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This afternoon, a heavily made-up (make-up) Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi announced that the House will begin Impeachment Hearings on Donald J. Trump for "asking for foreign assistance in an election"..

The radio earlier said Trump will release the entire "full transcript" of his conversation with the new Ukrainian President tomorrow, Wed, the 25th.

Reportedly, Trump has asked the Ukrainian President to investigate former Vice-President Joe Biden's son and his business dealings in the Ukraine.

The Ukrainian energy company in question was under investigation by the US before Hunter Biden joined the company.

OPINE: Children and their activities can be a conduit to influence and even blackmail politicians. As a matter of practice, the higher the ranking of the politician and some other leaders, the more monitoring they have. So, prima facia, Trump has done nothing wrong.

Remembering an old case of this, Donald Nixon, I found this obituary that illustrates this point:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-06-30-me-1152-story.html 

 

REQUEST: Let us keep comments, and questions short. Info Packets maybe any required length. Thanks.

This thread may run for a long time.

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Some info:

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763502822/what-were-the-bidens-doing-in-ukraine-5-questions-answered 

It reports here that for sitting on the Burisma company board, Hunter Biden, Joe's son, is paid $50,000 per month. He stepped down from the board this past Spring to avoid a campaign issue for his father.

Under the US-Ukraine Tax Treaty (effective 01Jan01) Hunter Biden pays Ukrainian income tax at the maximum rate of 18% and no US income tax.

There is other info in the article.

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Wednesday, 1300EDT

:scarerun:"______! No wonder the Demoncrats a upset."

Transcript of the "impeachable" phone conversation: (1/2 we already knew)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/Trump-ukraine-unredacted-call-transcript-read-ukraine-president-released-by-white-house-today-2019-09-25-live-updates/     Located in a block about halfway down.

Trump's Concerns, 2:  Crowdstrike and the Biden's involvement in a prosecution.

Zelenskyy's Concern:  Ukraine's legacy of corruption.

To start reading on Crowdstrike:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Alperovitch 

OPINE: Superficially, with Ukraine being one massive gas field(for the EU) and buying American oil (Ukraine only has oil in two small sea areas northwest of Crimea); Crowdstrike Holdings, Sunnyvale, California (on $100million of Google Money)a possible Russian operation run out of the US directed at Ukraine with the Bidens possible caught up inthis mess can get very interesting.

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Looking up something else for this thread, l found these on Biden & son: 

 

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235020609-ukraine-unrest-official-thread/

Bottom of page 6, and then nearly half-way down page 7.

Some of the old citation links are no longer there. (WHY?) 

Edit-Add: OPINE: Notice how convoluted and involved the "Gas Board" is/was.  And in this thread, Russia, Snowden, EU, and 1/3 of World's known gas reserves.

On PBS News Hour, 25Sept19, Yamichi Alcindor reported that Trump's 2020Campaign Manager said that in the first 24 hours after Pelosi announced impeachment investigations, the Campaign recieved $5million in donations.

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OPINE: Just above, l used the word 'convoluted' to describe how complex this Biden-Burisma is. Well, Hunter Biden 'declined' another term on its gas board this past April after 5 years. 

But as l found in these, there is John Kerry's son, former-ClA, the United Kingdom's Serious Fraud Office, money laundering investigations, Polish Intelligence services, Cyprus, Panama, US AlD working with Burisma, . . . and more.

Too much to distill at this time.

Here are three articles, two recent and one from 2015:

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/I-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/ 

For a somewhat different tone: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/09/25/heres-what-happened-with-the-bidens-and-ukraine/#54e7e0a53938 

https://johnhelmer.net/the-hunt-for-burisma-when-the-pack-of-hounds-is-missing-its-master-the-fox-escapes/   -from 2015

Together about a 10 minute read

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Thurs, ~0800EDT 26Sept19

1] "Democrats call whistleblower complaint 'deeply disturbing'"

    . https://www.apnews.com/d4202c450b9542058f0d7764e982dcb0 

.     To Find this Link, enter title

2] The complaint is now declassified.

