Hussein (عليه السلام).

How do the actions of our ancestors affect us today?

I'm not denying that they are cursed, I'm speaking about how and why should the descendants of those people be cursed also? Doesn't the example of Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr prove that it is our actions that determine our value and not the choices our ancestors made?

Also, there are many Syeds out there that are UnIslamic by every definition. What of them? 

Ancestry means nothing, its our own actions that define our faith.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
6 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Salam! There has been many reports of the idea that Queen Elizabeth is descendant of Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

https://www.history.com/news/is-queen-elizabeth-related-to-the-Prophet-Muhammad

https://www.dailymail.co.United Kingdom/news/article-5587555/Historians-trace-Queens-heritage-Prophet-Muhammad.html

https://www.news18.com/news/world/queen-elizabeth-a-descendant-of-Prophet-Muhammad-findings-seem-to-suggest-so-1712873.html

We know that Spain and Portugal used to be a Muslim country. And that they are the ancestors of many royal and elite families of today. But where did those royals and elite families of Spain and Portugal come from.

Could it be that the descendants of Yazid(L), Muawiya(L)  and the rest of the shaytans are the elites of today. Sufyani who will be from them, will most likely be from an elite shaytan family.

Yazid(L) had a daughter Atikah bint Yazid she married Abd al Malik ibn Marwan. Atikah was an Umayyad princess. " Atikah was known as she was a relative to twelve umayyad caliphs (out of fourteen)"

Do you see the numerology? 14 Infallibles, then these shaytan 14 on the other side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atikah_bint_Yazid

https://www.geni.com/projects/Descents-from-Muhammad-in-Medieval-Spain/48403

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Rahman_I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hisham_I_of_Córdoba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hakam_I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Rahman_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_I_of_Córdoba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mundhir_of_Córdoba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Muhammad_al-Umawi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onneca_Fortúnez

https://www.geni.com/people/Zayd-Ibn-Abdullah/6000000013017309410

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovesendo_Ramires

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboazar_Lovesendes

In genealogy websites you can see the descendants of Atikah and abd al Malik. What I could find was that, Hisham, muawiya, abd al rahman (1st emir of cordoba) Hisham 1 or Hisham al Reda (2nd emir of cordoba), Hakam (3rd emir of cordoba), Abd al Rahman 2 (4th emir of cordoba), Muhammad (5th emir), Al-Mundhir (6th emir), Abdullah ibn Muhammad (7th emir, brother of Al-mundhir?)

7th emir married Onneca Fortunez or Onega Fortunes (she is princess from kingdom of Pamplona)

the had Zayd ibn Abdullah, Zaydan ibn Zayd, Zaira bint Zaydan married to Lovesende Ramirez de Amaya, Aboazar Lovesendes

And from there it goes to royal and other elite families. You can check for yourself.

So is it possible that the Royals and Elite families of today are actually descendants of the enemies of Ahlul Bayt, such as Yazid(L), Muawiya(L), Marwan(L), Shimr(L), Ziyad(L), Sufyan(L), May Allah curse be on them all. Could it be that Queen Elizabeth is actually linked to these shaytans like the rest of the royal and elite families.

Salam aleikum,

Fascinating post brother. Thanks for this. I also had the idea that there are interesting parallels between the good and evil people. There is a good tree (Nabi Muhammad+Ahlul Bayt) and an evil tree mentioned in some of the riwayaat, to serve as a basic example. 

14 satans, and 12 of them being rulers and leaders. Doesn’t Iblis also have his own 313? In some really seedy sites, there are mentions of a council of three hundred, where 13 are the very highest. Of that 13 there is a supreme leader among them. He is known by a vulgar title that I won’t repeat here, but you get the point. And it would seem that there are various families within them and their affiliates competing with one another. I wish the ulema would speak about this. I have to turn to the disbelievers for knowledge.

