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Greta Thunberg hype, why?

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5 minutes ago, notme said:

since I am convinced by the science and you are not.

It is not a 'science' but an accusation.

6 minutes ago, notme said:

I believe the two are intertwined.

In the umbrella sense. Yet, plastic is cheaper than paper when all the manufacturing costs and such as added up. So the problem will continue to exasperate.

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I should add "unnecessary" to "single use plastic". For medical and scientific purposes, and probably some other purposes that I haven't thought of, single use plastics are good. Plastic wrappings, bottles, and such are a contaminant. And cigarette butts.

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@notme  lt has been more than a decade ago that l read this, but unlike before when l could go into a store and get whatever part or product (except glue because of glue-sniffing which started in the 60s so you had to ask for many of them) take it the counter and pay; shop-lifting had become such a problem that products need to be packaged (and my adding RFDed) to protect the proprietors from substantial monetary losses.

That in itself is a lot of single-use plastic and fibre board.(and manufacturing costs).

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:hahaha: [in paraphrase: The 'haters' are conspiring against me. ]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49855980 

Not one time have l heard anyone criticize her clothes, looks or anything other than her conduct and 'message'.

Look at the one picture in the margin, with Greta's 'saintly crown'. :shock: Now that is belittlement -and by her own demon-strators.

"How dare . . . you" she should again say . . . but likely not.

Added/Edit: Another link to picture from reuters

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/world-leaders-get-schooled-by-an-angry-greta-thunberg-for-failing-to-meet-climate-targets-376343.html 

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2nd link to disgusting picture

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Green capitalism is using Greta Thunberg

Jun 1 · 5 min read

Translation of ‘Le capitalisme vert utilise Greta Thunberg’, an article published by French media outlet Reporterre on 9 February 2019

9 February 2019 / Isabelle Attard

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Our columnist lived for several years in Swedish Lapland and chaired the French-Swedish Friendship Group at the National Assembly. It is therefore from a place of fondness that she examines the story of the young environmental activist Greta Thunberg.

Isabelle Attard served as a Green deputy for the French department of Calvados. She describes herself as a green anarchist.

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Isabelle Attard

For about five months now, a 16-year old Swedish girl with Asperger syndrome has found herself in the international media spotlight. To make her voice heard, she went on school strike. Her cause is just. For her, it is about sending a message to billionaires and political decision makers — be that at the COP24 in Poland, or recently at Davos, asking them to respect their commitments to climate action. Her last speech moved almost every environmental activist the world over:

“I don’t want you to be hopeful, I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. I want you to act as if you would in a crisis. I want you to act as if the house is on fire, because it is. […] We still have a small chance to stop greenhouse gases and save a large part of the population on our planet a whole lot of suffering.”

Behind these powerful moments, we find a Swedish public relations genius, Ingmar Rentzhog. The other side of the fairy tale is less pretty, but more interesting.

According to my research, Swedish investigative journalist Andreas Henriksson is the first to have investigated this issue. His article was published on the blog of Rebecca Weidmo, on December 11 2018.

Everything was carefully planned to transform the young Swede into an international heroine

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Greta Thunberg on strike in front of the Swedish Parliament

Greta Thunberg’s story begins on August 20, 2018. Ingmar Rentzhog, co-founder of the start-up We Don’t Have Time, bumps into Greta in front of the Swedish Parliament and publishes a moving post on his Facebook page. We are on the first day of a strike started by Greta. August 24 sees the release of an autobiography on the Thunberg’s family crisis and the climate crisis. Scener ur hjärtat (Scenes from the Heart) is co-authored by Greta’s mother Malena Ernman, her father Svante Thunberg, her sister Beata, and Greta. Her artist parents — an opera singer and an actor — are very well known in Sweden; Greta, not yet.

In fact, Ingmar Rentzhog and Greta’s family already know each other, having taken part in a climate conference on May 4, 2018. The encounter between Ingmar and Greta on the pavement in front of the Parliament in Stockholm was hardly by chance then.

Everything was carefully planned to transform the young Swede into an international heroine, right from the time the first article appeared in the most read paper of the country, Aftonbladet — only a few hours after Rentzhog’s Facebook post.

We Don’t Have Time, the start-up Rentzhog co-founded in 2016, aims to create a social network of more than 100 million members who will influence politicians and business leaders to do more to tackle climate change. That’s what’s on their website at least.

Now this is where it gets complicated. Among the shareholders of the start-up, we find members of the two interconnected families: the Perssons, children of the billionaire Sven Olof Persson, who made their fortune in large part by selling cars (Bilbolaget Nord AB), and the Rentzhogs. The two families of investors, who met in the region of Jämtland, have no connections to environmentalism, they are specialists in finance.