  .  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblower-complaint-on-ukraine-call-has-been-declassified-gop-lawmaker-says 

.     --former VP Joe Biden said on camera that he "successfully pressured Ukraine to fire that prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings --where Hunter Biden had a highly lucurative role . . ."

      --At the end of the article Fox News reports that news outlets like NYT, WaPo, CNN "inaccurately reported that the 'favor' related specifically to Biden."

3] DNI Joseph Maguire is set to testify at 0900hrs today.

4] The complaint is set to be released this Thursday morning.

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This is going to backfire and the Democrats would come out looking more clueless than before about how to deal with Trump.

Regardless of what he has said or done over the years, his core support still holds and gaining momentum. Like it or not this is the new reality of America.

Democrats might be able to give him a serious challenge if they strike the right notes and choose the right contender.

When I see someone as uninspiring and useless like Biden leading the polls, I see another four years of Trump in the White House.

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5 minutes ago, Marbles said:

This is going to backfire

This is how it may start:

In the Compaint:

p.1 "I was not a direct witness to most of the events described." (underline added -ed.)

p.2 "...the President pressured Mr.. Zelenskyy to, inter alia, (ed.- go to second item) assist in purportedly in uncovering that allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election originated in Ukraine, with a specific request that the Ukrainian leader  locate and turnover servers used by the Democrat National Committee (DNC) and examined by the U.S. cyber security firm Crowdstrike which initially reported that Russian hackers had penetrated the DNC's networks in 2016; and . . ." (bolface added -ed.)

p.3 "I was not the only non-White House official to receive a readout of the call."

OPINE: pp.3-4 After reading this complaint, its alleged transfer of this readout to an electronic system for especially sensitive nature is unfounded and not within the entry requirements of such a system [such as some war plans, certain tech advances, secret weapon systems, and cryptologly(which has a higher classification than nuclear devices).]

The remainder -as is the complaint in general- is a compilation of hearsay and news paper clippings.

The read is awkward to follow.

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Near then end of the 3 hour committee grilling, Chairman Adam Sharif asks DNl Joe Maguire:

Sharif: "I am asking you . . . do you believe there is a credible allegation by a whistleblower -corroborated by, apparently, multiple U.S. gov't officials- that the President (inaudible) is using his power of his office to solicit (or maybe 'elicit' -ed.) interference from a foreign country in the 2020 election. Do you believe that should be investigated?"

Maguire: "l don't believe it is corroborated by other folks. The whistleblower says he spoke or she spoke  to about a dozen other people. This is second-hand information."

Sharif interrupts the witness. Maguire went on to repeat that this is "hearsay".

Also during the hearings, it was revealed that this conversation was circulated within the gov't.

Hearing ends and CBS comes on and Nancy Cordes said the acting-DNI "he found this whistleblowers complaint credible" :liar:

Switching to ABC, George Stephenopoulos contrives  ". . . the Inspector General . . . when he found the whistleblower's complaint credible and the Director of Nat'l lntelligence also found the whistleblower's complaint so credible that he made a criminal referral to the Dep't of Justice. l mean, Uh-uh, Again, to take a step back, The Director of Nat'l lnteIIigence made a criminal referral on the President of the United States." (Then, another pendent begins, "Uh-uh And this got lost in a lot of the minutiae of this hearing.:liar: :hahaha: 

These troublemakers are tabloiding what they want and not anything factual.

l recorded portions of the hearing, which is what l transcribed from. Triple-checked.

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businessinsider.com (yesterday) new york times (today) and several quoting the Times say that the 'whistleblower' is a ClA agent who had temporary duty at the White House citing "3 people with knowledge of his identity".

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PBS News Hour  Thursday,26Sept19

Anchor Judy Woodruf said and Rep. Adam Schiff (D-28, CA) confirmed that he has been "named head of the House of Representatives 'move to impeachment' insofar Ukraine is involved".

Schiff is a grad of Harvard Law, served in the prosecution of Richard Miller for espionage. Until becoming Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee in Jan19, the Committee had pursued the 'Russian lnvestigation' and after he became Chairman with a Democratic four member majority, bitter partisan bickering erupted and the Russian investigation was discontinued. 