”and the disbelievers seem united, but they are not united”

This, when it comes to the fact that the Sufyani and Dajjal are the biggest helpers and supporters of Iblis, especially when it comes to their organizing is interesting.

so, who is the Muslim bin Aqil (عليه السلام) of our time? Imam Mahdi is the Hussain [as], so where is Muslim bin Aqil?

like you, I am convinced that we are not really on Imam Hussain’s side.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Brother, these descendants are cursed til the day of judgement. Check Ziyarat Ashura. And Sufyani(L) will be from them. So how can we not care about this.

We curse them and yet, we bow down and do everything for them. Are we then not amongst the helpers of the killer of Imam Hussein (عليه السلام).

There are many people who are placed in the loins of the disbelievers. They are the deposits of Allah. Them being descended from the enemies should not matter as far as allegiance. Those who cry for Hussain can still mock him. Thus, not everyone who cries for him is really going to heaven.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

According to lecture I watched there are no descendants of Yazid. I think it might have been Ammar Nakhswani who said that today we find thousands of sayyids and nobody related to Yazid.

Anyway, sorry but the Queen is powerless, she has literally just been lied to by our PM and she had no idea. She just went along with whatever the next idiot says, and she's had three idiots saying things to her and getting her permission in the last three years. No questions asked, no intellect, no wisdom, she is as stupid and oblivious as the people she rules. There's nothing satanic to her, if anything she gets deceived not the other way around. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
27 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

According to lecture I watched there are no descendants of Yazid. I think it might have been Ammar Nakhswani who said that today we find thousands of sayyids and nobody related to Yazid.

Anyway, sorry but the Queen is powerless, she has literally just been lied to by our PM and she had no idea. She just went along with whatever the next idiot says, and she's had three idiots saying things to her and getting her permission in the last three years. No questions asked, no intellect, no wisdom, she is as stupid and oblivious as the people she rules. There's nothing satanic to her, if anything she gets deceived not the other way around. 

 I heard she has the power to stop parliament from sitting?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
3 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

How do the actions of our ancestors affect us today?

I'm not denying that they are cursed, I'm speaking about how and why should the descendants of those people be cursed also? Doesn't the example of Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr prove that it is our actions that determine our value and not the choices our ancestors made?

Also, there are many Syeds out there that are UnIslamic by every definition. What of them? 

Ancestry means nothing, its our own actions that define our faith.

Because it runs in their blood and DNA the hate for the Ahlul Bayt and they are direct descendants of these shaytans. Who do you think the enemy of the Imam will be? it's the same descendants from these shaytans, they will most likely be the head of the enemy of the Imam. 

2 hours ago, starlight said:

Lady Ummal Baneen and Shimr ibn Dhil-Jawshan both were from Banu Kilab.

Laila wife of Imam al- Hussain was Yazeed's cousin.

Banu Abbasids were cousins to our Imams (عليه السلام)

One son of Imam al-Hadi goes on to become a Masoom, the other drags his mother to Abbasid court for property.

These are just a few examples. I can give you many many others.

Yes there are many other examples you can give. But did you understand what I am trying to say? These people who have the hate of Ahlul Bayt in their blood, are among the elite families of today and in control of the society. These are the very same people that will reject and oppose our Imam when he arrives. And we are working and supporting them in one or other way. DO you know what this reminds me of? Are we not people of Kufa of today? Are we not even worse, because we don't even know the enemy of our Imam?

1 hour ago, aaaz1618 said:

According to lecture I watched there are no descendants of Yazid. I think it might have been Ammar Nakhswani who said that today we find thousands of sayyids and nobody related to Yazid.

That's not possible since Sufyani(L) will be from Abu Sufyan(L). Btw Do you think a man with so much power would just give it up with no descendant to leave it to. People would even marry their siblings, mother or father, just to keep the power in their hand.

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
10 hours ago, BlueInk said:

Salam aleikum,

Fascinating post brother. Thanks for this. I also had the idea that there are interesting parallels between the good and evil people. There is a good tree (Nabi Muhammad+Ahlul Bayt) and an evil tree mentioned in some of the riwayaat, to serve as a basic example. 