Saving the planet by continuing to pursue economic growth and demanding more globalisation

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Ingmar Rentzhog, or how to use Greta Thunberg to promote green growth

In May 2018, Ingmar Rentzhog is recruited as chairman of Global Utmaning (Global Change), a think tank promoting sustainable development. It declares itself politically independent. Its founder is none other than Kristina Persson, daughter of the billionaire and former Social Democrat minister (2014–2016) who was responsible for strategic development and Nordic co-operation. An analysis of the think tank’s tweets reveals strong political engagement. At the beginning of the EU election campaign we see a focus towards an alliance covering the Social Democrats to the Swedish right. “Nationalisms” — emerging all over Europe and internationally — are painted as the enemy. Ideas which would go down well with our dear President Macron.

On 16 January, 2019, Global Utmaning proudly announced on its social media its new collaboration with Global Shapers, a community of young leaders aged between 20 and 30 “equipped with strong potential to play a role in the future of society and who work to improve the situation of populations around them”. This network was created by the World Economic Forum in 2011. Its leaders intend to save the planet while continuing to pursue economic growth and demanding more globalisation. An entire agenda.

To sum up: on the one hand, we have a digital platform under construction, We Don’t Have Time, which took off in a big way within a matter of months thanks to Greta Thunberg who served as a youth advisor to the foundation running the platform. Incidentally, I forgot to point out that the hundreds and thousands of email addresses collected by Rentzhog are worth a fortune. On the other hand, we have a family of billionaires including a former Minister who after investing in the start-up recruits Ingmar Rentzhog to a think tank working on green growth, the circular economy — what we can, in short, call greenwashing.

It is this greenwashing that enables capitalism to continue. Greta Thunberg finds herself advising those she castigates. As Giuseppe Tomasi Di Lampedusa, author of The Leopard said, “everything must change so that everything can stay the same.”

  • Post-script: So that things are clear — the cause of this young teenager and all the young people following her, all over the world, is righteous and a great source of hope for environmental awareness. That being said, we shouldn’t be fooled by the role of certain adults in her entourage — spin doctors, mentors, specialists in greenwashing, green growth and capitalism. To wage an effective fight, we cannot allow ourselves to be fooled.
  • This column by Isabelle Attard was translated into Italian by the Osservatorio internazionale Per I Diritti.
  • In a post published on her Facebook page on February 2, 2019 and translated by Reporterre, Greta Thunberg responded to her critics.
  • Reporterre was the first French media outlet to interview Greta Thunberg and to communicate her call in December 2018 at the United Nations: read it here.

source: https://medium.com/@frackfree_eu/green-capitalism-is-using-greta-thunberg-66768db6c0e1

Edited by AkhiraisReal

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Catastrophism 

Forty and Forty-five years ago, it was the same end-of-the-World with the US and USSR/CCCP 

https://www.independent.co.United Kingdom/life-style/fashion/greta-thunberg-climate-change-strike-protest-lvmh-bernard-arnault-un-a9122511.html 

He said Greta is "demoralizing" young people.

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There's a reason us old people don't jump and run at the "science".

1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989
1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources by 2000
1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
1970s: Killer Bees!
1970: Ice Age By 2000
1970: America Subject to Water Rationing by 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
1972: New Ice Age By 2070
1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
1974: Another Ice Age?
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
1980: Peak Oil In 2000
1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
1996: Peak Oil in 2020
2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
2002: Peak Oil in 2010
2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
2005: Manhattan Underwater by 2015
2006: Super Hurricanes!
2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
2009: United Kingdom Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos
2019: We need you to convince them it’s really going to happen this time using a 16 year old child.

 
 
 
 

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^^^After the two blizzards in 1976-1978, a new lce Age was given credence because by the end of Summer/Fall 1978, the snowpack in Ontario had not melted (Time magazine).

The snow pushed up at the local supermarket did not finally melt away until the first week of June in our southern, Mid-West town.

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8 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

There's a reason us old people don't jump and run at the "science".

I understand, but you know why I jumped on the climate change bandwagon? If we do some or all of the things that environmentalists want us to do to combat climate change, the absolute worst that can happen is we end up with a cleaner, safer, healthier world and some sparkling new technologies. There are no negative side effects of taking action, and possibly plenty of maintaining inaction.

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1 hour ago, notme said:

I understand, but you know why I jumped on the climate change bandwagon? If we do some or all of the things that environmentalists want us to do to combat climate change, the absolute worst that can happen is we end up with a cleaner, safer, healthier world and some sparkling new technologies. There are no negative side effects of taking action, and possibly plenty of maintaining inaction.

I do not agree. Respectfully, this is a Luddite Attitude.

These mean-greenies and the social democrats wish the US to be like Europe and Japan, with elaborate public transport, sea-based wind farms and so on.

The EU is 1.72 million square miles with a population density of 303 people per square mile.

The US is 3.8 million square miles with a population density of 87 people per square mile -or 30+ taxpayers per square mile.

And compared to the early 70s, the US is already "a cleaner, safer, healthier world".

The 'biggies': unleaded gasoline, auto safety, advances in medical technology.

One example, it was a ~1952 newspaper l was reading over l believe and an adjacent article reported that the previous year  auto accidents took 92,000+ lives on a population base of about 150 million. In 2018, auto deaths were about 40,000 on a population base of ~323 million and 200+ million vehicles.  Railroad deaths were 443 (9 on train + 434 pedestrians) on a ridership of 31 million.