OPINE: As we now know Trump's phone call to Zelenskyy was about the 2016 Election and Russia -and by default Hillary- Crowdstrike and the location of the DNC servers which were hacked into. Now, it is all on Schiff's head so if anything blows-up, he alone is 'cooked'. Reminds me of why Peter Rodino was made Chairman of the Judiciary Committee in January '73 --he was too, expendable and Rodino was from a Congressional District that could flip or change at any time. Schiff won with about 3/4ths of the vote.

Why is the Intelligence Committee handling the move-to-impeachment and not the Judiciary Committee? Six committees are investigating.

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The spin-doctoring last night was a plethora of pronouncements. Way too many to list and some were outright lies.

But guess who emerged from her coven to denounce Trump -without evidence:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/27/hillary-clinton-oraises-nancy-pelosi-impeachment-inquiry/3785377002 

QUESTION: Why does Hillary 'object' to finding the DNC server? ? ?

Congress has gone a two week recess.

OPINE: this gives the media moguls two weeks to poll and pronounce so the Demoncrats can adjust their tactics.

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Why is Clinton always sticking her nose into things? Doesn't she realize she is completely irrelevant? Maybe she just misses hanging out with her friend Trump.

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6 hours ago, notme said:

Why is Clinton always sticking her nose into things? Doesn't she realize she is completely irrelevant? Maybe she just misses hanging out with her friend Trump.

One of the things being search for is the 2016 DNC server . . . which not only has the evidence and tracking of the hacking, but maybe her emails and some more classified data she didn't secure.

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The U.S. provides lethal and non-lethal aid to Ukraine with legislated provisions about suspension of such aid, as it is the will-of-Congress to recover financial assets stolen from the Ukrainian people and from prior assistance by the U.S.  Not cited here, but in May/June1019 the Defense Dep't "certified" as required by law that corruption within the Ukrainian Military has been subdued-to-ceased. This does not cover the non-lethal portions.

https://rferl.org/a/reports-Trump-mulling-suspension-of-military-aid-to-ukraine/30136751.html   30Aug19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_Support_Act 

A copy of the certification letter with prefacing material is here:

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/764453663/pentagon-letter-undercuts-Trump-assertion-on-delaying-aid-to-ukraine-over-corrup 

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Sub-Subject lnfo lnsert:

Inter-connectedness among Cyber Security Companies: note Crowstrike and Kaspersky; in addition Dell, Microsoft, and so on

https://www.kaspersky.com/about/press-releases/2012_how-kaspersky-lab-and-crowdstrike-dismantled-the-second-hlux-kelihos-botnet-success-story 

A review of Kaspersky, U.S. gov't activities against, etc. NOTE: Zoopark, Equation Group, Regin

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjbda5/kaspersky-sas-conference-russia-spying 

--a few paragraphs are literary scene-setters, but a lot of material; a 15 minute read

FBI, indictments, FancyBear, Ukraine, servers, . . .

https://www.cyberscoop.com/kaspersky-lab-greyenergy-zebrocy-russia-hacking/ 

Article No. 2  https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-codebook-2a1a9560-5ec0-4186-baa2-b6445db525b5.html  for 26Sept19

--article explains why "this is no server"; many security firms were involved in the 2016 DNC server hack; Trump "appears" to retain two or more 'conspiracy theories'; . . .

Read a few others, but these should do for now. Apparently, the Axios article is the only one reporting as it did.

 

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Now here is an oddity.

The U.S. Special Representative to Ukraine, former diplomat Kurt Volker, resigned Friday the 27th. His subpoena to appear before a Congressional committee is still in force.

At the bottom of this article, https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/27/Trump-ukraine-kurt-volker-rudy-giuliani-007212  it parenthetically reads,

"(BGR Group says Volker recused himself from all issues related to the gov't of Ukraine.)"

Note: in the past, Volker has lobbied for Ukraine.

Con'ting:

"Volker's mission was supposed to focus narrowly on resolving aspects of the Russia-Ukraine military standoff, but at times he seemed to go beyond that remit, the former White House official noted."

Last paragraph:

"The strangest thing about Volker's role, a former U.S. diplomat said, may be that it was part time given that "our relationship to Ukraine is a really important one."