14 satans, and 12 of them being rulers and leaders. Doesn’t Iblis also have his own 313? In some really seedy sites, there are mentions of a council of three hundred, where 13 are the very highest. Of that 13 there is a supreme leader among them. He is known by a vulgar title that I won’t repeat here, but you get the point. And it would seem that there are various families within them and their affiliates competing with one another. I wish the ulema would speak about this. I have to turn to the disbelievers for knowledge.

”and the disbelievers seem united, but they are not united”

This, when it comes to the fact that the Sufyani and Dajjal are the biggest helpers and supporters of Iblis, especially when it comes to their organizing is interesting.

so, who is the Muslim bin Aqil (عليه السلام) of our time? Imam Mahdi is the Hussain [as], so where is Muslim bin Aqil?

like you, I am convinced that we are not really on Imam Hussain’s side.

Yes I believe there is Good and Evil. The leaders of both groups will most likely be from Elite families from both sides. The evil from the Elite families of the shaytans/ummayads.

The good ones from the Elite families of Seyids. The committee of 300 and the 13 Bloodlines, then you also have 313 from the Shias.

There was a brother that spoke about it in some old topic I saw. sami II. But the committee of 300 and 13 bloodlines can be easily found.

6 hours ago, starlight said:

We don't know.

Some of the people who reject and oppose Imam (عليه السلام) will be those who call themselves Shias. I will try and see if I can find the narration.

Please try not to jump to conclusions and don't generalise. Some of the non Muslims are more humans than people who call themselves Muslims. 

Qaim (عليه السلام) and his regime might be very different from what people generally imagine. 

You see, this is the issue with the Shias. They don't know the enemies of the Imam, and they don't know the current system.

One of the reasons I believe the Imam isn't here yet publicly, is because majority of people will reject and oppose him, not understanding the changes he is going to bring. They don't see anything wrong with the current system, and they don't know the enemies of the Imam.

When the time comes and people finally wake up because of disastrous events, maybe ww3 ww4 I don't know. And everybody cry for help and is ready to accept any change, then Imam might come. But as of now, everybody loves this system and don't see anything wrong with it. They don't even know that the same people in control of this system is actually the enemy of the Ahlul Bayt.

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
9 hours ago, aaaz1618 said:

 

Anyway, sorry but the Queen is powerless. 

 

8 hours ago, BlueInk said:

 I heard she has the power to stop parliament from sitting?

There is this documentary called "Ring of Power". Is old one though, Still interesting. In one section it talks about how the royals, the Queen is descendant of pharaoh and the symbolics of her outfit and rituals. starts at 1:23:40 for those who don't got time to watch it all

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
6 hours ago, 2Timeless said:

Back at it again with the conspiracy theories. 

We should have a separate forum dedicated to oh-so-fascinating posts like this, so we all know to keep up with them. 

Our belief system is based on conspiracy theories from the view of other sects, religion and other people.

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Moderators
26 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

You see, this is the issue with the Shias. They don't know the enemies of the Imam, 

This is not the issue but I have no patience for refuting half cooked conspiracy theories. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
13 hours ago, BlueInk said:

This, when it comes to the fact that the Sufyani and Dajjal are the biggest helpers and supporters of Iblis, especially when it comes to their organizing is interesting.

so, who is the Muslim bin Aqil (عليه السلام) of our time? Imam Mahdi is the Hussain [as], so where is Muslim bin Aqil?

like you, I am convinced that we are not really on Imam Hussain’s side.

Salam Imam Mahdi(aj) is from descendants of Imam Hussain(as)& Muslim ibn Aqil (رضي الله عنه) will back in Raj'a but Imam Mahdi(aj) will have his representative as 'Nafs Zakia' (pure soul) that will martyr beside Kaaba &aftter that Imam Mahdi (aj)will reappear & Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) will be his successor after Imam Mahdi (aj) that Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) is first person that will bak in Raj'a

15 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Salam it's totally refuted by experts  in family tree study & she doesn't has any relation to Prophet Muhammad(pbu) , this rumor just spread by members of british shii'sm cult like as Yasir Al-Habib because Iranians are against her.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
16 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Salam! There has been many reports of the idea that Queen Elizabeth is descendant of Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

 

lolz, where is the proof about it ? If you post some fake genealogical map than I think, it is just a propaganda. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

 

Salam it's totally refuted by experts  in family tree study & she doesn't has any relation to Prophet Muhammad(pbu) , this rumor just spread by members of british shii'sm cult like as Yasir Al-Habib because Iranians are against her.