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4 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

And compared to the early 70s, the US is already "a cleaner, safer, healthier world".

This is true, even since I was old enough to notice in the 80s, but some improvement isn't enough to stop. The goal is still a long way off.

I'm no Luddite, I want the technology to be used for good not for greed, but overall technology is clearly a benefit to humanity.

But yes, I do want public transportation, walkable communities, dedicated green spaces, and all that good stuff. I want all major infrastructure projects to be undertaken with more than the current level of consideration of their long term impacts on communities and ecosystems. Even though the current consideration of impact is a pain in the neck to project designers and owners, it's of critical importance and it isn't enough. There are too many loopholes.

My dream is for us to live as closely as possible to the people on Earth as shown in Star Trek, except sans spandex and minidresses.

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I want a garden fork that lasts longer than two seasons. I have one. It was in the back of one of the sheds when I got here. I left it alone because the wood was rather rough. I have bought a few garden forks in the last few years. The plastic handles always break. This year I used the old one with the metal handle. Plastic handles = resales. We've gone from end users to consumers. The most environmental thing I can do with the broken garden forks is keep them until I can find metal handles, and never buy one again.

Getting rid of gas and oil is tremendously complex. There is no way to rid your life of plastic. We consume and expel plastic daily. A wind turbine still requires more energy in the manufacturing that it generates in it's lifetime...and still requires oil. I set up a 100W solar panel, controller, battery, inverter, to water my greenhouse. It worked great all "summer", 13.1v but one weekend of snow and the battery is down to 10.2v. I got a quote on a solar farm. Large enough to cover my needs and feed the grid. I'm not allowed to go off grid, therefore I have no choice but to tie grid. This allows the electric company to continue charging me for their service, plus the cost of the farm, an acre of farm land, and payments that would resemble a second mortgage. I would end up paying double my present energy costs until the day I die. The amount they pay you for electricity feeding the grid can be calculated in micro dollars. I have no idea the energy used in manufacture of a solar panel.

I put a pic on fb last spring. It was as horrific as those you see telling you how all the bees are dying. The base of the hive covered in (estimate 4500) dead bees. Actually, they were bees that died of old age, replaced with new bees, as is their cycle. Life span of a honey bee, 45 days. Average time spend in a hive over winter, could be 180 days. A bee keeper can show you two things in the spring. How many bees have died, and how much the colony has grown. They only show you the dead bees. To those that don't know the life cycle of a bee, this can be very disturbing.  

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14 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

There's a reason us old people don't jump and run at the "science".

1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989
1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources by 2000
1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
1970s: Killer Bees!
1970: Ice Age By 2000
1970: America Subject to Water Rationing by 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
1972: New Ice Age By 2070
1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
1974: Another Ice Age?
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
1980: Peak Oil In 2000
1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
1996: Peak Oil in 2020
2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
2002: Peak Oil in 2010
2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
2005: Manhattan Underwater by 2015
2006: Super Hurricanes!
2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
2009: United Kingdom Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos
2019: We need you to convince them it’s really going to happen this time using a 16 year old child.

 
 
 
 

this^^

Could it be that all the attention on climate change, is to distract us from something else?

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1 minute ago, AkhiraisReal said:

this^^

Could it be that all the attention on climate change, is to distract us from something else?

Of course it is, power over people.
If you're afraid of something, you'll do everything you can to make it go away. If it's past your ability you'll give everything you have to make it go away.

As I see it, Mother Earth doesn't care what grows on her, she purifies and carries on. We may destroy ourselves, we won't destroy the Earth. Man is arrogant to think he can cause it, and stupid if he thinks he can reverse it.

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Well, l hope whomever is behind using a child is  "happy" now. See: Green Capitalism above.

On 9/28/2019 at 7:12 AM, hasanhh said:

[in paraphrase: The 'haters' are conspiring against me. ]

Although this time this is not a laughing matter.

https://www.newsweek.com/greta-thunbergs-13-year-old-sister-suffers-bullying-threats-harassment-siblings-climate-1465249 

"The people who write threats and hate to me do it to the whole family, even to her."

Q: l wonder if bots are doing this, or it is 'black flag'. :worried:

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I wonder if people realise that pushing and forcing the world to become "greener" will result in people losing their jobs and countries losing their main source of revenue.

The fossil fuel industry is one of the largest employing and job creating industries in the world, worth trillions of dollars, and the services, goods and products that come out of it are basically essentials in our lives. 

You have to offer real cost effective and job keeping alternatives for your proposals to be taken serious. Your magnificent electric car is yet to be cheap enough for average people to afford it. Electric trucks are still new and not as efficient as diesel trucks on a large scale. You won't get an electric planes or cargo ships anytime soon. 

And not to mention the daily chemicals and products you may use in your home contain ingredients extracted from oil. That's why the petrochemical industry will be the main reason for any increase in oil demand.

It's easy to talk, not easy to act.

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