Were the Prophet's marriages to Aisha & Hafsa a colossal mistake?

[Abu_Zahra]

5 hours ago, khamosh21 said:

I'm not comparing the importance of one historical event over the other. any decision made by the Prophet is important, including a momumental marriage to a very important personality in Islam... how is it we have no info on it?

Simply because it isnt as complicated as you are making it out to be. The Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) married several women, but there isn't necessarily a long and complex story behind every marriage. 

Wallahu a'lam 

[Guest Pschological Warfare]

On 9/1/2019 at 3:57 AM, khamosh21 said:

This is supposedly the last and best Prophet sent to mankind, and he can't even make good marriage decsions?

"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."

As a general rule, we do not question our Mawla. 

Unless, you feel entitled and have the ability to access him and his lord. Which is a logical impossibility.

[khamosh21]

4 minutes ago, Mahdavist said:

Simply because it isnt as complicated as you are making it out to be. The Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) married several women, but there isn't necessarily a long and complex story behind every marriage. 

Wallahu a'lam 

maybe...I still find it odd...

 

2 minutes ago, Guest Pschological Warfare said:

"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."

As a general rule, we do not question our Mawla. 

Unless, you feel entitled and have the ability to access him and his lord. Which is a logical impossibility.

no idea how this is connected to asking abt history? seems more like Shia bias...

[Abu_Zahra]

4 minutes ago, Guest Pschological Warfare said:

"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."

As a general rule, we do not question our Mawla. 

Unless, you feel entitled and have the ability to access him and his lord. Which is a logical impossibility.

I don't think there's anything wrong with someone trying to gain knowledge and understanding, especially about a point on which they have some doubts. 

I disagree with the way the question has been phrased and the kinds of comments that have been made about the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). Regardless we have attempted to address it. 

Wallahu a'lam 

[Guest Psclohogical warfare]

9 minutes ago, khamosh21 said:

mno idea how this is connected to asking abt history? seems more like Shia bias...

Judgmental Investigation in the Mute Qur'an and Talking Qur'an are not logically Possible. Unless you are the author or the Creator.

You are free to investigate history. Without Judging the Infallible and their lord. Unless you are looking to advice their Creator on his mistakes.

[Guest Pschological warfare]

On 9/2/2019 at 4:36 PM, Ibn al-Hussain said:

In ten years of marriage, all you can find is one marital issues between her and the Prophet (p) - where verses are revealed condemning her and also admonishing the Prophet at the same time? Do husband and wife together, or one party (husband or the wife) not get into disputes and issues with one another during the course of their married life? Is that so abnormal and strange?

What is the Qur'an and is it not he Guide for mankind till the end of time. Or its is a book of small marriage issues. 

To preserve something in a book which is to serve as a Guide and the most Authentic record for the entire mankind. Should have some significance. 

In my layman opinion, Political Islam marketed some individuals as the Source of Guidance and emulation contrary to the ones Qur'an presented as the Source of Guidance and emulation.

God insured, His plan is not undermined by documenting the issue. 

 66:4] If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up.

[Cool]

22 hours ago, khamosh21 said:

Not a single reply in this thread addresses what happened at the time. It's pointless to discuss an event without knowing the history around it.

Well, perhaps you would be more comfortable in reading the history through Sunni source. You may read Sahih Bukhari where you will find a hadith narrated by Aisha in which she has mentioned that Gabra'il came to Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) in his dream (perhaps he came twice as far as I remember), taking Aisha wrapped in a silk cloth, and said to Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) that she is your wife. The Prophet when wake up from sleep ssid if this dream is from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), it will come true.

What you can learn from this hadith?

A part from that you will find that that six year old girl had a remarkable memory and that she was very intelligent. And that Prophet feels himself under the debt burdan of the favors of Abu Bakr and were in search of an opportunity to get rid of that debt.

That's all.

[Flying_Eagle]

On 9/1/2019 at 4:03 AM, Ibn al-Hussain said:

How on Earth is he supposed to know what will happen right after he dies, let alone 1400 years later? It would be considered a blunder if he (p) got married to them knowing what will be the fate of the Muslim nation due to them and their actions.

Really, brother you know Arabic and you have studied in Shia Madrasah?

I think I would also get a free degree from such Madrasah as I am not good at religion but want to wear Imamah. would look stylish ? Don't you think?

[Flying_Eagle]

14 hours ago, khamosh21 said:

So one of the most important marriages in Islam, and Shias don't have any historical record of what happened, how, and why in reality it took place (not mere speculation)... no mention of it by their 12 perfect Imams, or their countless scholars... how does this make sense?

Also my problem isn't that the Prophet married someone of bad character, problem is the impact it is had on Islam and the ummah until now.

someone asked whats the point of it all... really what is the point of it all? thats really my fundamental question... I no longer understand the purpose of life as explained by Islam.

You should ask Allah why he created Shaitan? Why Noah and Lut had bad wives too. It might be that Allah shows you that even if someone among your relatives be bad, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) will not forgive them for just being relatives. 

[Flying_Eagle]

@khamosh21

Just leave your obstinacy and accept that realities might differ from how you perceive, Islam will be much easier to understand. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Flying_Eagle

[power]

On 9/3/2019 at 2:03 PM, Cool said:

 And that Prophet feels himself under the debt burdan of the favors of Abu Bakr and were in search of an opportunity to get rid of that debt.

This is not true. The Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)@hf) was never in debt of Abu Bakr. 

[Cool]

3 hours ago, power said:

This is not true. The Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)@hf) was never in debt of Abu Bakr. 

What is true in their arguments?

As for those who think they have put the Prophet under obligation with their acceptance of Islam or with their sacrifices, the following verse is sufficient:

Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 17:
يَمُنُّونَ عَلَيْكَ أَنْ أَسْلَمُوا قُل لَّا تَمُنُّوا عَلَيَّ إِسْلَامَكُم بَلِ اللَّهُ يَمُنُّ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنْ هَدَاكُمْ لِلْإِيمَانِ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ

They think that they lay you under an obligation by becoming Muslims. Say: Lay me not under obligation by your Islam: rather Allah lays you under an obligation by guiding you to the faith if you are truthful.
(English - Shakir)

And about her intelligence, what an intelligent lady she was!!!! That she narrated more than 2000 ahadith, most of which are her inventions. So where her intelligence took her? One can imagine!!!

[khamosh21]

On 9/4/2019 at 12:44 AM, Flying_Eagle said:

@khamosh21

Just leave your obstinacy and accept that realities might differ from how you perceive, Islam will be much easier to understand. 

if something differs from how you perceive it, finding it easier to understand is not logically possible. what you are saying is just ignore apparent problems in Islam and take blind faith, much like all other religions.

[Flying_Eagle]

1 minute ago, khamosh21 said:

if something differs from how you perceive it, finding it easier to understand is not logically possible. what you are saying is just ignore apparent problems in Islam and take blind faith, much like all other religions.

It depends on you whether you trust someone or not. If you think lowly of a person, you won't change your opinion even if every clarification is before you because you want to defeat him at any cost but problem is that a true person is not affected by your doubts or suspicions just because you don't accept his clarification. The only losing party is you who lose the one about whom whole world says he is good.