 

4 hours ago, Jibrael-e-Muhammadi said:

lolz, where is the proof about it ? If you post some fake genealogical map than I think, it is just a propaganda. 

I never said Queen elizabeth is descendant of Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). What I suggested was that she and other royal families and elite families are descendants from ummayads.

Check my original post and check the sources.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
51 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

 

I never said Queen elizabeth is descendant of Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). What I suggested was that she and other royal families and elite families are descendants from ummayads.

Check my original post and check the sources.

I see, I got it now. You meant that people say about her and you have posted that she and other Europeans might be Ummayads and not from Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP). I got it now, thanks for help brother. :) 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Veteran Member
19 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Because it runs in their blood and DNA the hate for the Ahlul Bayt and they are direct descendants of these shaytans.

Sorry, I have to disagree with you on that. The actions of our ancestors have no bearing on how we choose to live our lives and the decisions we choose to make. As I stated in my previous post I offer the example of Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr. A pious Sahaba of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who was trusted and considered part of Imam Ali's (عليه السلام) inner circle. How did his ancestry affect his actions and choices?

Let's take it a step further and talk about Muawiya ibn Yazid. The son of Yazid. Are you aware of what the opinion of him is based on Shi'a historians?

Let's flip this to the other side since you feel that "blood and DNA" play such an important part. How would you describe the brother of the 11th Imam (عليه السلام) Jafar ibn Ali al Hadi who claimed Imamate after the death of Imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام)? He descends from the line of our Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) as well as 11 of the Imams (عليه السلام) of the Ahle Bayt (in fact lets even take that a step further and call him a descendant of all of the Prophets (عليه السلام) that our Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) descends from, as well as Abu Talib also). Did his "blood and DNA" play a role in him claiming to be the next Imam?

20 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Who do you think the enemy of the Imam will be? it's the same descendants from these shaytans

Please provide proof of this stating that EVERY descendant of them will be amongst the Imam's (عليه السلام) enemies? I'm not doubting that their descendants will be amongst the enemies, I'm curious to know if EVERY descendant will be among them?

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Veteran Member
8 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam it's totally refuted by experts  in family tree study & she doesn't has any relation to Prophet Muhammad(pbu) , this rumor just spread by members of british shii'sm cult like as Yasir Al-Habib because Iranians are against her

While there is some level of logic since she descends from a member of the Spanish royal family who descended from Hasan e Muthanna the son of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام). However, this is all speculative since there is no concrete proof that states this. Here's the supposed Family Tree tracing her back to the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

Personally, I think this is a fiction created by the British media or govt. to make sure not only she, but also other members of the British Royal Family, wouldn't be attacked by Muslims by creating some fictional relation to the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). Thus ensuring their safety because apparently they thought that even the most extremist Muslim wouldn't think to attack them if they created this bloodline relation...:ko:

Quote

Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom - daughter of
George VI, King of the United Kingdom - son of
George V, King of the United Kingdom - son of
Edward VII, King of the United Kingdom - son of
Victoria, Queen of the United Kingdom - daughter of
Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn - son of
George III, King of Great Britain - son of
Frederick, Prince of Wales - son of
George II, King of Great Britain - son of
George I, King of Great Britain - son of
Sophia, Electress of Hanover - daughter of
Elizabeth of Bohemia - daughter of
James I/VI, King of England, Ireland & Scotland - son of
Mary, Queen of Scots - daughter of
James V, King of Scots - son of
Margaret Tudor - daughter of
Elizabeth of York - daughter of
Edward IV, King of England - son of
Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York - son of
Richard of Conisburgh, Earl of Cambridge - son of
Isabella Perez of Castille - daughter of
Maria Juana de Padilla - daughter of
Maria Fernandez de Henestrosa - daughter of
Aldonza Ramirez de Cifontes - daughter of
Aldonza Gonsalez Giron - daughter of
Sancha Rodriguez de Lara - daughter of
Rodrigo Rodriguez de Lara - son of
Sancha Alfonsez, Infanta of Castile - daughter of
Zaida (aka Isabella) - daughter of
Al-Mu'tamid ibn Abbad, King of Seville - son of
Abbad II al-Mu'tadid, King of Seville - son of
Abu al-Qasim Muhammad ibn Abbad, King of Seville - son of
Ismail ibn Qarais - son of
Qarais ibn Abbad - son of
Abbad ibn Amr - son of
Amr ibn Aslan - son of
Aslan ibn Amr - son of
Amr ibn Itlaf - son of
Itlaf ibn Na'im - son of
Na'im II al-Lakhmi - son of
Na'im al-Lakhmi - son of
Zahra bint Husayn - daughter of
Husayn ibn Hasan - son of 

Hasan ibn Ali (عليه السلام) - son of
Fatima (عليه السلام) - daughter of
Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))

 

Edited by Akbar673
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member

In battles of good and evil, it's spiritual lineages that matter. From mentors to disciples the deposits of good or evil are made and carried forward. Biological lineages don't matter much here. 

Edited by MJ1015
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
4 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

Sorry, I have to disagree with you on that. The actions of our ancestors have no bearing on how we choose to live our lives and the decisions we choose to make. As I stated in my previous post I offer the example of Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr. A pious Sahaba of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who was trusted and considered part of Imam Ali's (عليه السلام) inner circle. How did his ancestry affect his actions and choices?

Let's take it a step further and talk about Muawiya ibn Yazid. The son of Yazid. Are you aware of what the opinion of him is based on Shi'a historians?

Let's flip this to the other side since you feel that "blood and DNA" play such an important part. How would you describe the brother of the 11th Imam (عليه السلام) Jafar ibn Ali al Hadi who claimed Imamate after the death of Imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام)? He descends from the line of our Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) as well as 11 of the Imams (عليه السلام) of the Ahle Bayt (in fact lets even take that a step further and call him a descendant of all of the Prophets (عليه السلام) that our Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) descends from, as well as Abu Talib also). Did his "blood and DNA" play a role in him claiming to be the next Imam?

Please provide proof of this stating that EVERY descendant of them will be amongst the Imam's (عليه السلام) enemies? I'm not doubting that their descendants will be amongst the enemies, I'm curious to know if EVERY descendant will be among them?

 

Salam, I didn't say every descendant of them will be amongst the enemies of Ahlul Bayt, even though that is my personal believe, unless they have reverted and Allah has shown them the path of Islam. I am pretty sure there will be Muslims and Shias in the enemies side too. But your DNA plays a big role, but you look at it in a conventional way. Yes you have free will, but that free will can't make you become an infallible Imam etc. Do you know of any Royal or Elite family that married outside their class, or blood? maybe you can mention some very few, but majority of them are very careful into choosing their partner, because they know how DNA affects the descendants, and They are very proud of that blood. Like seyids marrying seyids. For example, do you know that people sometimes pay thousands of thousand dollars for animal breeding, why? because of their DNA that makes them unique or superior, maybe in racing, or intelligence or looks etc.

 

4 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

While there is some level of logic since she descends from a member of the Spanish royal family who descended from Hasan e Muthanna the son of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام). However, this is all speculative since there is no concrete proof that states this. Here's the supposed Family Tree tracing her back to the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

Personally, I think this is a fiction created by the British media or govt. to make sure not only she, but also other members of the British Royal Family, wouldn't be attacked by Muslims by creating some fictional relation to the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). Thus ensuring their safety because apparently they thought that even the most extremist Muslim wouldn't think to attack them if they created this bloodline relation...:ko:

 

The lineage you quoted is not the correct one. If she is linked to someone most likely it's the ummayads.

