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[Closed/Review]Khamenei - Hussain (as) of the time?

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1 minute ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

So, just because you watched a channel that insulted your marja, I am immediately responsible for it?

At least we don’t call our marja, “the Ark of Salvation, and the Lamp of Guidance to the Ummah,” or seek help from him like Ṣūfis, right?

you are source of insulting in shiachat & rest of Shirazis are under your influence & your accusation always based on random pictures without real evidence like as wahabists that show a rare image from Shias & conclude that all Shias are the same like as you make this baseless & hateful accusations & conclusions about Imam Khamenei & his followers.

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2 hours ago, realizm said:

:salam:

He adresses devoted followers. Why making a fuss about it.

And get with it, the path of Hezbullah and WF proved successful in every struggle they fought so far. Makes one wonder ?

What a strange response. Anyone can have "devoted followers", there are thousands of cults. The difference is our religion is not the religion of men. The fuqaha are normal humans, there isn't a "chosen one" among them. 

As for your second point, that's even worse than the first. That's like Sunnis who argue how great their Caliphs are because of their conquests and their victories in battles. This is not how we judge greatness in Tashayyu.

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4 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Seyyed Nasrallah is a follower of Imam Khamenei, just like you and me are followers of seyyed Sistani. So if a fatwa comes from seyyed Sistani regarding an issue that the other scholars will say something else about, then we too MUST follow seyyed Sistani, unless you for some reason change your marjae taqlid.

This isn't a Fiqh issue. Nasrallah made an analogy and a comparison between following Ali (عليه السلام) as opposed to the companions, with following Khamenei as opposed to other ulama. Nasrallah is saying Khamenei's way is the way of Haqq (like Ali), and the rest of the ulama are the way of batil (like the companions).

4 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

As far as loyalty and the comparison to Imam al Hussein(عليه السلام) goes:

Anyone who supports those who follow the message of Imam al Hussein is being loyal, not to the person they support, but to the message of Imam al Hussein(عليه السلام), that means by supporting his message and those who live it, your being loyal to Imam al Hussein(عليه السلام).

That is why I have no problems with supporting the efforts of ayatollah Khamenei in fighting the enemies of Islam even though I neither follow WF nor have him as my marja.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Loyalty to Al-Husayn (عليه السلام) is different to loyalty to Khamenei, you seem to fail to understand that. Many jurists and ulama DISAGREE with Khamenei, that is fine in the Shari'ah, fuqaha have the right to disagree with one another. But one cannot disagree with Al-Husayn (عليه السلام), or any infallible. This is the difference.

What Nasrallah is saying is that the only true way is that of Khamenei, when he calls him the Husayn (عليه السلام) of our time, despite the fact that many ulama disagree.

I do understand what you are saying, I believe it is just apologetics for something obviously wrong.

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3 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Loyalty to Al-Husayn (عليه السلام) is different to loyalty to Khamenei, you seem to fail to understand that. Many jurists and ulama DISAGREE with Khamenei, that is fine in the Shari'ah, fuqaha have the right to disagree with one another. But one cannot disagree with Al-Husayn (عليه السلام), or any infallible. This is the difference.

What Nasrallah is saying is that the only true way is that of Khamenei, when he calls him the Husayn (عليه السلام) of our time, despite the fact that many ulama disagree.

Salam you totally misunderstood speech of Nasrullah because he never said that way of other in not true & majority of people in time of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) disagreed with him & martyred him for better clarification way of grand ayatollah Sistani in like as Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) that is silent ruling over Shia community but Imam Khameni & sayed Nasrullah choosed way of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) with doing struggle with enemies of Islam but at end of they all three of them have same agenda with differnt proxies & all of three are supporting each other as by command of grand ayatollah Sistani Hashd group established in Iraq . 

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22 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam you totally misunderstood speech of Nasrullah because he never said that way of other in not true & majority of people in time of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) disagreed with him & martyred him for better clarification way of grand ayatollah Sistani in like as Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) that is silent ruling over Shia community but Imam Khameni & sayed Nasrullah choosed way of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) with doing struggle with enemies of Islam but at end of they all three of them have same agenda with differnt proxies & all of three are supporting each other as by command of grand ayatollah Sistani Hashd group established in Iraq . 

Totally different brother. There is no "way of Hasan (as)" and "way of Husayn (as)" here, what the Imams (عليه السلام) do is based on divine inspiration, the inheritance of knowledge by the Prophet (saww) and the knowledge bestowed upon them by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

What Khamenei does, or any other faqih, is based on opinion. It cannot be compared to what Husayn (عليه السلام) does, or made like that in an analogy.

When Nasrallah says "Husayn of our time" that means he believes whatever Khamenei does is correct without question, and that is completely false.

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8 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Totally different brother. There is no "way of Hasan (as)" and "way of Husayn (as)" here, what the Imams (عليه السلام) do is based on divine inspiration, the inheritance of knowledge by the Prophet (saww) and the knowledge bestowed upon them by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

What Khamenei does, or any other faqih, is based on opinion. It cannot be compared to what Husayn (عليه السلام) does, or made like that in an analogy.

When Nasrallah says "Husayn of our time" that means he believes whatever Khamenei does is correct without question, and that is completely false.

I think Seyed Nasrallah just wanted to say that ayatollah Khamenei is a great leader but probably didn't use an appropriate comparison for it. 

I really don't think that Hassan nassrallah consider ayatollah Khamenei as equal to Imam Hossein (عليه السلام). 

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10 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

What Khamenei does, or any other faqih, is based on opinion. It cannot be compared to what Husayn (عليه السلام) does, or made like that in an analogy.

When Nasrallah says "Husayn of our time" that means he believes whatever Khamenei does is correct without question, and that is completely false

Nasrullah  never said that follows him without question but knows his way as best option for that region against Zionists but we read history of Imams to follow their way in every aspect of our life that fighting with enemies of Islam is the most important aspect of it but if only we care about Imam hussain (عليه السلام) just for crying for him during Muharram so what's our diference with other sects that don't have a proper right model for our life without following way of our Imams in best mode we would be like as other Sunni countries like as ksa that have good connection with zionists & Israel & step by step are normalizing having western nightclubs & maybe accepting hemosexuality & gay marriage under 2030 proxy.

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5 hours ago, realizm said:

And the relation between the OP and the calling of Aiyesha 'Sayida' is ?

Controversy, which some people think never happened with Nasrallah. Addressing Aisha as Sayyedah was one, asking to follow Sayyed Khamenei as opposed to other ulama (with analogy of Imam Ali (as)) was another and now calling him Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) of the time. What follows in future would be more polemical. 

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The speech isn't rocket science. What the chipmunk are you guys fussing about? Nasrallah is convinced that Seyyed Khamenei is on the path of haqq and if push comes to shuv you shoyld follow him.

It's not requested that everyone agrees with him, and those that do agree don't really care what others think.They are preparing for farraj their way, other Shias that don't agree are preparing their way. When Imam comes, we will see who was prepareing the right way. Until then, respect each other and pray for farraj. Khalaas!

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