The Night Journey?

[thegoodman81]

Hello, I have a quick question for my Shia friends.

Do the Shia believe in the Night Journey of Muhammad to Heaven and Jerusalem? I mean, I know there is probably a diversity of opinions, but generally speaking?

[aaaz1618]

I would be interested to know too, I personally believe it to be a vision and that the Masjid Al-Aqsa mentioned is not the one in Jerusalem. I also don't believe there were any mythological creatures with wings involved.

The 'sahih' Sunni hadiths give a very interesting and novel like account of the journey. It all just seems too similar to stories in other faiths to me.

[The Green Knight]

2 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

Hello, I have a quick question for my Shia friends.

Do the Shia believe in the Night Journey of Muhammad to Heaven and Jerusalem? I mean, I know there is probably a diversity of opinions, but generally speaking?

Your Prophet resurrected dead bodies that had been dead since centuries. And you think him to be a 3 in 1 or a 1 in 3 Son-of-Man-God God. Why the trouble with swallowing this then? Just curious. ^^

[aaaz1618]

10 minutes ago, Darth Vader said:

Your Prophet resurrected dead bodies that had been dead since centuries. And you think him to be a 3 in 1 or a 1 in 3 Son-of-Man-God God. Why the trouble with swallowing this then? Just curious. ^^

Sorry, who did he resurrect from centuries ago?

[The Green Knight]

6 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

Sorry, who did he resurrect from centuries ago?

Some nobody really.

[aaaz1618]

23 minutes ago, Darth Vader said:

Some nobody really.

Some nobody... 

By any chance are you referring to Lazarus? Lazarus wasn't dead for centuries.

Besides, Jesus is our Prophet too and we ought to give the poster the respect as he has given us.

Edited September 24, 2019 by aaaz1618

[aaaz1618]

@thegoodman81 for a Shi'a narrative you might find this link of use:

https://www.al-Islam.org/miraj-night-ascension/ahadith-traditions

In short, yes the night journey is part of Shi'a belief but unlike some narratives that claim he physically ascended into Heaven, their narrative is that he ascended in the form of a vision, so not a dream but a divinely sent vision.

[thegoodman81]

3 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

Your Prophet resurrected dead bodies that had been dead since centuries. And you think him to be a 3 in 1 or a 1 in 3 Son-of-Man-God God. Why the trouble with swallowing this then? Just curious. ^^

Hi Darth Vader, how's it going?
Actually, no, I don't have trouble believing that God could do something like this. I absolutely believe he empowered a donkey to speak, for example, and that's not much less far-fetched than the Night Journey. 

That being said, I don't believe Muhammad was true Prophet, and so I don't believe the Night Journey actually occurred either. But again, not because it seems far-fetched or silly.

[thegoodman81]

3 hours ago, aaaz1618 said:

@thegoodman81 for a Shi'a narrative you might find this link of use:

https://www.al-Islam.org/miraj-night-ascension/ahadith-traditions

In short, yes the night journey is part of Shi'a belief but unlike some narratives that claim he physically ascended into Heaven, their narrative is that he ascended in the form of a vision, so not a dream but a divinely sent vision.

Hi, @aaaz1618. Would you say this is the standard position among Shia? I am earnestly trying to learn. Thanks!

[The Green Knight]

2 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

That being said, I don't believe Muhammad was true Prophet,

So you believe in the existence of Prophets, in general?

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

3 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

Hi, Would you say this is the standard position among Shia? I am earnestly trying to learn. Thanks!

hi it's a principle belief of Shia & who doesn't believe to it is not a Shia anymore but we see its story from different points of vies.

Edited September 25, 2019 by Ashvazdanghe

[thegoodman81]

9 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

So you believe in the existence of Prophets, in general?

 

Hello! Yes, I do believe there have been many true Prophets. 

[The Green Knight]

17 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

Hello! Yes, I do believe there have been many true Prophets. 

Hello goodman. To be precise, I also meant to ask you that you realize that a Prophet is not a God but just a man, right? Just want to understand your religion brother.

[aaaz1618]

On 9/26/2019 at 7:58 AM, Darth Vader said:

Hello goodman. To be precise, I also meant to ask you that you realize that a Prophet is not a God but just a man, right? Just want to understand your religion brother.

What relevance is that to the question? You're just mocking the poster's beliefs, trying to get a reaction, it's blatantly obvious. In fact you have done nothing to answer the question in the entire thread. 

...And anyway, you never did tell me who that 'some nobody from centuries ago' that Jesus, peace be upon him, was supposed to have resurrected.

Maybe if you aren't going to answer the question straight, it's best to let others do so. If this was a forum meant for people to mock Christians, then why make ShiaChat open to people of all beliefs?

[The Green Knight]

3 hours ago, aaaz1618 said:

What relevance is that to the question? You're just mocking the poster's beliefs, trying to get a reaction, it's blatantly obvious. In fact you have done nothing to answer the question in the entire thread. 

...And anyway, you never did tell me who that 'some nobody from centuries ago' that Jesus, peace be upon him, was supposed to have resurrected.

Maybe if you aren't going to answer the question straight, it's best to let others do so. If this was a forum meant for people to mock Christians, then why make ShiaChat open to people of all beliefs?

You are wrong brother. thegoodman81 and myself are also conversing privately since a few weeks, why don't you ask him if he also felt offended? There is no offense intended rather only dialogue stemming from curiosity. He is understanding our religion I am understanding his.

It is unfortunate that you think I have been mocking in this thread.

Edited September 27, 2019 by Darth Vader

[thegoodman81]

On 9/27/2019 at 3:22 AM, aaaz1618 said:

What relevance is that to the question? You're just mocking the poster's beliefs, trying to get a reaction, it's blatantly obvious. In fact you have done nothing to answer the question in the entire thread. 

...And anyway, you never did tell me who that 'some nobody from centuries ago' that Jesus, peace be upon him, was supposed to have resurrected.

Maybe if you aren't going to answer the question straight, it's best to let others do so. If this was a forum meant for people to mock Christians, then why make ShiaChat open to people of all beliefs?

Hi,  no worries @aaaz1618. In online discussions sometimes a person's tone or intent doesn't come through. but I could tell @Darth Vader was genuine. I appreciate your concern though,  because it will help keep Shiachat the kind of place we all want it to be. 

[Ani]

Do you believe in God sent books ? Qur'an is one of them and God confirms about the night journey in the Qur'an.

Once someone asked a companion/follower of Prophet Muhammad SAWW's if he believed in the story Mohammed SAWW is telling to people about the night journey...that all of it happened in one night so the companion / follower  said that I believe in the One True God that I haven't even seen because of Mohammed SAWW...so how can I doubt about the night journey. 

One should follow their religion but do not be blind. Keep your mind open...listen to your heart... Only the heart is able to differ wrong from right...only the heart has the power to lead you to a peaceful life...

Human beings have been following their ancestors faith blindly since the beginning of times... 

Edited September 28, 2019 by Ani

[aaaz1618]

3 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

but I could tell @Darth Vader was genuine.

Fair enough, I'm glad all is amicable.