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
4 hours ago, MJ1015 said:

In battles of good and evil, it's spiritual lineages that matter. From mentors to disciples the deposits of good or evil are made and carried forward. Biological lineages don't matter much here. 

I was talking about the Leaders of both sides. The leaders of the enemies of Islam as brother blueInk above said have their own 313. Namely the committee of 300 and the 13 bloodlines, you can look them up. Then you have the 313 of the Imam. They 313 of the enemies of Imam will most likely be the elite descendants of Ummayads, and the 313 of the Imam will most likely be elite seyid Families.

Then you have the millions of followers of both sides.

That's what I think, but I don't know the truth.

Allah knows the truth and knows best.

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
7 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I was talking about the Leaders of both sides. The leaders of the enemies of Islam as brother blueInk above said have their own 313. Namely the committee of 300 and the 13 bloodlines, you can look them up. Then you have the 313 of the Imam. They 313 of the enemies of Imam will most likely be the elite descendants of Ummayads, and the 313 of the Imam will most likely be elite seyid Families.

Then you have the millions of followers of both sides.

That's what I think, but I don't know the truth.

Allah knows the truth and knows best.

salam brother, 

 

yes, the servants of the anti 313 would be people we can see today: George Soros and the like. Maybe Soros is one step under on their ladder, but without doubt we can see the signs and symbolism. it is important to learn what these political announcements have as meanings

as for 313, I believe Ayatullah Khomeini (r) was a servant or middle-man of a major Shia family or member of the 313.

it is most certain that ibis has his elites. There are Hadiths which mention that iblis has a literal empire in the higher world. the Muslim jinn may well be treated like the Rohingya, Palestinians, Central African, Congolese, Indian Muslims today. We must use every opportunity we can to train English speakers to spread Farsi, to spread Shiism, to grow our communities in Africa, to uplift the world. this is part of winning the battle for Islam: hearts and minds.

 

By the way, have you noticed the crusades never ended? This time, they have all of Palestine as a beachhead into the Muslim world. They have intensified Muslim on Muslim warfare on every front: religious, family level, even down to taxi cabs where a cab driver beheaded a 6 year old boy for being a Shia.

We have to be kind to each other and our families. we should not merely see each other as "other"

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
14 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

While there is some level of logic since she descends from a member of the Spanish royal family who descended from Hasan e Muthanna the son of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام). However, this is all speculative since there is no concrete proof that states this. Here's the supposed Family Tree tracing her back to the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

 

lolz, Although I consider this a wrong because Elizebath is child of Queen Marry and her husband was English, child belongs to father and not to mother.

However, if there be someone who belong biologically to ahlebait (عليه السلام), it cannot lead people to respect them if they be unbelievers in Islam, just like Ishmaeli Imam Agha Khan. Imam Ali (عليه السلام) says that there be 20 Dajjals from my children and I have nothing to do with them. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
11 hours ago, Reza said:

What a worthless discussion topic. 

Salam. I have linked some of the few sources above if you are interested to check them out further.

http://www.britishroyalfamilytree.com/house-of-windsor/

quote " The Royal House of Windsor was founded in 1917, by royal proclamation of the Queen’s grandfather, King George V. The name was adopted as the new British Royal Family’s official name replacing that of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. This was due in the main to anti German feeling which was very much in evidence in Great Britain during World War I. Windsor remains the family name of the current British Royal Family. ". That information as far as I know wasn't public until some few years back when many truth speakers got the information out. So there is an incentive to hide their true ancestors. 

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu

 

 

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Nite.jogger
On 9/25/2019 at 6:45 PM, aaaz1618 said:

According to lecture I watched there are no descendants of Yazid. I think it might have been Ammar Nakhswani who said that today we find thousands of sayyids and nobody related to Yazid.

Anyway, sorry but the Queen is powerless, she has literally just been lied to by our PM and she had no idea. She just went along with whatever the next idiot says, and she's had three idiots saying things to her and getting her permission in the last three years. No questions asked, no intellect, no wisdom, she is as stupid and oblivious as the people she rules. There's nothing satanic to her, if anything she gets deceived not the other way around. 