My Question: How can you deal with a military without dealing with a gov't?

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Not True.

CBS 60Minutes [Sun,29Sept19] alleged that the whistleblower is under protection, as did several news outlets.

Today, Monday the 30th, this was denied and stated to be untrue.

"Concerns" about the complaintee's safety can be found here:

https://washingtonexaminer.com/news/whistleblower-fears-being-put-in-harms-way-by-Trump-and-his-allies-offering-a-bounty 

OPINE: Now we heard this hyped "fears for my safety" from Chrisley B. Ford and more famously during Watergate, when Attorney General's John Mitchell's wife Martha B. Mitchell said she was afraid "they are going to kill me".[She accused the White House of setting her husband up as the 'fall guy'.] This "safety" issue is a melo-dramatic 'ginning up' by the Democrats --who won't vote on this impeachment until December --a date declared, an indictment sealed before there has been any investigation.

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A disbutable revelation: a gov't official says this item is "scurrulous" in its implications.

Nevertheless:  The whistleblower worked with Biden and went with him to the Ukraine. Biden was Obama's "point man" on Ukraine even during the importation of soccer hooligans into Maidan Square.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-worked-with-whistleblower-when-he-was-vice-president-officials-reveal 

The official is Michael Atkinsons, the intell community's inspector general who briefed the House committee.

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Chairman Schiff misled Republicans and the media

https://fullmeasure.news/news/politics/impeachment-inquiry 

Sunday, October 13th 2019

video of Biden boasting in 2018 that he did get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who happened to be investigating the GasBoard Hunter Biden sat on at ~$50k/month by "threatening to withhold a billion-dollars in US aid."

Chairman Adam Schiff lied about his knowledge of the whistleblowers complaint, he had previously met with said whistleblower as did Congressional staff many times and did not tell the Republican members of the Committee.

The whistleblower is also required to disclose any contacts with Congress in the complaint form and did not.

OPINE: This is not a witchhunt, but a set-up.

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If you are a Trumpeteer you'll like this.

lf you hate-Trump you'll hate this.

The article shows how visceral the pandora's box (article's characterization) of impeachment is getting.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/7/inside-the-beltway-massive-pro-Trump-rally-set-for/ 

Oct 17th

Note: the first l have heard of this and it's the 15th today.

Polling info, problems for Demoncrats, etc.

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On 9/24/2019 at 3:04 PM, hasanhh said:

This afternoon, a heavily made-up (make-up) Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi announced that the House will begin Impeachment Hearings on Donald J. Trump for "asking for foreign assistance in an election"..

I strongly suspect that the reason these proceeding are taking off at this late stage is because Trump pulled back from attacking Iran.

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3 hours ago, hasanhh said:

The article shows how visceral the pandora's box (article's characterization) of impeachment is getting.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/7/inside-the-beltway-massive-pro-Trump-rally-set-for/ 

Oct 17th

Note: the first l have heard of this and it's the 15th today.

If this march happens, I predict there will be violence, which will be used to justify further removal of human and civil rights. 

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Not sure how true this is:

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When it comes to substantive issues that the elite all agree on (such as foreign policy), there is little to no pushback against the president, excepting when he utters statements that are read as critical of war and militarism.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/media-yells-cut-whenever-Trump-challenges-war-militarism/262315/

 

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Chairman/Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) has a PR problem -in the least.

The local news reported that interviews have been conducted by Committee Staff without telling the Republican members. l have yet find any other citation/report. [Update: PBS News Hour just did. Added a podium statement that Republicans "are not allowed to read".]

A Republican Op-Ed with info: https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/466150-the-comments-and-actions-of-schiff-demand-his-formal-censure 

For Adam Schiff bravado and that last Summer the diplomats in the field said the Ukraine investigation needed "to be re-opened" [[See 26Sept post above]]. Also, a partial review of events.  https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/news/nation/4724115-House-Dems-focus-on-Mulvaney-Bolton-after-key-testimony-in-impeachment-inquiry 

 

 

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On 10/15/2019 at 10:06 AM, hasanhh said:

If you are a Trumpeteer you'll like this.

lf you hate-Trump you'll hate this.

The article shows how visceral the pandora's box (article's characterization) of impeachment is getting.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/7/inside-the-beltway-massive-pro-Trump-rally-set-for/ 

Oct 17th

Note: the first l have heard of this and it's the 15th today.

Polling info, problems for Demoncrats, etc.

 

On 10/15/2019 at 1:52 PM, notme said:

If this march happens, I predict there will be violence, which will be used to justify further removal of human and civil rights. 

The best report l found is this 

https://www.bakersfield.com/news/Trump-supporters-mostly-met-with-support-at-local-rally/article_54c58d2e-f139-11e9-b76b-e795ac235632.html        notice the invaders' flag  

Other articles report crowds around the country in the 15/20 to 100 attendees.

 

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

Other articles report crowds around the country in the 15/20 to 100 attendees.

Well I'm glad there was no violence, but that's probably because nobody knew about the event. If there had been counter protestors, it would have gotten ugly. 

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On 10/16/2019 at 4:55 PM, Celtic Twilight said:

There is a huge amount of truth in it.

I believe they only play out a pre-scripted fake WWE wrestling match sort of a show. Trump has not started a new war simply because its not time for one, and not that he is keeping the swamp from spewing into and flooding more of the world.

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the Ukraine Field of Natural Gas  -the Future of EU Energy  & the stage setting in American politics 

As writ elsewhere, Ukraine is one humongous gas field. The EU with its closure of coal and nuclear plants, disappointing results with Wind-energy and limited solar potential is now transitioning rapidly to larger consumption of gas. lt is a doubled-down investment as anyone who heats with gas knows, it runs up your electric bill and the EU is building more gas-fire generators.

The cheapest way to get gas is by pipeline. LNG imports are expensive and are dominated by Qatar by a large margin with Algeria and Nigeria also selling LNG.  Beginning in 1964, France had the first LNG imports and these were/are from Algeria. From a chart, e3s-conference-2019 at doi.org, in the year 2000 the EU had 7 LNG terminals and currently have 28 --the rapid expansion beginning when it became apparent that the Gulf originating pipeline through Syria was not -and is not- going to happen. At the same time, Qatar bought a 1/4th stake in Rosneft.

Nearly all the gas produced in the EU is "consumed on site", as it is phrased, and growing at a decade long average of 1.7%. Imports by pipeline have grown over the same period at 3.3% and LNG  imports by 6%. This is also an unequal access situation for countries like ltaly which have no real accessability to pipelines. https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2019/march/a-long-term-view-of-natural-gas-security-in-the-European-union.html 

OPINE: Now what this has to do with lmpeachment is the corruption and the investment vehicles many in the US are involved in, most via Wall Street "private banking".  Example, you are a politician, you have a share of 'Big Bad Bucks, LLC' with deposits in a private banking account on Wall Street which then 'invests' the money in Ukrainian gas sales and stocks. Big money with need for a Big cover. [Forget Clinton Cash outfits, this is real money -from Europe. People gotta have heat.]  No wonder a Florida oil billionaire hired former Federal Prosecutor Rudy Giuliani to investigate to evaluate the soundness of his investments. Giuliani is also Trump's "personal lawyer" --a good investigative cover. As in the testimony before the House 'witchhunt' Committee, several times people involved said "Rudy has to be satisfied".

 

Addition by Edit: For a summary of the "Smear Campaign" against Marie Yovanovith, see:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Yovanovitch 

 

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lt is probably pretencious to begin this entry on the impeachment process with "The Schiff Show Trials", but is looks like this maybe the case.

On the radio Friday the 8th, was some interesting information:

--the "whistleblower"s name has been known to the Press for the past 6 weeks, but agreed not to publicize it.

--BUT he is in the Mueller Report as a whistleblower in the Russian investigation

This explani's Trump's comment about the whistleblower's name "be revealed" and "is a disgrace" and for "two years ago . . . be sued for Treason"

The wb's attorney sent a cease and desist letter to Trump because the wb "fears for his" safety/life. :hahaha:

And in typical Washington fashion, there was a Friday afternoon release of 2677 pages of selected witness statements.

OPINE: the White House attitude of "we have the Dems where we want them" maybe quite real.

 

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