Salam please do your research on the subject a little more...hint please check the ceremony when she became Queen 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Guest Nite.jogger said:

Salam please do your research on the subject a little more...hint please check the ceremony when she became Queen 

Walaikum salam...

Please, before you leave sarcastic comments, read what I wrote.

I said she 'is powerless'. 

You are suggesting she has the status she had in the 1950s, a time when we still had an empire. She no longer does and we no longer have one. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Veteran Member
18 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I didn't say every descendant of them will be amongst the enemies of Ahlul Bayt, even though that is my personal believe, unless they have reverted and Allah has shown them the path of Islam.

Well, that's a change of opinion from your earlier post on this. You were making the argument that "blood and DNA" determines a person's actions. Now you are saying that not "every descendant of them will be amongst the enemies". You're disproving your own theory right there. 

Which is it then? Is "Blood & DNA" and definite determinant of your actions or isn't it?

18 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

But your DNA plays a big role

How much of a role ?

18 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Yes you have free will, but that free will can't make you become an infallible Imam etc.

No one can be an infallible Imam (عليه السلام) other than the Ahle Bayt themselves...they were created to be as such with a specific role and purpose which necessitated not only their infallibility but their inherent character in addition to other traits which we don't even know about.

We, on the other hand, have also been created for a specific role and purpose but only Allah is aware of that. However, I'm sure you agree that we were not created to be infallible, so I'm not able to understand what your point really is. We can choose to be as close to infallibility as we can out of our own free will (regardless of the actions of our ancestors or "blood and DNA") and knowledge gained through education but we can't become an Imam (عليه السلام) of the Ahle Bayt.

18 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

maybe you can mention some very few, but majority of them are very careful into choosing their partner

Everyone should be careful in selecting their mates. Some choose to go by lineage (which I just don't see the validity of) while others choose to go by character (much more important in my opinion). Royal families (as well as some Aristocrats) fell into the trap of marrying within a certain class of people due to political reasons, as well as arrogance but its obvious that only marrying a certain type of person based on categories other than character or piety is a recipe for disaster.

18 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Like seyids marrying seyids

There is no rule or law (or even any Quranic verse or Hadith) which encourages Syeds marrying Syeds. Its only prevalent in the Sub-Continent because the Hindu caste system infected the Muslim mentality.

18 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

do you know that people sometimes pay thousands of thousand dollars for animal breeding, why? because of their DNA that makes them unique or superior, maybe in racing, or intelligence or looks etc.

It only makes them superior for commercial purposes. Horses, dogs, etc...are bred a certain way because it increases their monetary value. Horses are bred a certain way for racing purposes. Dogs are also bred a certain way for show purposes. Its all about financial profitability. That has nothing to do with humans and to apply that logic to human breeding is illogical. Breeding is only for physical attributes, it does not apply to mentality or intellect. 

18 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

The lineage you quoted is not the correct one.

Please post the one that you feel is correct.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Advanced Member
On 9/26/2019 at 7:30 PM, Akbar673 said:

Hasan e Muthanna the son of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام). However

Salam Hasan e Muthanna didn't has children but British agents in India spread this lie between Muslims of India because Muslim scholars in India said that Queen is Kafir that it mentioned in film of 'Queen and Abdul' too so they created this false family tree so safeguard her against Muslims but based some books & reports some people from tribes that involved in Martydom of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) migrated to Cyprus that keeping horse shoe as a sign that they ran over body of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) kept as  blessing &  spread by them between Europeans.

Edited by Ashvazdanghe
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Unregistered
1 hour ago, Akbar673 said:

Please post the one that you feel is correct.

Her family tree is from the Ummayads not the Ahlul Bayts. Check my original post. You can make your own research into this.

If you are not convinced or think this is complete nonsense. Then please brother. Lets agree to disagree.

Edited by AkhiraisReal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...